Project Carbon Next Gen 10 Speed Valve Body Kit - Finally Installed!

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I hear you...There is never a good time unfortunately... but a good window where you can do mindless peaceful work is key... Working under pressure has often got me in trouble. A few weeks ago, some pending preventative work, all I was supposed to do was swap out the old distributor on my truck when I had exactly 30 mins before some family commitments so I was working with a sense of urgency...I pull the distributor and the cap retaining clip fell inside the block and wedged itself somewhere my magnetic pickup tools or borescope could not find... after an hour of struggle I decided to drop the pan and retrieve the clip..... turned a 20 min job into a 3 hour job.. Fun !!
 

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I watched that interview with The Car Guy and the Next Gen engineer the other day which led me to this thread after researching the issue. Just when I thought I was done spending money on this truck, I find out about this and I’m now considering the upgrade. It’s either dump money into this truck to keep it long term or dump money on a new one that will have issues later. I have a 19 with the 10L80 but it seems the Next Gen Project Carbon kit is still the same aside from the manual shift linkage. I’ve read every word in this thread so far and following for more info.
 
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@Kobot,

Yea, the deal is you drop $80k+ then you need to start spending.

Understand that I used to rebuild transmissions on a small scale for my vehicles and friends and some customers. 3, 4 and 6 speeds. Have not done any for a while. The bulletproof one were the older GM TH400 and Ford C6. The STUPID valve body separator plate that is too thin for the pressure it needs to seal and the fact they have the stupid thin paper gasket and screens, this is just a BAD IDEA. All the transmission work I did over the years had thick steel separator plates with no gaskets and no problems. So I know this is something that will solve at least the internal valve body fluid leaks. Along with the upgraded shift valves these just higher quality parts that should last longer without as many problems.

Based on what I learned over the years and reading about all the transmission problems I determined it was wise of me to invest close to $2k in the transmission valve body. My expectation is it is not IF but WHEN.

While I have a 2024 which was not under the transmission Recall, I have read about a lot of 2024 and 2025 that also have the same problems. They are no different than the 2021-2023, they just were not built when the Recall was released. I expect the 2024-2025 to be Recalled, but GM is trying to cover the turd in the catbox by updating the TCM software to put the transmission in Limp mode (45 MPH max) if the trans applies 4 clutches at one time.

Then the fun starts. How far are you away from home? How far to the nearest dealer? How many family members are in the truck with you? Were you going on or returning from an event with luggage and gear? Were you towing something? How long to wait for a reman valve body? How long before the reman valve body have the same problems? Did the valve body put wear and tear on the clutch packs or torque converter due to low pressure, so do you really need a full transmission? How long are you in a sub compact rental car? When does GM quit reimbursing your for a rental?

Just too many questions and I do not want to wait more that an afternoon to have this problem resolved. The problem for me is my schedule is crazy for the next 7-10 days. I hope to jump on the project SOON.

I look at things this way. Some people buy a brand new truck, spend thousands on mods, wheels, tires, tint, lift, exhaust. I just want a reliable vehicle, something that does not leave me stranded or I am without for months on end. Granted at some point the valve body delay should decrease, but why should I even have to just sit back and WAIT FOR IT??

Will update once I get to the job. Yukon has 8,000 miles at this point, I need to get it done soon as the problems are worse when the fluid gets hotter and thinner, I have lived that nightmare on VW 6 Speed Tiptronics many years ago!
 
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Just a quick update, I have had too many family members visit and other obligations that has delayed me tackling the project. Hopefully next week, but I have more travel coming up soon as well.

At this point I am only really using the 2024 Yukon for trips, so it has been sitting for the past 2-3 weeks.

Another interesting update:

 
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More details on 10 speed problems. I do not expect this is the end of 10 speed problems and bulletins. I fully expect the 2024-2025 to be recalled like the earlier model. The only caveat is if GM was able to roll out the transmission software update to "Monitor" for impending rear wheel lock up fluid leaks. If GM was able to roll out the software updates in the 2024-2025 before a recall and even perform some over the air update, they may be trying to hide these problems. The issue is the software does not solve the hardware problems, it just tried to make the problems "Safer" by putting the TCM/Transmission in a "Limp" mode that does not allow you to drive over 45 MPH.

