Service dog - how can I leave the engine running when I'm not in the car for longer than 20 minutes

[DaveL]

Just tried this on my 2021 Yukon Denali 6.2L - it didn't work. Nothing happened at all, no messages.

Thank you for trying it out.

 

[Seamus]

Just tried this on my 2021 Yukon Denali 6.2L - it didn't work. Nothing happened at all, no messages.

When you first hit the starter button.......hold it after it starts till the message appears. It take a bit. Dont hit the button and come off, stay on the button till it appears. It does not keep it running, it just gets you a longer timeout. The real fix is a TSB at the dealer at your expense. GM does have a fix for a full disable.

HMMMMM. I just went outside to check the amount of time for you. It didnt work! Mind you I have done this many times. Like 50 times in one month going cross country in a 2021 Suburban.
Maybe an over the air update got rid of it??? I'll report back with what i find

 

[DaveL]

Thanks for the reply. What does the TSB change?

 

[Seamus]

It disables the time out feature GM added. It will run till you run out of fuel. You sign a waiver and acknowledge you assume liability of disabling it. You also pay the dealer to do it, its not free.

 

[DaveL]

Thank you.

 

[Seamus]

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/09/heres-how-to-stop-a-gm-vehicle-from-shutting-off-engine-when-parked/

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10214233-9999.pdf

 

[DaveL]

It disables the time out feature GM added. It will run till you run out of fuel. You sign a waiver and acknowledge you assume liability of disabling it. You also pay the dealer to do it, its not free.

Follow up question for you, do you know if that service bulletin also applies to the Traverse/Acadia? I'm also looking at the 2024 Acadia.

 

[Seamus]

I believe this came up with the new 2020 globl B architecture and these TSBs came out regarding. This one is for the pickups. The Police package does not have this feature. I had a 2021 suburban and have a 2021 Sierra which do time out. Which is why I looked into this. The newer trucks may not have this feature?? Many had an issue with it which is why they came out with a fix. I would inquire at service department.
That new Arcadia looked very nice till I saw it only came with a 4 cylinder. GM and a new 4 cyl is a dealbreaker.

 

[Badge]

If you’ve exhausted factory options, here’s something that would work. This is a costly option but I have an older Yukon Denali XL that has 3G service (OnStar therefore stopped) so I upgraded the remote start to the Compustar Drone mobile App. Of course, you can start it from anywhere via phone and program how long it runs. Mine is set to 45 min and you can restart it as many times as desired. The fob also tells you the battery voltage and temp inside the vehicle. My use is to warm it up for the wife before loading after Mayo trips, etc. so similar use to your scenario. Of course, it’s not the best for fuel consumption or engine exhaust idling forever, but it’s about priorities. You can also keep the car running if you push “remote start” while the key is still installed and vehicle running. This lets you remove the fob to take with you but keeps the wife (or dog) warm in a running vehicle.

 

[tenthirty2]

I have driven many police and fire department vehicles that have engine idlers installed. Check your area for a local squad car upfitter and they can get you a cost on installing one. They shut the car off if you step on the brake and there is no “key” detected. Not sure how reasonable the cost is but if it were me I would have a professional install it to ensure it was done correctly. Your other option, which maybe considerably more expensive, is to install a k9 system like they have for police K-9s. These systems monitor temps inside the vehicle and take an action based on the temp. An idler is probably the least expensive option. Contact a local upfitter and they can give you some options.
Good luck

 

[Gak9sar5]

I want to buy a 2022 Yukon or Tahoe.
I have a service dog and sometimes I need to leave the dog in the car whilel I'm at an appointment.
I have been looking all over the place for an answer including calling GM. GM said "in order to protect the environment, it is not possible to have the vehicle idle for more that 20 minutes and we do not support leaving an animal in the car". I think I was being read something a lawyer wrote.

The question is, can I change any settings in the conmputer to leave it running without it turning off?

Ford has forscan and I know the F150 can be updated to turn on something called secure idle. I was also told that through the interface, you can update the remote start idle time to be zero so it won't turn off.

Any help would be appreciated. I'm now looking at an Expedition or a Navigator but I would really prefer a Yukon or Tahoe.

You have a button on command that cuts that detail off so it can idle more than 20 minutes. Thanks California for pushing shit on all of us!

 

[hoeguudr]

In another post, I found this - https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/0...vehicle-from-shutting-off-engine-when-parked/
I'll be researching that.

Hopefully that option will work for you or what @tenthirty2 recommended.

If not, I was going to recommend looking at some of aftermarket products, like Viper. https://www.viper.com/

Good luck!

 

[ZKWBQD]

Just hold down the start/stop engine button when you start the car until you see the message saying "auto shutdown disabled."

That procedure does NOT work on my Tahoe. You could buy Toyota, they don't have this bug.

