Rear-end swap: 8.6" 10 bolt w/3.08 >> 9.5" 14 bolt w/3.42 + 3.42 swap in 8.25" front (or else)

[5StarCustmSolutns]

Got it, think you're right

In a perfect world I would be after 9.25" or bust for front, but I'm buying one of the Torsen helical carriers(Eaton or Powertrax) today and they're $200 more for 9.5 than 8.5.... The saved $$ on 8.25 helps offset that...in my mind anyway lol

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

Well, 340+mi round trip to learn: The sales staff at Bessler Auto Parts will sell you absolutely anything you can articulate in an understandable manner.. Also learned: Whether Bessler actually, physically has said item or not, and how that may or may not inconvenience you is completely irrelevant to the sales and management(or lack there of) staff at Bessler. And as a bonus learned: Bessler actually, physically has NONE (ZERO) of the dozen or so 14 bolt 9.5" rear ends they list as available for sale on car-part.com....

That's approx 480mi in two days with ZERO 14 bolt sightings. Fool me twice....

I feel like this thread is turning more towards a daytime soap than something a person might gleen some helpful info from someday in the future? May ask admin to change thread title to: As the Salvage Yard Turns (pretty sure that's my first ever "if you're under 35 you may not get it" humor attempt)

I need to ask a really beginner question to be this far into this:

Is there such a thing as a 10-bolt GM rear axle assembly that came with a 9.5" ring gear, w/spring perches, that bolts up to a GMT920, 930, or 940??

EDIT** fool me twice is fool me twice but Corey the doucher that sold me the axle Thur assured me they had multiple candidates onsite(bc you can't just call there yourself for some Fn reason) and he didn't email my receipt on Thurs like he said he would.....by time I checked they were closed. I called soon as they opened yesterday morning and Corey was off but Casey emailed me receipt immediately and I bolted because my ride was sitting outside waiting on me.....I didn't even think to check VIN until I got home. VIN comes up as 2012, receipt says axle from 2008.....I could type 5000 words and not cover what all happened yesterday, but I don't do drama. That $hit is in rearview mirror. Trusted mom and pop parts dude Thurs, and Giant mega salvage place Fri and they showed how much they have in common....neither pays any attention to detail whatsoever, nor do they care about anything but themselves and more importantly....money

another really entry level question:

Is there any GMT900 Truck axle that I can weld spring perches and shock shackles accordingly on??

 

[Foggy]

Not that I know of avail... When I looked for my rear diff I specifically researched the
exact model it came from... Because the salvage guys just know "it fits"
Don't care if it's the 8.6" rear or the actual 9.5" that I really want...
Anyway, I haven't installed mine yet... I do own all the new parts to make my
8.6" stock awd differential "strong".. But those parts are still hanging in a box... still..
So at some point I;ll either use the $700 worth of 8.6" parts to beef up my stock rear or
install my new to me 9.5" 14 bolt

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

Not that I know of avail... When I looked for my rear diff I specifically researched the
exact model it came from... Because the salvage guys just know "it fits"
Don't care if it's the 8.6" rear or the actual 9.5" that I really want...
Anyway, I haven't installed mine yet... I do own all the new parts to make my
8.6" stock awd differential "strong".. But those parts are still hanging in a box... still..
So at some point I;ll either use the $700 worth of 8.6" parts to beef up my stock rear or
install my new to me 9.5" 14 bolt

I was pretty sure it didn't exist, but two days in a row at two diff yards in two diff states these places were trying tell me that the 10 bolt I was looking at had a 9.5" ring gear in it... Both were like "but it's a GU6 9.5, what does the number of bolts on cover have to do with that?" After about 30min and 2 different fake managers calling me to ask what my VIN was, and telling me that their system showed that axle was a direct bolt up, I looked at my buddy and said "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! I mean wtf is going on here? Are you hungry yet? If you'll take me away from here immediately I'll buy your lunch" and we rolled out...

I read a couple days ago that, either the 9.5 or 9.25 IFS, was 67% stronger than what's inside the 10 bolt front rear? Also found a graph using a cubical equation that was figuring axle strength in based on # of splines. Not sure how solid those two articles are but there could be some validity....

edit: Heres cubical equation piece:

Axle Strength Ranked by Spline Count

Billet? Cast? Forged? Common connecting rod and crankshaft construction methods explored.

www.victorylibrary.com

I've thought all day about just beefing up 8.6... But I feel like that would be letting them win at this point? Plus for what I do it just makes more sense to go 9.5... It is nice that you have the option though

 

[swathdiver]

LKQ shows you the donor vehicle and VIN and photo of plate on door. They have plenty improperly listed so you have to dig.