I have some doubt the GM OEM checkballs are actually the more durable Torlon or imidized plastic. Every source I checked shows them as standard non hardened white nylon check balls. Just for kicks I have ordered the replacement checkballs part number that is listed in the bulletin it will be easy to tell if these check balls are standard white non hardened nylon and I will also see what I end up taking out of my valve body as well. I already purchased the upgraded Torlon checkballs and have them here with all my parts as I was pretty sure GM only used the standard white nylon non hardened checkballs for the OE transmission builds. I will also verify the size if there is some confusion over the checkball sizing as well. All my sources indicated the checkballs are 1/4" or 0.250", this will be verified during the valve body upgrade.

Even on the Sonnax description for these check balls it clearly indicates these imidized check balls are "These imidized plastic checkballs are not available through the original manufacturer." See the statement at the end of the description for the Sonnax checkballs in link below

Sonnax Torlon or Imidized Checkballs

Link for the GM checkball and separator plate update for the 2024 model 1500 pickup trucks with the L84 5.3l and the LZO 3.0l Duramax. Unclear why this bulletin only covers the 2024 Silverado and Sierra 1500 pickups. I believe these pickups have the 10L80 transmission but the same valve body is in the 10L80 and 10L90, the 10L1000 or "Allison" 10 speed pretty much has the same basic valve body with the exception of the cable controlled shifter vs the electronic shifting as in the 10L80/10L90's. I am also pretty sure the 10L1000 "Allison" transmission is typically in the 3/4 ton and heavier duty trucks and does not support the Auto Stop/Start and have the additional electrical fluid pump like the 10L80/10L90's.

So it is just very interesting what is going on with the 2024 1500 pickups that is different than the other vehicles.

GM Check Ball and Separator Plate Update

 
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I ordered the GM check ball part number that was listed in the latest GM Bulletin N242483540.

Turns out this checkball listed in the GM Bulletin is just the standard 0.25" or 1/4" Nylon check ball, not the more robust Torlon check balls that are offered on by the aftermarket suppliers.

I had already decided to early on to obtain the Torlon check balls for my valve body upgrade, so I am probably already ahead of this issue. Maybe on the gasoline engine transmissions, the lower operating temperatures the standard Nylon checkballs may be adequate, but on the Diesel engine transmissions it seems the transmission temps tend to be consistently 40+F higher or more, typically 200F+. Towing and other factors may cause the transmission temp to operate higher?

While 200F+ may not be a big problem for Nylon, it is unclear if the fluid temps in the valve body where the checkballs are located is actually higher or much higher the displayed transmission fluid temperature.

It is possibly that the Nylon checkballs soften and degrade over time in the 200F+ temps.

From a search AI info:

"Nylon does not typically become super soft at 200°F (93°C). It will still maintain a relatively rigid structure, but it can become more flexible and potentially deform or shrink if subjected to this temperature for extended periods. The Vicat softening point of nylon can range from 140°F (60°C) to 482°F (250°C). While 200°F is within this range, it's closer to the lower end, meaning the nylon might still be quite rigid."

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I ordered the GM check ball part number that was listed in the latest GM Bulletin N242483540.

Turns out this checkball listed in the GM Bulletin is just the standard 0.25" or 1/4" Nylon check ball, not the more robust Torlon check balls that are offered on by the aftermarket suppliers.

I had already decided to early on to obtain the Torlon check balls for my valve body upgrade, so I am probably already ahead of this issue. Maybe on the gasoline engine transmissions, the lower operating temperatures the standard Nylon checkballs may be adequate, but on the Diesel engine transmissions it seems the transmission temps tend to be consistently 40+F higher or more, typically 200F+. Towing and other factors may cause the transmission temp to operate higher?

While 200F+ may not be a big problem for Nylon, it is unclear if the fluid temps in the valve body where the checkballs are located is actually higher or much higher the displayed transmission fluid temperature.

It is possibly that the Nylon checkballs soften and degrade over time in the 200F+ temps.

From a search AI info:

"Nylon does not typically become super soft at 200°F (93°C). It will still maintain a relatively rigid structure, but it can become more flexible and potentially deform or shrink if subjected to this temperature for extended periods. The Vicat softening point of nylon can range from 140°F (60°C) to 482°F (250°C). While 200°F is within this range, it's closer to the lower end, meaning the nylon might still be quite rigid."

