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[DuraYuk]

I know a bunch of tree huggers that would tend to disagree and will tie you up in court for decades.
also what about resources? you know the materials needed to make all these "green" things, seems to be limited and the law of supply and demand kicks in, case in point GM just raised the the price of there ev's "again" citing price increases.

Whats your point? You want renewable infinite energy ? Or do you want to rely on a finite resource that is also controlled by many unfavorable people?

It is simple.

 

[Doubeleive]

Whats your point? You want renewable infinite energy ? Or do you want to rely on a finite resource that is also controlled by many unfavorable people?

It is simple.

the point is it's a sham and currently a money grab at best, yes electric will be useful for some but it won't be as most envision it and we won't be able to go "full electric" for a very very long time, certainly not 10 in years.
hell it takes them years just to widen a section of highway which should take a fraction of that time
to many rules and regulations, no power infrastructure to support it solar and wind is not going to do it, not enough material resources to support it, not enough chips, not enough people willing to work to build what we need to make it happen.

 

[DuraYuk]

the point is it's a sham and currently a money grab at best, yes electric will be useful for some but it won't be as most envision it and we won't be able to go "full electric" for a very very long time, certainly not 10 in years.
hell it takes them years just to widen a section of highway which should take a fraction of that time
to many rules and regulations, no power infrastructure to support it solar and wind is not going to do it, not enough material resources to support it, not enough chips, not enough people willing to work to build what we need to make it happen.

Progress and tech scares people. Tale as old as time lol.

 

[Doubeleive]

Progress and tech scares people. Tale as old as time lol.

I don't think it is scary, i do think it's just going to take a lot more effort on behalf of big gov and business than most people realize
looks good on paper and all, but making it happen is a different story
most people around here are not driving new cars they can't afford them and they certainly are not going to be able to go out buy a new electric car, most cars around here are probably 10-20 years old and I live in a good area, the median income for Stockton is $27k that's barely above the poverty line.

 

[DuraYuk]

I don't think it is scary, i do think it's just going to take a lot more effort on behalf of big gov and business than most people realize
looks good on paper and all, but making it happen is a different story
most people around here are not driving new cars they can't afford them and they certainly are not going to be able to go out buy a new electric car, most cars around here are probably 10-20 years old and I live in a good area, the median income for Stockton is $27k that's barely above the poverty line.

The shift is happening. They won't outlaw gas right off the bat. So disadvantaged people will have means of transport.

The effort is being made and it is happening..no manufacturer is developing new ice engines. Everything is either ev or another high efficiency system like hydrogen combustion.

EV is winning because scaling up the infrastructure is easy comparatively.

 

[Banks22]

all of those are presuming a commercial fast charger is available, those cost 10-20k to install and many gas stations are lucky if they even have room for one
one day in the not too distant future you are going to have a bunch of electric cars and not enough chargers to go around.

A level 3 fast charger costs $40-50k to have installed.

 

[Brand0n]

Upgrading a transmission system is far from easy and neither is forecasting where the increased demand will be on the grid due to unknown consumer preferences at this point. As previously mentioned many RTOs (regional transmission operators) are struggling to meet demand today and “renewables” are only making that problem worse by driving out traditional base load plants and replacing them with unpredictable “renewables.” Some models (based on many assumptions) predict demand will double in some regions if a mass migration to EV takes place.

Battery technology can only ‘advance’ as far as physics allows it to.

With that said, if there was an EV Tahoe with 500+ mile range in all seasons I would have likely gone that route…

 

[Banks22]

The shift is happening. They won't outlaw gas right off the bat. So disadvantaged people will have means of transport.

The effort is being made and it is happening..no manufacturer is developing new ice engines. Everything is either ev or another high efficiency system like hydrogen combustion.

EV is winning because scaling up the infrastructure is easy comparatively.

EV is not winning, are you not seeing real world reviews? They take 12-24 hours to charge on a level 2 at home charger, they can’t tow more than 60 miles, the battery life drops in half when under 40 degrees. They’ve got a long way to go before they are as convenient as gas cars and can be used on a mass population scale.

