Electric Suburban / Electric Tahoe / Yukon / Escalade EV

[Jellyfrosh]

Um you just put chargers where people park? What do I win now?

Or better yet build a parking garage as tall as you want with chargers ?

Lemme know what my prize is.

do you have any idea how insanely expensive it would be to do that?

 

[DuraYuk]

do you have any idea how insanely expensive it would be to do that?

Since when has that ever stopped anything in this country ? Lol

 

[BlaineBug]

That's one of the best things. Waking up with a full tank. I think we can all say how much we hate making that morning gas station run.

And your right. No truck or car is still as efficient when new at 200k miles. Plus evs have way less to go wrong.

I think it's still less about the tech being wrong and more about people being averse to change.

How do you figure EVs have "less" to fail? In my mind they have more to fail, and I believe, although you might not agree, that they'll turn out to be money pits for the consumers as they age. That's yet to be determined of course, so, we'll see.

 

[randeez]

Many people don't realize fuel prices have been at their lowest when we were energy independent and drilling here in the USA just a few years ago. We need to go back to an oil-friendly stance rather than oil-hostile!

its manipulation...
when youknowwhich administration says fuckall to the planet, drill the artic, drill the coast line, approves every single well application. oil nose dives, not because theres immediately an influx of all this new oil. oil companies manipulate the price to make it unprofitable for anyone new to get in on the game. they are literally sitting on billions and billions of dollars they can weather that storm for a few years with prices in the dirt. they would rather "lose" money than have the chance of someone coming along and taking any piece of their pie.
sure "we" benefit from the low oil prices. but all it does is starve out anyone who dares to invest in new production by tanking the price they can sell at.

 

[DuraYuk]

Many people don't realize fuel prices have been at their lowest when we were energy independent and drilling here in the USA just a few years ago. We need to go back to an oil-friendly stance rather than oil-hostile!

Why? Oil is finite. Why not use renewables? What's the issue there ? We also produce more now then ever. Even Saudi Arabia is diversifying their energy and investment portfolio.

Change is ok. Progress is ok. Nothing to be afraid of.

 

[BlaineBug]

you charge it up every night, you leave the house EVERY day with a full tank. the only time its a problem is when you get in the vehicle and travel 300+miles if youre doing that daily then sure an EV is not for you. I can argue stopping and getting gas is annoying the 5 minutes you have to spend refueling 10x a month is almost an hour of wasted time that someone with an EV doesnt have to do.

range after 200,000 miles - you think a combustible engine is still running 100% efficiency it left the factory with? EVs losing 10% sounds horrible...till you realize a truck that left the factory getting 20mpg 200,000 miles later if its still getting 18mpg thats also a 10% loss

You're right, EVs might not be for everyone, but EVs may work out fine for the average joe. The problem I see is, as time passes, it's abundantly clear that auto manufacturers hav a goal in mind to completely eliminate gas and diesel motors from the private consumer lineup, with perhaps the exception of commercial trucks and vans (although California is already getting nutty on that as well.)

When a company like Cadillac says that they want to eliminate gas motors entirely from their lineup by 2030, you know GM and Chevrolet won't be far behind. Then what, will the alternative be if no alternative is offered?

 

[BlaineBug]

its manipulation...
when youknowwhich administration says fuckall to the planet, drill the artic, drill the coast line, approves every single well application. oil nose dives, not because theres immediately an influx of all this new oil. oil companies manipulate the price to make it unprofitable for anyone new to get in on the game. they are literally sitting on billions and billions of dollars they can weather that storm for a few years with prices in the dirt. they would rather "lose" money than have the chance of someone coming along and taking any piece of their pie.
sure "we" benefit from the low oil prices. but all it does is starve out anyone who dares to invest in new production by tanking the price they can sell at.

IF you're as concerned about the planet as you post, why not sell your gas guzzling 2012 Yukon and CTS-V sports Caddy? Show us how it's done, chief. The Chevrolet Trax should suit you well.

 

[DuraYuk]

How do you figure EVs have "less" to fail? In my mind they have more to fail, and I believe, although you might not agree, that they'll turn out to be money pits for the consumers as they age. That's yet to be determined of course, so, we'll see.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say you don't understand how cars or electric motors work. There are more components in a ICE cylinder head then the whole ev vehicle. Less components less parts to fail. Electric motors are some of the simplest innovations known to man.

 

[DuraYuk]

You're right, EVs might not be for everyone, but EVs may work out fine for the average joe. The problem I see is, as time passes, it's abundantly clear that auto manufacturers hav a goal in mind to completely eliminate gas and diesel motors from the private consumer lineup, with perhaps the exception of commercial trucks and vans (although California is already getting nutty on that as well.)