The VIN on that 2008 is from a 2012 AWD as you mentioned and of course it will have an 8.6 axle.

The 6.2 GMC 1500 Pickups in our generation are also equipped with the 9.5" semi-floater but of course are set up for leaf springs. They come with 3.42 or 3.73 gears. The 2007-2009 6.0 Vortec Max 1500s also ran this same axle and some of those might have 4.10 gears (2007-2008). All of them will show RPO AXN on their build sheet. VIN number for the engines are either 2 or Y. Extended Cab or Crew Cab only. Unfortunately, they are much more expensive, around $1K and there are 3 on LKQ right now, 2 in Houston and 1 in New Mexico.

Savannah, Georgia and Trafford and Montgomery, Alabama are the closest ones I see to West Virginia for SUV axles that will bolt right up to yours.

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

LKQ shows you the donor vehicle and VIN and photo of plate on door. They have plenty improperly listed so you have to dig.

The VIN on that 2008 is from a 2012 AWD as you mentioned and of course it will have an 8.6 axle.

The 6.2 GMC 1500 Pickups in our generation are also equipped with the 9.5" semi-floater but of course are set up for leaf springs. They come with 3.42 or 3.73 gears. The 2007-2009 6.0 Vortec Max 1500s also ran this same axle and some of those might have 4.10 gears (2007-2008). All of them will show RPO AXN on their build sheet. VIN number for the engines are either 2 or Y

Thanks for the info on the leaf spring options! At the end of this thread, assuming I make it there, I'd like to put together a master list of all direct bolt up axle options for '07-'14 GM full-size SUV/SUT. I think it would shorten the learning curve for anyone who wants to do this. A little surprised I haven't come across one yet?

I haven't been able to find an RPO list with AXN on it? Is it an actual RPO code or an Option code or Axle ID Stamp maybe? Just curious what it says/distinguishes? I thought it signified a 14 bolt 9.5 rear-end out of 2wd? but I also first saw the inside of a diff 3wks ago lol

This all the AX_ that are on the best list I have? It "says" Master List at the top but who knows? 188 pages

AX0 855 P PAR R PARTITION TUBULAR FRAME, DRIVER 990910 E B E A
AX1 856 P PAR R PARTITION MESH TYPE, W/WINDOW 980901 E 8 E A
AX2 857 P SPK M KEY COMMON, VEHICULAR UNIQUE 840417 E E E A
AX3 858 P LCE R LOCK CONTROL, ENTRY REMOTE ENTRY - DEALER ACTIVATED 11010 E Z E A
AX4 859 P RESTRAINT CONVERSION SEAT, MAN, EUROPEAN 900419 E E E A
AX5 860 P PAR R PARTITION MESH, DRIVER 980421 E 0 E A
AX6 861 P PAR R PARTITION SOLID TYPE 980423 E 0 E A
AX7 862 P PAR R PARTITION EXPANDED METAL, W/CTR SLIDING DOOR 970715 E 1 E A
AX8 863 P PAR R PARTITION MESH, DRIVER & PASS 980421 E 0 E A
AX9 864 P PAR R PARTITION SOLID TYPE, W/WINDOW 980624 E 0 E A
AXP 844 P VIN IDENT POSITION, MULTI-PURPOSE VEHICLE 890110 P T T A
AXQ 845 P VIN IDENT POSITION, BUS 890110 P T T A
AXR 846 C VIN IDENT EXPORT SPECIAL 951006 E T T A
AXV 850 P GBS R WINDOW SIDE BODY SLIDING

edit: check that I finally found proof RPO code AXN exists, in shop manual for 2011 3500
REAR AXLE
1000 Series without RPO AXN (8.6") .............................................................................................................................................. 2.03 liters (2.15 quarts)
1000 Series with RPO AXN (9.5"LD) ................................................................................................................................................ 2.6 liters (2.75 quarts)
2000 Series (9.5"HD)


Earlier today I closed some(like 12) tabs and started a fresh search for any and all things related to this, and there were only 2 links in the first 4 pages that I hadn't already visited, maybe 10 links through first 8 pages...
Today was 23rd straight day I've been at this. At first it was like cramming for a test, and I was a little hesitant to ask questions until I had a better grasp of what I was asking about. Felt a lot like this
I really appreciate all the guidance and sharing of knowledge. Call it karma, call it the golden rule, call it whatever you want; it's fact of life....when it goes around....it comes back around.