 

[DuraYuk]

EV is not winning, are you not seeing real world reviews? They take 12-24 hours to charge on a level 2 at home charger, they can’t tow more than 60 miles, the battery life drops in half when under 40 degrees. They’ve got a long way to go before they are as convenient as gas cars and can be used on a mass population scale.

Yes I have. I have owned Teslas and other Evs. Believe what you want.

No manufacturer is currently developing next gen ice engines. So yes EV is winning along with other high efficiency drive units like hydrogen combustion , diesel, hybrids etc.

The f150 lightening can't tow more then 60 miles? Battery life drops in half under 40degrees?

Yeah im gonna leave it at that. I cant fight all the misinformation myself lol.

Best EV for Winter & Cold Weather Range

All vehicles lose efficiency and range in very cold weather. Electric cars are no different. The good news, however, is that this range loss is temporary and not as limiting as many people may think.

www.recurrentauto.com

Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test

We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

www.motortrend.com

 

[NYisles1]

EV is not winning, are you not seeing real world reviews? They take 12-24 hours to charge on a level 2 at home charger, they can’t tow more than 60 miles, the battery life drops in half when under 40 degrees. They’ve got a long way to go before they are as convenient as gas cars and can be used on a mass population scale.

Where did you get those stats? You're 0 for 3

 

[Chad G 1979]

My coworker has a hybrid and has to plug in after work dauly and its on the charger til he leaves for work next morning otherwise battery wont make it. 20 miles 1 way to work. Batteries have never liked cold weather, even your standard alkaline ones. Same coworker says his battery life drops nearly double in winter during cold weather vs warm weather. Youtube videos show trucks of same brand/ model with 1 having a gasser and the other battery. Range in batt truck is 250 miles but when they tow the exact trailer, the batt truck uses 1% batt life per mile on road vs gasser still having half a tank of gas. So not sure banks is 0 for 3. Real world experiences have shown evs are not ready for primetime. Have decades yet til they are(if we dont run out of resources to make batteries with first, as lithium is a fairly rare material and most is in China). Everyone believes their own opinion and this thread wont change anyones minds. I think at one day evs will be the primary vehicle, but it will be decades from now and likely trillions in dollars spent to get it there. There is so much that needs to be advanced, upgraded, modified, added, installed, maintained before its ready not just the vehicles.

 

[Banks22]

Yes I have. I have owned Teslas and other Evs. Believe what you want.

No manufacturer is currently developing next gen ice engines. So yes EV is winning along with other high efficiency drive units like hydrogen combustion , diesel, hybrids etc.

The f150 lightening can't tow more then 60 miles? Battery life drops in half under 40degrees?

Yeah im gonna leave it at that. I cant fight all the misinformation myself lol.

Best EV for Winter & Cold Weather Range

All vehicles lose efficiency and range in very cold weather. Electric cars are no different. The good news, however, is that this range loss is temporary and not as limiting as many people may think.

www.recurrentauto.com

Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test

We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

www.motortrend.com

Watch hoovies garage on YouTube, he literally made 2 videos on this with his new lightning. So he got rid of it and the next day after the dealer bought it the battery crapped out.

 

[Banks22]

Yes I have. I have owned Teslas and other Evs. Believe what you want.

No manufacturer is currently developing next gen ice engines. So yes EV is winning along with other high efficiency drive units like hydrogen combustion , diesel, hybrids etc.

The f150 lightening can't tow more then 60 miles? Battery life drops in half under 40degrees?

Yeah im gonna leave it at that. I cant fight all the misinformation myself lol.

