Electric Suburban / Electric Tahoe / Yukon / Escalade EV

[StephenPT]

I'm not really on either side of the fence when it comes to EV. It has its merits, it works for some uses cases, but as it starts to be used beyond 4-door sedan commuter it's having a heck of a tough time. Technology will get better, battery density will improve, but I think the ultimate solution involves multiple approaches as @DuraYuk mentioned. EV, Hybrid, Hydrogen and yes, ICE.

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[Doubeleive]

let's take for instance a very small pinprick of a town in san diego ca, called ocean beach.
population 31,***
it has been fully built up since the early 1960's there is no room for expansion, you can't build anything unless something else is torn down
it's split to around 40/60 40% mostly small single story older homes, 60% apartments various sizes
there is no parking available, none, zilch every block every spot is taken
less than 1% use public transportation
less than 1% walk, motorcycle, etc..
the greater majority drive cars
tell me oh great one where are all these chargers going to go? because there is no place to put any, you are lucky if you can find a spot to park for the night
the single family homes might have a carport in the alley, most do not have a garage because the real estate is taken and they are sandwiched together like sardines.
most of the apartments have a few parking spots in the back but you mostly have to play musical chairs to get in & out
the infrastructure and streets are 50+ years old
many parts of san diego are very similar a city of 1.4 million, the only parts that are new is what has been expanded out into the desert
many parts of los angeles are also very similar a city of 3.8 million
Newsom has clearly not thought this thru

 

[BlaineBug]

let's take for instance a very small pinprick of a town in san diego ca, called ocean beach.
population 31,***
it has been fully built up since the early 1960's there is no room for expansion, you can't build anything unless something else is torn down
it's split to around 40/60 40% mostly small single story older homes, 60% apartments various sizes
there is no parking available, none, zilch every block every spot is taken
less than 1% use public transportation
less than 1% walk, motorcycle, etc..
the greater majority drive cars
tell me oh great one where are all these chargers going to go? because there is no place to put any, you are lucky if you can find a spot to park for the night
the single family homes might have a carport in the alley, most do not have a garage because the real estate is taken and they are sandwiched together like sardines.
most of the apartments have a few parking spots in the back but you mostly have to play musical chairs to get in & out
the infrastructure and streets are 50+ years old
many parts of san diego are very similar a city of 1.4 million, the only parts that are new is what has been expanded out into the desert
many parts of los angeles are also very similar a city of 3.8 million
Newsom has clearly not thought this thru

Newsom..........this schit is global at this point. California is the testing facility for what they expect every other state to adopt.

 

[H1Chester]

let's take for instance a very small pinprick of a town in san diego ca, called ocean beach.
population 31,***
it has been fully built up since the early 1960's there is no room for expansion, you can't build anything unless something else is torn down
it's split to around 40/60 40% mostly small single story older homes, 60% apartments various sizes
there is no parking available, none, zilch every block every spot is taken
less than 1% use public transportation
less than 1% walk, motorcycle, etc..
the greater majority drive cars
tell me oh great one where are all these chargers going to go? because there is no place to put any, you are lucky if you can find a spot to park for the night
the single family homes might have a carport in the alley, most do not have a garage because the real estate is taken and they are sandwiched together like sardines.
most of the apartments have a few parking spots in the back but you mostly have to play musical chairs to get in & out
the infrastructure and streets are 50+ years old
many parts of san diego are very similar a city of 1.4 million, the only parts that are new is what has been expanded out into the desert
many parts of los angeles are also very similar a city of 3.8 million
Newsom has clearly not thought this thru

Great burger place there called HODADS...

 

[Doubeleive]

Great burger place there called HODADS...

you probably never had the original Hodads, he died many years ago. he used to sell a grocery bag full of curly fries for $1 Him and his wife were really nice people, good times back then.

 

[DuraYuk]

let's take for instance a very small pinprick of a town in san diego ca, called ocean beach.
population 31,***
it has been fully built up since the early 1960's there is no room for expansion, you can't build anything unless something else is torn down
it's split to around 40/60 40% mostly small single story older homes, 60% apartments various sizes
there is no parking available, none, zilch every block every spot is taken
less than 1% use public transportation
less than 1% walk, motorcycle, etc..
the greater majority drive cars
tell me oh great one where are all these chargers going to go? because there is no place to put any, you are lucky if you can find a spot to park for the night
the single family homes might have a carport in the alley, most do not have a garage because the real estate is taken and they are sandwiched together like sardines.
most of the apartments have a few parking spots in the back but you mostly have to play musical chairs to get in & out
the infrastructure and streets are 50+ years old
many parts of san diego are very similar a city of 1.4 million, the only parts that are new is what has been expanded out into the desert
many parts of los angeles are also very similar a city of 3.8 million
Newsom has clearly not thought this thru

Um you just put chargers where people park? What do I win now?