Proverbs 1:2-7

 

[swathdiver]

Yeah, that shop manual is in error too, the 8.6 is a 10-bolt axle and gets no special RPO code and certainly not AXN.

Myself and others have posted which trucks came with them from time to time over the years, buried in posts about gear changes, axles, etc.

The world would be a better place if each man and his family would hide the book of Proverbs in his heart!

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

HA! It's almost like they don't want you working on your own late model vehicles?

I've got a master list of possible donor vehicles started now; and when/if I survive this battle along with the battle I'm in remodeling our kitchen. I'll go back, find others and post consolidated list

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

So I think I've finally found the description for the ever elusive RPO Code: AXN

[ this is straight from a manager for GM. If anyone disagrees or knows different please educate us all ]


So it most definitely distinguishes the larger housing needed to fit the larger 9.5" ring gear and carrier. The 6 lug (let's call it a 2/3rd ton) 1000 series Rear Axle that uses the 9.5" ring gear. However, it distinguishes it in a way I would'nt have ever guessed.

RPO AXN = 2.75qt capacity/rear differential


8.6" 1000 series = 2.15qt (w/o RPO AXN)

* 9.5" 1000 series = 2.75qt (RPO AXN) - 6 lug

* 9.5" 2000 series = 2.75qt also (no RPO listed) - 8 lug

* 10.5" 2000 series = 2.75qt (RPO LY6) - 8 lug

* 11.5" 2000 series = 3.17qt (RPO LMM) - 8 lug


* = 14 bolt housing

 

[swathdiver]

This is the GM RPO description sent to us for both pickups:

AXN = IDENTIFICATION 9.5" LIGHT DUTY BEAM

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

This is the GM RPO description sent to us for both pickups:

AXN = IDENTIFICATION 9.5" LIGHT DUTY BEAM

10-4 that's a copy!

The info I got came from a Parts Dept perspective. I shouldn't have used the "=" symbol. Let my excitement get the better of me. What I got wasn't a description of the RPO. It was what that RPO indicates to the Parts Dept's now, in '23. Dude said it was the only thing that came up for AXN

Yesterday my better half reminded me about the guy. We met at some event she drug me to a couple years ago, works for GM Parts in some capacity.

Sent him a picture of RPO sticker from the '11 Yukon in Savannah, Ga on LKQ. Was in process of sending him another text explaining that it wasn't my VIN, but rather one w/
RPO: AXN.....and he replied: "fluid recommendation, 2.75qts, Rear Axle"

Then at virtually the same time we text each other something along the lines of: the 8.6" takes much less, so 2.75qt would lead one to think it's a bigger housing? i.e. 14 bolt SF?

The only reason I'm even digging into this is because ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET THESE SALVAGE YARDS TO SEND A PHOTO OF THE AXLE ASSEMBLY......and Im trying to find a way I can verify it is what they say it is before I drive another 3hrs -or worse wait 3 days for one to be shipped here and have a 10 bolt 342 show up

Does anyone know if there's a specific option or combination of options that can be revealed in a VIN decode that indicate vehicle has a 14 bolt? I've printed VIN decode for about 10 diff vehicles and compared and haven't yet recognized one(mostly because I don't know what is physically under the vehicle that belongs to each VIN) Something like 4x2, 6.2L, 3.42 ratio??

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

Not sure why I didn't just ask this from the start? Being stubbornly independent is good and terrible at same time. But it occured to me today that I'm on a timeclock, Ive got a commitment to house three volunteer Gold Star Families for a Wounded Warrior Ski/Snowboard event coming up weekend after next at our cabin.....and being my first time, it's going to take a day or three+ to re-gear/rebuild my axle and put front/rear-ends back together


**Would anyone be willing to share the knowledge of:

How to tell if a vehicle has a 14 bolt rear assembly w/ 9.5" ring gear by VIN decode? By RPO combination? by GVWR? or any way other than having someone be physically at the vehicle to count the bolts?