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Where are you getting 200F+ on the diesel transmission temp? Mine runs in the upper 160's to low 170's when cruising on the highway and low 180's when towing a 5K travel trailer...
 
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It may be engine, location or option dependent, but I have been finding a number of folks commenting on other forums and in other documents I have found that the Diesel trans temps on a lot of these trucks are running pretty consistently around the 200F+ mark.

At least my 2024 GMC Yukon Denali XL tends to runs pretty consistently in the 140-150F range, I have caught it around 160-165F a few times after driving on the highway for hours then hitting an accident or construction that caused stop and go traffic for about 20 minutes. Have not towed with the vehicle yet. My Yukon has the Max Tow package, unclear if this will impact the trans temps, but I believe the radiator is larger, probably 1 core thicker than the non Max Tow package.

The first 10 speed recall for rear wheel lock up was only for the Diesels as well. I can say from many years of experience even before the ULV transmission fluids that any leakage problems within transmissions was ALWAYS way worse at higher trans temperatures because the fluid would thin out. So any leak was worse at higher temperatures/pressures.

Even the latest "Checkball" and "Separator Plate" recall includes the Diesel and the 5.3l for some reason. It was only for the 1500 series pickups and not any with the 6.2l.

There was also a Gen 1 and Gen 2 10 speed that had differences are mainly in the valve bodies that could possibly be a contributing factor as well.

I suspect as the 2023-2025 models get more mileage, we will start hearing about a lot more of these valve body related shift quality and wheel lock ups. Unclear why GM decided they needed a thin paper gasket on the valve body separator plate. Not sure if it is just on 1 side or both, I will find out when I pull my valve body. My guess is because the steel separator plate is stamped, they need the gasket on at least the sharp side or exit side of the stamping for better sealing. This is one of the reasons the Next Gen separator plate is superior, it is 14 gauges steel that is laser cut vs stamped which will deform the plate and cause rounded and sharp edges with elevated material on the exit side of the stamping. The laser cut plates will not stretch, deform or have the beveled and sharp edges.

I think the valve body transmission fluid pressure is in the 200-300 PSI range and the separator plate seal is really critical.

Anyway, I have no interest in becoming a member of the "Valve body of the month club"!
 
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Thanks for posting this TSB, I may recall seeing this, but it is getting tough to keep up with all the bulletins and GM seems to be playing "Whack A Mole" with a lot of their problems lately with miss steps and constantly updating the rules and/or the window for impacted vehicles.

It appears from the TSB for the 6 cylinder Duramax engine equipped vehicles they have a frame mounted Thermal Bypass where the gas engine transmissions have an internal valve body Thermal Bypass.

The NextGen kit I have directs you to remove the Thermal Bypass brass thermostatic element and flip the thermal bypass valve around which will cause full time coolant flow to the transmission. I plan on doing this. The brass thermostatic element is likely a failure point and I assume GM tried to get the fluid temperature up quickly for "Fuel Economy" reasons but this will probably come at a reliability hit to the transmission.
 
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I fully expect the 2024-2025 to be recalled like the earlier model. The only caveat is if GM was able to roll out the transmission software update to "Monitor" for impending rear wheel lock up fluid leaks.
According to documents linked below that GM submitted related to the two recalls for 10-speed lockups, the software monitoring “fix” was implemented in production at the start of MY 2021 for Cadillac CT6, start of MY 2022 for CT4/CT5/Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon/Escalade, mid MY 2022 for Silverado/Sierra, and start of MY 2023 for Camaro.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V797-1282.PDF

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2025/RCLRPT-25V148-9249.PDF
 
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Have read a few comments where the rear wheels locked up even with the "Updated TCM Software". Not sure how well GM could alter a software program to "Detect" a possible problem 10k miles before it could occur in a situation where you are dealing with random leaks and loss of pressure where these leaks are not part of the standard operation of the transmission. Unless GM has some sort of Fuzzy Logic/AI that can detect these non expected leaks/loss of pressure, I just cannot believe the software can accurately predict a problem. I would bet the seat of the pants could/would detect the problem sooner, but again so people are not well in tune to what their vehicle is doing.