Or better yet build a parking garage as tall as you want with chargers ?

Lemme know what my prize is.

 

[MikeBoom]

To clarify, I was not referring to Texas. In Tennessee (and perhaps elsewhere), the recent cold weather resulted in rolling blackouts. Here in the Midwest, we did not suffer the collapse during our past summer, but the MISO system (which covers several states) was reportedly at the cusp: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-midwest-danger-rotating-power-blackouts-this-summer-2022-06-03/. And one needs look no further than California, where EVs have been promoted more heavily than anywhere else in the country, to see that they have had recurring problems over the past few years with brownouts and blackouts.

But, if we bring Texas into the equation, it just amplifies the proof that we are barely hanging on, in terms of production capacity and reliability, in most of the USA. This concept is not unique to the United States either, as we have seen similar outages…though for different reasons…in the past year in Europe. Simultaneously we are seeing the vulnerability of our grid in light of recent instances of sabotage here. Again, I’m not really so much of a Luddite when it comes to electrification (I own a PHEV that’s been trading for a Yukon sometime in the weeks to come), but I also am fully convinced that the current political push is motivated by a combination of money and ideologically driven denial. Manufacturers who jump on the bandwagon prematurely are rolling the dice.

 

[BlaineBug]

To clarify, I was not referring to Texas. In Tennessee (and perhaps elsewhere), the recent cold weather resulted in rolling blackouts. Here in the Midwest, we did not suffer the collapse during our past summer, but the MISO system (which covers several states) was reportedly at the cusp: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-midwest-danger-rotating-power-blackouts-this-summer-2022-06-03/. And one needs look no further than California, where EVs have been promoted more heavily than anywhere else in the country, to see that they have had recurring problems over the past few years with brownouts and blackouts.

But, if we bring Texas into the equation, it just amplifies the proof that we are barely hanging on, in terms of production capacity and reliability, in most of the USA. This concept is not unique to the United States either, as we have seen similar outages…though for different reasons…in the past year in Europe. Simultaneously we are seeing the vulnerability of our grid in light of recent instances of sabotage here. Again, I’m not really so much of a Luddite when it comes to electrification (I own a PHEV that’s been trading for a Yukon sometime in the weeks to come), but I also am fully convinced that the current political push is motivated by a combination of money and ideologically driven denial. Manufacturers who jump on the bandwagon prematurely are rolling the dice.

Don't forget, simultaneously while Europe faces an energy crises, the western coalitions blows up to Russian pipelines and blames Russia. And trust me on this when I tell you, all of those "sanctions" and bans on importation of Russian natural gas and oil are doing it so that Europe too can become "green" and they are using the Ukraine conflict as the excuse. A false-flag, if you will.

 

[DuraYuk]

Don't forget, simultaneously while Europe faces an energy crises, the western coalitions blows up to Russian pipelines and blames Russia. And trust me on this when I tell you, all of those "sanctions" and bans on importation of Russian natural gas and oil are doing it so that Europe too can become "green" and they are using the Ukraine conflict as the excuse. A false-flag, if you will.

Europe has been going green before the war. Germany for instance is leading the way in solar.

Need to be energy independent. And to preserve the planet.

We have the money and technology. Just gotta get over the ignorance. Regardless it won't just be Ev but a combination of high efficiency powerplants and energy creation (Ev, hydrogen, hybrid, bio fuels, nuclear).

 

[randeez]

Europe has been going green before the war. Germany for instance is leading the way in solar.

Need to be energy independent. And to preserve the planet.

We have the money and technology. Just gotta get over the ignorance. Regardless it won't just be Ev but a combination of high efficiency powerplants and energy creation (Ev, hydrogen, hybrid, bio fuels, nuclear).

Not to mention decentralizing energy storage, people in black/brown out areas were using their Ford lightning to power their house

 

[Doubeleive]

Um you just put chargers where people park? What do I win now?

Or better yet build a parking garage as tall as you want with chargers ?

Lemme know what my prize is.

so your going to dig up every block and install 20 minute chargers every 10 feet? what a vision of the future, any idea how many decades that's going to take? because they will have to lay wire as well as network everything because you know government needs there money back.
then you have to turn around and replace the charging cables that will get cut off nightly.
here is a example of a typical city block in ocean beach that you get to dig, lots of room huh?