I simply don't trust the online salvage listings after dealing with them for the last 10-12 days... ex: There are four listings on LKQ that have a photo of an RPO code sticker showing AXN that is, allegedly, from the donor vehicle. Three of them have clearly been tampered with in some form or another. The other is 2300 miles away

 

[swathdiver]

Check our PM from Monday night, I listed the trucks closest to you with 9.5" axles by their VIN. Yes, you can tell by the VIN which axle the truck originally came with.

"No Avalanche or 2012 Tahoe is going to have that axle. The Slippery Rock Denali is an AWD truck so it will have an 8.6 too.

Savannah, GA and Montgomery, AL are legit. So are the Trafford, Alabama ones. The 4 in Florida are legit too. The one in Philadelphia is correct also."​

It would take me a couple hours to put to paper the VIN sequences to scan for. Will see if I can do it later when everyone's asleep.

 

[Geotrash]

Check our PM from Monday night, I listed the trucks closest to you with 9.5" axles by their VIN. Yes, you can tell by the VIN which axle the truck originally came with.

"No Avalanche or 2012 Tahoe is going to have that axle. The Slippery Rock Denali is an AWD truck so it will have an 8.6 too.

Savannah, GA and Montgomery, AL are legit. So are the Trafford, Alabama ones. The 4 in Florida are legit too. The one in Philadelphia is correct also."​

It would take me a couple hours to put to paper the VIN sequences to scan for. Will see if I can do it later when everyone's asleep.

Last I looked there were a few in the Richmond area too.

 

[swathdiver]

Last I looked there were a few in the Richmond area too.

LKQ or?

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

Last I looked there were a few in the Richmond area too.

LKQ or?

Thanks guys for the responses.. I really will be up against it here before I blink.. But, God willing, I'll survive and be better from it

James, Instead of just asking how you came about those LKQ's being 14 bolts, I was trying to play Sherlock Holmes and examine the listed info & pictures for patterns so I might be able to expedite going through listings on other sites...

There were a few things I caught that didn't make sense to me, which again, I should've just asked about instead of trying to find out on my own... The one in Philly- is one with a tampered RPO sticker & has AWD under source vehicle tab [which could be misprint] ; noticed that the (only) 1 (left) in Trafford & both Lake City's- have lower GVWR than my truck [which to me seemed wrong for a supposed stronger axle] ; Savannah- one of the tampered RPO sticker photos [which could mean nothing also] ; Montgomery- pics covered in dust and couldn't read [ ? ] ; 1 Crystal River- no pics at all & the other Crystal River has no RPO or GVWR sticker pics [ ? ]... But all of those (except Philly) are listed 4x2 or RWD and 6.2 or 6.0. However, none are really in driveable range.....and the concern of 3 day wait to possibly receive a 10 bolt along with the fight over who pays for the return shipping, finding another candidate, starting 3 day clock again, etc... is something I really didn't want to get into.

So please forgive me, I wasn't doubting you just trying to figure out as much as possible on my own the last few days w/o annoying you. This is as confusing as all get out anyway, combine that with getting burned twice last week and playing twister to navigate my kitchen contents in my house right now and Feb has been a blurrr lol.

You don't need to take hours to put all that down for my sake. I had no idea it was that intricate! Thought I may be able decoder VIN's and look for certain option combos to eliminate 10 bolts, instead of having to talk to junkyard dogs and shady salesman.

This is my issue and I'll get out of it. Like we talked about, it's in His hands and He'll guide me through it in a manner that teaches me something He needs me to learn in the process!

@Geotrash, VA has a BUNCH of listings on car-part.com -and- partshotlines.com. There's literally dozens, but I'm 3hrs from Blacksburg, just under 4hr from Roanoke, and 5:30 from Richmond(cousin played ball at VCU). We've always referred to our travels to the metro's around us in circular/clock terminology lol, as in if we're at the center of the ciock, Knoxville is to our to our 7 o'clock > Pittsburgh our 12 high > Charlotte our 5. DC and Philly are the longest day trips at 6hrs bc of winding routes around the most isolated part of the Appalachians. We can get to Myrtle quicker than VA Beach, which makes no sense.