When a company like Cadillac says that they want to eliminate gas motors entirely from their lineup by 2030, you know GM and Chevrolet won't be far behind. Then what, will the alternative be if no alternative is offered?

Its less about what the manufacturers want and more about emmissions and government regulations.

 

[DuraYuk]

IF you're as concerned about the planet as you post, why not sell your gas guzzling 2012 Yukon and CTS-V sports Caddy? Show us how it's done, chief. The Chevrolet Trax should suit you well.

Let's not go for personal attacks and keep it a discussion. Its more fun that way.

 

[randeez]

IF you're as concerned about the planet as you post, why not sell your gas guzzling 2012 Yukon and CTS-V sports Caddy? Show us how it's done, chief. The Chevrolet Trax should suit you well.

im not advocating against gas guzzlers, im advocating for EVs. there is zero reason why they have to be mutually exclusive.
neither one of those has been driven even 5k miles this year...meanwhile i've put almost 45k miles on the subaru. before that about 150k on a ford cmax phev in about 3 years.
I am someone who literally fills up every other day, the constraints of an EV are precisely why I cannot have a full electric. but for 75% of people that commute less than 30 miles a day, that have a set schedule, a set route, dont give a shit about what their vehicle is as long as it gets them from a to b it makes a lot more sense to ramp up EV production

 

[Chad G 1979]

We all basically know where others stand at on this topic and at this point i really think the thread should die as it has been going on for 500 comments about which side is better and whole folks are still being nice, its getting testy. We all have our opinions of gassers vs evs/hybrids. If your an ev fan? Go for it. Nobody is stopping you. You prefer gas/diesel? Ride on.

 

[Banks22]

We are making progress. Everything takes time. Charging times are getting less and less. Its still cheaper then gas or diesel.

This is false. My cousin is an engineer for GM and they have done the math there and it’s not cheaper for electric.
Energy prices fluctuate just like gas. So as gas goes up, so does propane, Natural gas and electricity.

For an average consumer driving ~1 tank of fuel a week (this was ford lightning compared to f150) cost is the same.

This was computed during this past fall when gas prices were higher too.

 

[soulsea]

Discuss without politics and don’t be dicks to each other.

Last warning

 

[randeez]

This is false. My cousin is an engineer for GM and they have done the math there and it’s not cheaper for electric.
Energy prices fluctuate just like gas. So as gas goes up, so does propane, Natural gas and electricity.

For an average consumer driving ~1 tank of fuel a week (this was ford lightning compared to f150) cost is the same.

This was computed during this past fall when gas prices were higher too.

if you live in hawaii, where the cost per kwh is 3x the national average

 

[BlaineBug]

Let's not go for personal attacks and keep it a discussion. Its more fun that way.

Honest question. Those who speak the loudest shall lead the flock.

 

[Brand0n]

This is false. My cousin is an engineer for GM and they have done the math there and it’s not cheaper for electric.
Energy prices fluctuate just like gas. So as gas goes up, so does propane, Natural gas and electricity.

For an average consumer driving ~1 tank of fuel a week (this was ford lightning compared to f150) cost is the same.

This was computed during this past fall when gas prices were higher too.

It doesn’t take an engineer to do this math. To your point it will vary by current energy prices in your region but on average electric will be cheaper. Electric rates in my region tend to be lower than the national averages…curious what yours would be.

500 miles at 2 miles per kWh (ford lightning) @0.1459 = $36.47 with my current rate.

500 miles at 20MPG average (F150) @3.29 a gallon = $82.25

 

[Onlyone]

IF you're as concerned about the planet as you post, why not sell your gas guzzling 2012 Yukon and CTS-V sports Caddy? Show us how it's done, chief. The Chevrolet Trax should suit you well.

Because people like that are hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do. They enjoy the disinformation they spew. I personally don’t have an issue with hybrids or EVs as there is a place for them, they just won’t be the replacement that some of the weak minded ones think.

 

[DuraYuk]

Because people like that are hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do. They enjoy the disinformation they spew. I personally don’t have an issue with hybrids or EVs as there is a place for them, they just won’t be the replacement that some of the weak minded ones think.

You ok man? No one is hurling insults here except you. Sheesh.

But to your point no vehicle manufacturer is investing any money into next gen ice powerplants. So regardless of what you think the ev future is all but guaranteed.

 

[Onlyone]

You ok man? No one is hurling insults here except you. Sheesh.

But to your point no vehicle manufacturer is investing any money into next gen ice powerplants. So regardless of what you think the ev future is all but guaranteed.

I‘m all good man. Thanks for asking. Are you ok? You seem awful sensitive. It’s ok to let it out, have a good cry. It’s going to be ok. ICE motors will continue to be developed and improved for many, many years to come. Even Jeep just came out with their next generation inline 6 cylinder ICE engine. Its ok to be sensitive, just cool it with the disinformation.