Best EV for Winter & Cold Weather Range

All vehicles lose efficiency and range in very cold weather. Electric cars are no different. The good news, however, is that this range loss is temporary and not as limiting as many people may think.

www.recurrentauto.com

Tow No! The Ford F-150 Lightning Struggled in Our Towing Test

We towed 3100-, 5300-, and 7200-pound travel trailers with Ford’s electric truck and didn’t get very far from home.

www.motortrend.com

Lol u pretty much proved my point on the lightning with towing. And all your battery range in cold weather is ev cars. This forum is about big suv EV’s weighing probably 6000 lbs+? With 4-6 people and possibly luggage weighing it down as well. I’m just saying the first 5-10 years of GM and Ford doing EV’s is not going to go well. Majority of people on this forum will look at big suvs and trucks, and the f-150 lightning is not doing well so far when u wana use it for truck stuff. If u just drive back and forth to work and never tow and charge at home then sure it’s ok. But long distance travel and or tow, bad news.

 

[Banks22]

@DuraYuk Both hoovies garage and TFL truck did tow test with lightning only hauling 4000-6000lbs and got about 75 miles on a full charge, they had to stop at like 60 or so to charge cuz they were getting low range warnings. That’s real world tests. You can look them up on YouTube. Sorry if my numbers are not exact but they are pretty close.

 

[Banks22]

Where did you get those stats? You're 0 for 3

Real world videos by guys who just bought f-150 Lightning’s and hummers. TFL trucks, pickup truck plus talk, hoovies garage, all them have done pretty extensive reviews online with those trucks.
This seems like wasted effort, people are either pro EV or not. Kinda like other topics in this country but let’s not get going on that.

 

[DuraYuk]

@DuraYuk Both hoovies garage and TFL truck did tow test with lightning only hauling 4000-6000lbs and got about 75 miles on a full charge, they had to stop at like 60 or so to charge cuz they were getting low range warnings. That’s real world tests. You can look them up on YouTube. Sorry if my numbers are not exact but they are pretty close.

So towing up a steep mountain in the cold is real world? Is that how you determine your mpg? Lol. Hoovies? Lol nvm.

 

[BlaineBug]

So towing up a steep mountain in the cold is real world? Is that how you determine your mpg? Lol

Wouldn't that be real world for someone who tows up a steep mountain in cold weather?

 

[DuraYuk]

Wouldn't that be real world for someone who tows up a steep mountain in cold weather?

You tow up a steep mountain loaded in a gas or diesel? Hate to break it to you but range becomes abysmal.

It's evident some don't here so they think the ev with less range in those conditions is some outliers.

It's typical for a gasser to get 6mpg when loaded towing. Sometimes less.

That's why I said it's misinformation because it is.

 

[Banks22]

@DuraYuk this is a pretty basic one and his mileage drops dramatically. And please stop with the “misinformation”, your starting to sound like cnn.

 

[DuraYuk]

@DuraYuk this is a pretty basic one and his mileage drops dramatically. And please stop with the “misinformation”, your starting to sound like cnn.

No one said it wouldn't drop. Have you towed before? Why is that surprising then?

Its misinformation because you are saying a vehicle with a nominal range of 300 somehow is broken when it can't get that range when loaded.

So you are trying to misinform by choosing and picking your data points. Similar to how you said the cold reduces your range down to nothing after i showed you charts to the contrary.

How do you think mpg is determined? Hoovie is entertainment. Tfl is more respectable but if you only gained that range was reduced up a very steep mountain in the cold then I think you missed the point of their video completely.

Ford F-150 Lightning Vs Gas Truck Towing Range: Same Load, One Fill-Up

Most EVs don't have as much range as gas-powered vehicles, and towing makes a big impact. How limited is the Lightning's towing range on a single charge?

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Ford F-150 Lightning Real-World Towing Test: How Far Can It Go?

A towing range test is a good way to set a baseline. This family tows with their new F-150 Lightning to estimate range loss and compare it to their Rivian R1T.

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Ford F-150 Lightning winter towing tests and engineer interview

Ford has been taking some hits in the media on the F-150 Lightning towing range, so we thought it would be good to test it ourselves and then get the background from the people who built the Lightning.

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It sucks because rather then having some real discussion you have resorted to under table politics. This being a forum about vehicles and not politics i will leave the discussion here as I don't come here for that nonsense.

Take care !