Ever since the first couple days of my search, when I mentioned to you the couple of listings in Roanoke area (which turned out to be Rustburg and Bedford, even further), I decided to focus on on the closer stuff from 9 o'clock-12 (<3hrs) Lexington-2hr, Cincy/Dayton-3hr, Columbus-2.5hr, Akron/Canton-3hr, Pittsburgh-3hr and all in between; mainly because it's a difficult ask of someone to drive much further than that, spend 30min-60min onsite, then home. If it were just me -or- if these places were open on weekends it would be a non-issue. But most of my friends all had kids in the same 4yr stretch 5-9yrs ago and my step father has to stop at every rest area (funny but not funny)....plus I've taken him on two wild goose chases already.
I'm down to a handful of listings left in this quadrant and then it'll be the Roanoke area stuff --or- delivery and rent a 4x4 for Wounded Warrior event.

Thanks again guys, sorry for being long winded. Sat up at 3:30am wide awake, goin back down now for about 2 more hrs...

If you have a couple minutes check out the story my better half did on the WW event from Jan. She's a pro, a true ethical journalist, pushes everyday for stories like this -vs- the sensationalized drama and click bait garbage....(and yes, I know, I out-kicked my coverage) It's a good watch to check the ego and remind of what's important

vid will be at top right, give it a second to load & commercial

Wounded veterans enjoy ski vacation in West Virginia

DAVIS, WV (WOWK) – An organization that lifts up wounded veterans just finished a fun adventure on the slopes, but they are already planning for one where they go whitewater rafting in Septe…

www.wowktv.com

 

[swathdiver]

The one in Philly- is one with a tampered RPO sticker & has AWD under source vehicle tab [which could be misprint] ; noticed that the (only) 1 (left) in Trafford & both Lake City's- have lower GVWR than my truck [which to me seemed wrong for a supposed stronger axle] ; Savannah- one of the tampered RPO sticker photos [which could mean nothing also] ; Montgomery- pics covered in dust and couldn't read [ ? ] ; 1 Crystal River- no pics at all & the other Crystal River has no RPO or GVWR sticker pics [ ? ]... But all of those (except Philly) are listed 4x2 or RWD and 6.2 or 6.0. However, none are really in driveable range.....

Great article first of all, short and to the point!

GVWR will be less for RWD and less again for short wheelbase models compared with your Avy.

I took a look at that Philadelphia one again and that should not be. It should not be an AXN with AWD but I profess to not know everything. Unless the people sent me photos of it, I would cross it off the list. You think they photo shopped it? Took another look at the Savannah photos, looks legit to me?

 

[Geotrash]

LKQ or?

car-part.com lists the details of the donor vehicle for many of them - e.g. RWD Escalade or RWD Denali.

 

[Geotrash]

Thanks guys for the responses.. I really will be up against it here before I blink.. But, God willing, I'll survive and be better from it

James, Instead of just asking how you came about those LKQ's being 14 bolts, I was trying to play Sherlock Holmes and examine the listed info & pictures for patterns so I might be able to expedite going through listings on other sites...

There were a few things I caught that didn't make sense to me, which again, I should've just asked about instead of trying to find out on my own... The one in Philly- is one with a tampered RPO sticker & has AWD under source vehicle tab [which could be misprint] ; noticed that the (only) 1 (left) in Trafford & both Lake City's- have lower GVWR than my truck [which to me seemed wrong for a supposed stronger axle] ; Savannah- one of the tampered RPO sticker photos [which could mean nothing also] ; Montgomery- pics covered in dust and couldn't read [ ? ] ; 1 Crystal River- no pics at all & the other Crystal River has no RPO or GVWR sticker pics [ ? ]... But all of those (except Philly) are listed 4x2 or RWD and 6.2 or 6.0. However, none are really in driveable range.....and the concern of 3 day wait to possibly receive a 10 bolt along with the fight over who pays for the return shipping, finding another candidate, starting 3 day clock again, etc... is something I really didn't want to get into.

So please forgive me, I wasn't doubting you just trying to figure out as much as possible on my own the last few days w/o annoying you. This is as confusing as all get out anyway, combine that with getting burned twice last week and playing twister to navigate my kitchen contents in my house right now and Feb has been a blurrr lol.

You don't need to take hours to put all that down for my sake. I had no idea it was that intricate! Thought I may be able decoder VIN's and look for certain option combos to eliminate 10 bolts, instead of having to talk to junkyard dogs and shady salesman.