GM is trying to solve/detect a unexpected and random hardware problem with updated software. I have little faith is this approach, especially if the valve body does not cause the rear wheels to lock, but internal leakage and low application pressures start to cause premature wear to the transmission clutches and torque converter etc. Maybe if GM monitors the clutch/converter application time, they could see something that falls outside of a nominal range. Leaks and pressure loss will just cause a slow degradation and accelerated wear within the transmission. AND IF AND ONLY IF the 2023-2025 models end up being added to the N242454441 Special Coverage, then once the powertrain warranty has expired, you are on the hook for the entire transmission repair. At least if the the 2023-2025 models are added to the Special Coverage bulletin, the valve body will be covered for longer, but if the transmission takes a beating due to internal leakage and low pressures, you are still on the hook for everything beyond the valve body.

Additionally the 2020-2022 truck and SUV models with the 10 speed had the valve body and ONLY the valve body warranty extended for 15 years/150,000 miles. I expect the 2023-2025 models to start having the same level of problems as these earlier models as the same basic problems with the valve bodies has not been improved upon. The Cadillac and Camero are having the same issues, pretty much same internal type of problems within the valve bodies.

2020-2022 Light Truck/SUV Special Coverage Bulletin

2019-2022 Cadillac and Camero Special Coverage Bulletin
 
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Still trying to get to the valve body job!! Too many family commitments, many I was unaware of until last minute, travel and other projects.

I did want to put an initial tool list up, I will need to update this once I tackle the job, but here are some of the tools that are required:

Inch Pound torque wrench, something that will go as low as 80-95 in/lbs. Likely a 1/4" drive type, I have one, will post an Amazon link for the tool once I get to a post valve body update as well as any other special or unusual tools.

8 mm socket for many of the valve body bolts.

T10 Torx for some of the longer valve body to transmission bolts. This may be transmission model specific??

E10 External Torx for the filter bolts and a few other miscellaneous valve body bolts. I think there may only be 4 of these E10 bolts, but again, will update once project is completed.

E12 External Torx socket also required on my valve body. Many of the bolts that hold the valve body together are E12 External Torx, so be prepared. These sets on Amazon have the proper E Torx sockets needed -


Higher quality set


Vaseline for gluing the checkballs in as needed.
 
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For something delicate like the bolts on the valve body or checking preload on a bearing, I've always used this


I also have this torque wrench that is very good for inch-lb needs, but can go as high as 36 ft lbs for rocker arms, intake bolts, and the like

 
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One could end up with quite a few torque wrenches if not careful!
Very true! I got one for everything. Some that I don’t trust but still use for less critical things…
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And even adapters to check the calibration , yes one can go overboard from paranoia.

Setup below is just using a lug bolt as a part of the calibration jig. For these lower range applications, the cheap horrid fate wrenches just don't give me 25ft lbs when I want 25 ft lbs.

I use a digital torque adapter that I trust to periodically check for calibration and find where something like 25 ft lbs truly is on my cheap torque wrenches.

Surprisingly the cheap wrenches are quite good, they seldom go bad. The ones that are OFF, stay OFF from day 1.

I still need a 1/4" torque wrench that can go to 25 ft lbs (300 in-lb).... there are applications where I need to check for 20-25 ft lbs where a 3/8" wrench won't fit.... but I'm not spending Snap-on or Matco money. Too cheap for that.

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Quick and partial update.

I finally had to send the family away for 3 weeks so I could get on this project!!! And now it is 95F!!

Well the ROYAL PITA is the exhaust MUST be dropped to get the trans pan out. The exhaust cross over "Y" pipe it only about 1" below the trans pan and there is NO WAY to get the trans pan out without dropping the exhaust from the manifolds. The "Y" pipe only need to be unbolted from the exhaust manifolds and dropped down about 2 inches, this is not a problem because there is a flexible exhaust section that allows the "Y" pipe to drop down. Just getting to the flange nuts and breaking them free is a PITA.