 

[DaveL]

That procedure does NOT work on my Tahoe. You could buy Toyota, they don't have this bug.

Thank you for testing it, I read above that it requires a service bulletin to be completed before it works. I have been thinking about it and researching a used Duramax Tahoe versus waiting for a 2025 with the new Duramax.
Right now, I am thinking about waiting but 2025's are 10 months away at least and then I'll be hoping that there are no surcharges from the dealerships.

 

[NELLY1947]

In another post, I found this - https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/0...vehicle-from-shutting-off-engine-when-parked/
I'll be researching that.

When you push the button to start your unit keep holding the button until you get the message on the dash that it won't shut down.

 

[RIZE_UP]

@DaveL
Install the autostart stop eliminator. autostop eliminator
My suburban will run till I turn off or runs out fuel I guess. It has idled for hours no issues. I can verify it has done 6 hours idle no issues.
I have the chevy keypad on my door, so I can lock and unlock and many other features while the truck is running and the key stays in my pocket.
Keypad post2

 

[DaveL]

@DaveL
Install the autostart stop eliminator. autostop eliminator
My suburban will run till I turn off or runs out fuel I guess. It has idled for hours no issues. I can verify it has done 6 hours idle no issues.
I have the chevy keypad on my door, so I can lock and unlock and many other features while the truck is running and the key stays in my pocket.
Keypad post2

Thank you. I didn't know that Chevy had the keypad option. I will look into it.
I was considering the 2024 Chevy Traverse or 2024 GMC Acadia. The engine scares me and it is March and the car is no where to be seen.
I'll wait for the 2025 Chevy Tahoe with the newer Duramax. Same MPG and I think a much nicer/bigger vehicle.

 

[TahoeTroubles]

I want to buy a 2022 Yukon or Tahoe.
I have a service dog and sometimes I need to leave the dog in the car whilel I'm at an appointment.
I have been looking all over the place for an answer including calling GM. GM said "in order to protect the environment, it is not possible to have the vehicle idle for more that 20 minutes and we do not support leaving an animal in the car". I think I was being read something a lawyer wrote.

The question is, can I change any settings in the conmputer to leave it running without it turning off?

Ford has forscan and I know the F150 can be updated to turn on something called secure idle. I was also told that through the interface, you can update the remote start idle time to be zero so it won't turn off.

Any help would be appreciated. I'm now looking at an Expedition or a Navigator but I would really prefer a Yukon or Tahoe.

Great question…I bought remote start but haven’t had it installed. You maybe able to find someone to modify the remote start kit but if the vehicle won’t allow it I’m not sure how to answer your question. How do you transport your canine safely? I have a new service dog and he’s not rly still or calm on rides thanks!

 

[TahoeTroubles]

I spend a lot of time at the hospital, sometimes (like when I'm getting a MRI or PetScan), I don't take the dog in with me.
Everywhere else, she goes with me.

Have u ever had to hand off ur dog or place them outside the scanning room instead? Thx

 

[TahoeTroubles]

This happens all the time with service dogs, like your supposed to educate people who are ignorant to what they do and what they are for. Many seem to think they are only seeing eye dogs so how can you be without your seeing eye dog?? Just ignorance and opinionated idiots. Yes its truly a service dog that is trained. Yes you love him and dont need to torture him with poor environments when not truly needed for a little bit. Some of the animosity comes from scammers with emotional support animals brought onto planes torturing people for no good reason. Emotional support dogs are usually a scam and I agree. Service dogs are heroes and well trained.

My brother in-laws service dog detects his low sugar. If he is with his wife (my sister) they dont always bring the dog into a crazy, loud, crowded restaurant just because they can. My sister is checking and with him. BTW people hate seeing a dog in a restaurant, so many with service dogs when not needed 100% leave them in the car running just like K9 officers do.

There are alarms if car shuts off available, temp sensors ect. Personally my car and dog are never out of my sightline when we run in for a quick bite. My dog and truck are never out of my sightline as i am too concerned with theft of my truck and dog.
But when I get gas at a rest stop and run in to urinate....I dont feel compelled to have my beautiful dog lay or sit on a piss floor...its just unnecessary for my condition.

Its a big hassle with ignorant idiots at many places with the I am scared of dogs, that dog shouldnt be in here, its unsanitary, I am allergic to dogs, Im calling the Police I dont believe thats a service dog!!!! So there are many reasons if you can to leave your dog for a short bit. Even 100% legit and legal with federal laws ADA, it can be a hassle....and it shouldnt be. Its a federal law.

But I will agree much is from the "emotional" support scam dogs, barking, lunging, and untrained that people think of............


Back to the how do you bypass the shutoff regardless of the reason??.....

Rt on…I’m new to owing my service dog and idl to leave him but my condition has ramifications that it’s not always best to have him on a “pissy bathroom floor.”