 

[Doubeleive]

Europe has been going green before the war. Germany for instance is leading the way in solar.

Need to be energy independent. And to preserve the planet.

We have the money and technology. Just gotta get over the ignorance. Regardless it won't just be Ev but a combination of high efficiency powerplants and energy creation (Ev, hydrogen, hybrid, bio fuels, nuclear).

“Not only is there an insufficient number of electric charging points along the road networks in most European Union countries, but the vast majority of these do not charge quickly enough,” the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association said.

Or as the German minister said: “Electric mobility will only find acceptance if charging is as easy as refueling is today.

 

[Thrust]

Besides charging stations and grid capacity, where will this green energy come from? And what energy is used to create the solar panels, wind generators, charging stations, construction equipment, etc to "go green". Has anyone looked into the value of a used P85 Tesla lately. Not like the battery lasts forever.

 

[DuraYuk]

so your going to dig up every block and install 20 minute chargers every 10 feet? what a vision of the future, any idea how many decades that's going to take? because they will have to lay wire as well as network everything because you know government needs there money back.
then you have to turn around and replace the charging cables that will get cut off nightly.
here is a example of a typical city block in ocean beach that you get to dig, lots of room huh?
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We are capitalist. Someone will do it for money quickly. Where there is a need someone will step up.

That's the beauty of electricity. It's stupid easy! No leaks to contend with. No giant fuel tanks. Just fat wires. Simple.

 

[DuraYuk]

“Not only is there an insufficient number of electric charging points along the road networks in most European Union countries, but the vast majority of these do not charge quickly enough,” the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association said.

Or as the German minister said: “Electric mobility will only find acceptance if charging is as easy as refueling is today.

Its insufficient because we are now scaling up. Its happening now. Quick swap batteries like those in Chinese vehicles are also a avenue of possibility. All you do is swap it and you are back on your way.

There are tons of methods to getting it done. Electricity isnt scary.

 

[Doubeleive]

Besides charging stations and grid capacity, where will this green energy come from? And what energy is used to create the solar panels, wind generators, charging stations, construction equipment, etc to "go green". Has anyone looked into the value of a used P85 Tesla lately. Not like the battery lasts forever.

SHHH. don't say anything because green isn't really green (that's supposed to be a secret)

 

[DuraYuk]

Besides charging stations and grid capacity, where will this green energy come from? And what energy is used to create the solar panels, wind generators, charging stations, construction equipment, etc to "go green". Has anyone looked into the value of a used P85 Tesla lately. Not like the battery lasts forever.

Hydro electric, wind, solar, nuclear, tons of possibilities. It's easy.

2014 p85 with 63k miles $35 to $40k

 

[Doubeleive]

Hydro electric, wind, solar, nuclear, tons of possibilities. It's easy.

2014 p85 with 63k miles $35 to $40k

I know a bunch of tree huggers that would tend to disagree and will tie you up in court for decades.
also what about resources? you know the materials needed to make all these "green" things, seems to be limited and the law of supply and demand kicks in, case in point GM just raised the the price of there ev's "again" citing price increases.

 

[Doubeleive]

there's a funny little thing called a "environmental impact report" California was supposed to have high speed rail by now, they started that task over 10 years ago, looked easy enough made a map and everything, but.....that report and you know this isn't the 1800's anymore you can't just go take the land people don't give up easily. the progess? less than a mile of track has been layed, cost has skyrocketed, billions spent. ya some contractors profited and I am sure some pockets were lined very well.
what else let's see...there are supposed to be some tunnels built to send water to so-cal that's been 30 years or more in the works, results so far? nothing, more billions spent, you can thank environmentalist for that one too.
oh and Oregon is removing dams and hydro because "fish"
they were going to take out the nuclear plant here to but they can't because then there wouldn't be enough power as it stands now

 

[DuraYuk]

there's a funny little thing called a "environmental impact report" California was supposed to have high speed rail by now, they started that task over 10 years ago, looked easy enough made a map and everything, but.....that report and you know this isn't the 1800's anymore you can't just go take the land people don't give up easily. the progess? less than a mile of track has been layed, cost has skyrocketed, billions spent. ya some contractors profited and I am sure some pockets were lined very well.
what else let's see...there are supposed to be some tunnels built to send water to so-cal that's been 30 years or more in the works, results so far? nothing, more billions spent, you can thank environmentalist for that one too.
oh and Oregon is removing dams and hydro because "fish"
they were going to take out the nuclear plant here to but they can't because then there wouldn't be enough power as it stands now

Nah rich people can stop progress. https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article264451076.html