Depending on how old your vehicle is and what climate you operate in, removing the exhaust down pipe nuts could be a challenge. My vehicle is less than 1 year old and about 8700 miles on it. Nuts came off pretty easily, but a few were tight and I had to bounce/spring/jerk the ratchet on a few of the nuts to get the to initially bust loose. The 3 extensions flexed quite a bit, so I had to get the nuts to break free with some creativity. WD40 or penetrating oil is really needed because the studs are about 1 inch of exposed threads and the nuts will come off the studs much easier with some sort of lubricant.

This exhaust cross over really will make is a PITA for anyone to change the trans fluid on these trucks. I think the 3/4 ton or 2500 series have more space and the exhaust may not be an issue. The 2 wheel drive vehicles may have a different exhaust "Y" pipe configuration, I have not had to a chance to look at one. But the 4 wheel drive units are not going to be easy to drop the trans pan on the exhaust "Y" pipe needs to be fully unbolted from both exhaust manifolds. If you have an AT4 or a Z71/ZR2 with skid plates this may make it even more fun??

So what does that involve!!!

I have a set of Rhino Ramp MAX rated at 16,000 lbs. If you are dealing with plastic ramps, get the heavy duty versions, you only have 1 chance! Put the truck on on the ramps.

Word to the wise, TURN OFF the A/C before you start the vehicle and put it on the ramps, the A/C drain drips right along the drivers side of the trans and you will not want it dripping on you while under the vehicle. I would put the truck on the ramps the night before so you will have cold exhaust to work around.

Before you do anything, make sure you can get the transmission fill plug loose on the drivers side rear of the transmission. If you cannot fill the transmission after you drop the pan you are in trouble!

Transmission fill plug is 8mm hex. It is tight to the front driveshaft on 4 wheel drive models. You might be able to but a 8 mm box wrench on the front of a 3/8" drive 8 mm hex bit and avoid the tight space where the front driveshaft it. NOTE - Break the trans fill plug loose before you do ANYTHING else. If you cannot get the fill plug to break loose or strip it, you have a problem, so do not remove the trans pan until you get this part addressed. I had a 8 mm hex bit that necked down to 3/8" hex that was really short that I used one of my very long 3/8" box wrench on to break the fill plug loose, it was rather tight or firm to break free.

Fluid level - this is a highly loaded and contentious issue. With the front up on ramps but the driveway has a slight dip to the truck is closer to flat that fully elevated on the ramps. With the vehicle cold and the engine not running, once I broke the fill plug loose and partially remove it to see if fluid would come out with the engine not running, it did. So put the plug back in and started the engine. Made a dipstick out of a piece of white insulated 14 gauge Romex bend to verify the level with the engine running from cold start. Once engine RPM dropped, removed the fill plug with the engine running and no fluid came out. Put the "dipstick" I made up in and found the level was just at the drain plug, so this is how I am going to refill the transmission.

Not playing games with 175F fluid temperatures and cherry red exhaust "Y" pipe in close quarters, this is just asking for problems. I will fill the trans cold until it starts to drain out the fill, start the engine with the keyfob while I am under the car and then top the fluid level up until the it just starts to trickle out the fill plug, button it up and shift it through the gears and then let it cool off and check fluid again. Top of again if needed, then drive and fully warm up and get about 10-15 miles on the truck and bring it back, put it on the ramps and check the level again the following day once it has cooled off.

I will be removing the cooler thermostat from the valve body, but I cannot see that the cooler would drain if you are just changing the fluid and filter. Additionally I have yet to see my trans temp go above 165-168F so I have no idea if the cooler thermostat has ever opened anyway. The cooler may drain while the valve body is out, but I will be bypassing the cooler thermostat so this is a non issue anyway.

Remove the drivers side pre-cat O2 sensor! It is directly in line with one of the manifold studs and there is no way around the O2 sensor, it must be removed, not too bad, the wire lock and connector are probably more of a problem than O2 sensor removal if you have a O2 sensor socket. The O2 sensors are 7/8" but there is no way to get a box or open end wrench in there, just get the O2 sensor socket. You can usually rent/borrow the O2 sensor socket kit from local auto parts store.

Carefully removing the white locking tab from the O2 sensor connector and disconnecting the connector. This requires a few long narrow flat blade screw drivers and contorting to get the connector apart.

The slide the O2 sensor socket up over the sensor, I used the medium depth socket that had the 1/2" drive side connection. I have a longer flex head 1/2" torque wrench that allowed me to get in and pop the sensor loose, it was not too difficult to break free, much easier than the exhaust manifold nuts.