This is my issue and I'll get out of it. Like we talked about, it's in His hands and He'll guide me through it in a manner that teaches me something He needs me to learn in the process!

@Geotrash, VA has a BUNCH of listings on car-part.com -and- partshotlines.com. There's literally dozens, but I'm 3hrs from Blacksburg, just under 4hr from Roanoke, and 5:30 from Richmond(cousin played ball at VCU). We've always referred to our travels to the metro's around us in circular/clock terminology lol, as in if we're at the center of the ciock, Knoxville is to our to our 7 o'clock > Pittsburgh our 12 high > Charlotte our 5. DC and Philly are the longest day trips at 6hrs bc of winding routes around the most isolated part of the Appalachians. We can get to Myrtle quicker than VA Beach, which makes no sense.

Ever since the first couple days of my search, when I mentioned to you the couple of listings in Roanoke area (which turned out to be Rustburg and Bedford, even further), I decided to focus on on the closer stuff from 9 o'clock-12 (<3hrs) Lexington-2hr, Cincy/Dayton-3hr, Columbus-2.5hr, Akron/Canton-3hr, Pittsburgh-3hr and all in between; mainly because it's a difficult ask of someone to drive much further than that, spend 30min-60min onsite, then home. If it were just me -or- if these places were open on weekends it would be a non-issue. But most of my friends all had kids in the same 4yr stretch 5-9yrs ago and my step father has to stop at every rest area (funny but not funny)....plus I've taken him on two wild goose chases already.
I'm down to a handful of listings left in this quadrant and then it'll be the Roanoke area stuff --or- delivery and rent a 4x4 for Wounded Warrior event.

Thanks again guys, sorry for being long winded. Sat up at 3:30am wide awake, goin back down now for about 2 more hrs...

If you have a couple minutes check out the story my better half did on the WW event from Jan. She's a pro, a true ethical journalist, pushes everyday for stories like this -vs- the sensationalized drama and click bait garbage....(and yes, I know, I out-kicked my coverage) It's a good watch to check the ego and remind of what's important

vid will be at top right, give it a second to load & commercial

Wounded veterans enjoy ski vacation in West Virginia

DAVIS, WV (WOWK) – An organization that lifts up wounded veterans just finished a fun adventure on the slopes, but they are already planning for one where they go whitewater rafting in Septe…

www.wowktv.com

Not sure what the weekend holds yet but I can maybe get my on eyes on one close by for you if they're open Saturday. Bruce Auto Parts is close by and they list a bunch but don't say whether it's coming from a RWD or not. But, some of the pics clearly show that the vehicle doesn't have a front diff and they all have the RPO codes that show AXN. For example:

 

[5StarCustmSolutns]

Great article first of all, short and to the point!

GVWR will be less for RWD and less again for short wheelbase models compared with your Avy.

I took a look at that Philadelphia one again and that should not be. It should not be an AXN with AWD but I profess to not know everything. Unless the people sent me photos of it, I would cross it off the list. You think they photo shopped it? Took another look at the Savannah photos, looks legit to me?

LOL...by "short and to the point" are you making fun of my mid-nightime small novel? -or- What's written in the link to Amanda's story on the WW event? Did you watch the video?

I honestly had no idea if GVWR was one of the factors or not? Associative logic made me think it could be? I was thinking that a Light Duty 3/4 ton axle may raise the

GVWR? And I'm trying to come up with whatever I can to help me sort through these listings faster.

Me jotting down those things that caught my eye in the LKQ listings was in no way to challenge the validity of what you said. I was just looking at the listings and zooming in on the RPO's and GVWR's to see them better. I also have my guard up about the integrity of the online salvage listing world in general... that's all

No sir not photo shopped, possibly removed and replaced? not authentic to the original is what I was thinking.. See if you see what I'm seeing??



One of them is Arizona- looks to be fine, Rpo sticker looks to be in glove box and untounched


One of them is Philly - air bubbles throughout and bottom right corner looks to have creases where it has been loose


One of them is Savnnah - picked at on bottom right corner and air bubbles throughout


Also the two Yukons show RPO stickers in different locations. One is over paint, and the other in glove box or some other black background on a white vehicle

Idk what these mean but none of it does anything to instill confidence

#2 Philly