3 - 3/8" drive wobble extensions and a 15 mm deep socket. I have a Craftsman 3 piece wobble extension set that I purchased at Lowes a number of years ago. There are 3 different length extensions. I had to use all 3 for most exhaust nuts, I sometimes needed the short extension up against the socket in some of the more tricky areas.

I will update the thread with some pictures, a tool list and comment on any other fun things to deal with. I think the exhaust will be a bigger problem than dealing with the valve body at the end of the day.

If your vehicle is over 2 years old, I would order new exhaust downpipe nuts, 6 required and I would use a generous amount of anti-seize on the studs because to perform a transmission service the exhaust "Y" pipe will need to be dropped down on most models. I can see a lot of transmissions not getting services due to this exhaust clearance problem.

I am putting a PPE aftermarket aluminum pan with a drain plug so I can at least drain the transmission on a regular basis. This pan hold an addition 2.5 quarts of fluid as well.

What struck me at interesting it the trans pan does not hold a lot of fluid. The valve body and 2 fluid pumps take up so much real estate I do not think more than 3 quarts came out when I pulled the pan. I will try and get a better measurement, but it just did not seem like a lot of fluid comes out with a pan drop.

So back to the heat and to get the valve body pulled out. Probably will get the valve body out later today when it cools off a bit and tear into it tomorrow when I have not been baking in the heat fighting with the exhaust!

I think what I will find is for anyone that can drop the exhaust "Y" pipe should be able do do the valve body work. I think the valve body will be easy when compared to the exhaust nightmare.

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Quick and partial update.

I finally had to send the family away for 3 weeks so I could get on this project!!! And now it is 95F!!

Well the ROYAL PITA is the exhaust MUST be dropped to get the trans pan out. The exhaust cross over "Y" pipe it only about 1" below the trans pan and there is NO WAY to get the trans pan out without dropping the exhaust from the manifolds. The "Y" pipe only need to be unbolted from the exhaust manifolds and dropped down about 2 inches, this is not a problem because there is a flexible exhaust section that allows the "Y" pipe to drop down. Just getting to the flange nuts and breaking them free is a PITA.

Depending on how old your vehicle is and what climate you operate in, removing the exhaust down pipe nuts could be a challenge. My vehicle is less than 1 year old and about 8700 miles on it. Nuts came off pretty easily, but a few were tight and I had to bounce/spring/jerk the ratchet on a few of the nuts to get the to initially bust loose. The 3 extensions flexed quite a bit, so I had to get the nuts to break free with some creativity. WD40 or penetrating oil is really needed because the studs are about 1 inch of exposed threads and the nuts will come off the studs much easier with some sort of lubricant.

This exhaust cross over really will make is a PITA for anyone to change the trans fluid on these trucks. I think the 3/4 ton or 2500 series have more space and the exhaust may not be an issue. The 2 wheel drive vehicles may have a different exhaust "Y" pipe configuration, I have not had to a chance to look at one. But the 4 wheel drive units are not going to be easy to drop the trans pan on the exhaust "Y" pipe needs to be fully unbolted from both exhaust manifolds. If you have an AT4 or a Z71/ZR2 with skid plates this may make it even more fun??

So what does that involve!!!

I have a set of Rhino Ramp MAX rated at 16,000 lbs. If you are dealing with plastic ramps, get the heavy duty versions, you only have 1 chance! Put the truck on on the ramps.

Word to the wise, TURN OFF the A/C before you start the vehicle and put it on the ramps, the A/C drain drips right along the drivers side of the trans and you will not want it dripping on you while under the vehicle. I would put the truck on the ramps the night before so you will have cold exhaust to work around.

Before you do anything, make sure you can get the transmission fill plug loose on the drivers side rear of the transmission. If you cannot fill the transmission after you drop the pan you are in trouble!

Transmission fill plug is 8mm hex. It is tight to the front driveshaft on 4 wheel drive models. You might be able to but a 8 mm box wrench on the front of a 3/8" drive 8 mm hex bit and avoid the tight space where the front driveshaft it. NOTE - Break the trans fill plug loose before you do ANYTHING else. If you cannot get the fill plug to break loose or strip it, you have a problem, so do not remove the trans pan until you get this part addressed. I had a 8 mm hex bit that necked down to 3/8" hex that was really short that I used one of my very long 3/8" box wrench on to break the fill plug loose, it was rather tight or firm to break free.

Fluid level - this is a highly loaded and contentious issue. With the front up on ramps but the driveway has a slight dip to the truck is closer to flat that fully elevated on the ramps. With the vehicle cold and the engine not running, once I broke the fill plug loose and partially remove it to see if fluid would come out with the engine not running, it did. So put the plug back in and started the engine. Made a dipstick out of a piece of white insulated 14 gauge Romex bend to verify the level with the engine running from cold start. Once engine RPM dropped, removed the fill plug with the engine running and no fluid came out. Put the "dipstick" I made up in and found the level was just at the drain plug, so this is how I am going to refill the transmission.

Not playing games with 175F fluid temperatures and cherry red exhaust "Y" pipe in close quarters, this is just asking for problems. I will fill the trans cold until it starts to drain out the fill, start the engine with the keyfob while I am under the car and then top the fluid level up until the it just starts to trickle out the fill plug, button it up and shift it through the gears and then let it cool off and check fluid again. Top of again if needed, then drive and fully warm up and get about 10-15 miles on the truck and bring it back, put it on the ramps and check the level again the following day once it has cooled off.

I will be removing the cooler thermostat from the valve body, but I cannot see that the cooler would drain if you are just changing the fluid and filter. Additionally I have yet to see my trans temp go above 165-168F so I have no idea if the cooler thermostat has ever opened anyway. The cooler may drain while the valve body is out, but I will be bypassing the cooler thermostat so this is a non issue anyway.

Remove the drivers side pre-cat O2 sensor! It is directly in line with one of the manifold studs and there is no way around the O2 sensor, it must be removed, not too bad, the wire lock and connector are probably more of a problem than O2 sensor removal if you have a O2 sensor socket. The O2 sensors are 7/8" but there is no way to get a box or open end wrench in there, just get the O2 sensor socket. You can usually rent/borrow the O2 sensor socket kit from local auto parts store.

Carefully removing the white locking tab from the O2 sensor connector and disconnecting the connector. This requires a few long narrow flat blade screw drivers and contorting to get the connector apart.

The slide the O2 sensor socket up over the sensor, I used the medium depth socket that had the 1/2" drive side connection. I have a longer flex head 1/2" torque wrench that allowed me to get in and pop the sensor loose, it was not too difficult to break free, much easier than the exhaust manifold nuts.

3 - 3/8" drive wobble extensions and a 15 mm deep socket. I have a Craftsman 3 piece wobble extension set that I purchased at Lowes a number of years ago. There are 3 different length extensions. I had to use all 3 for most exhaust nuts, I sometimes needed the short extension up against the socket in some of the more tricky areas.

I will update the thread with some pictures, a tool list and comment on any other fun things to deal with. I think the exhaust will be a bigger problem than dealing with the valve body at the end of the day.

If your vehicle is over 2 years old, I would order new exhaust downpipe nuts, 6 required and I would use a generous amount of anti-seize on the studs because to perform a transmission service the exhaust "Y" pipe will need to be dropped down on most models. I can see a lot of transmissions not getting services due to this exhaust clearance problem.

I am putting a PPE aftermarket aluminum pan with a drain plug so I can at least drain the transmission on a regular basis. This pan hold an addition 2.5 quarts of fluid as well.

What struck me at interesting it the trans pan does not hold a lot of fluid. The valve body and 2 fluid pumps take up so much real estate I do not think more than 3 quarts came out when I pulled the pan. I will try and get a better measurement, but it just did not seem like a lot of fluid comes out with a pan drop.

So back to the heat and to get the valve body pulled out. Probably will get the valve body out later today when it cools off a bit and tear into it tomorrow when I have not been baking in the heat fighting with the exhaust!

I think what I will find is for anyone that can drop the exhaust "Y" pipe should be able do do the valve body work. I think the valve body will be easy when compared to the exhaust nightmare.

More to follow.
Makes me appreciate my diesel all the more. Exhaust runs down the passenger side and the pan is free and clear to be dropped without removing anything else.
 

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