Oil filter difference ?

[rjr]

Swathdiver, how doe the AC & the Wix compare on oil flow, a topic which you touched upon in another thread?

 

[Lalo]

I installed a Derale 15749 dual filter setup...
Derale 15749 Engine Oil Filter Relocation Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XONTYI/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_X5ZfEbMV87TPA

Here is a link to my build thread with some pics of the mounting locations...
https://www.tahoeyukonforum.com/thr...urb-ltz-mod-thread.100141/page-3#post-1199569

I also installed an aftermarket oil cooler since my truck didn't have one already.

Then I ended up having hydraulic hoses made up for it so I could get away from those barbed fittings that came in the kit...

https://www.tahoeyukonforum.com/thr...rb-ltz-mod-thread.100141/page-51#post-1324392

Nice setup

 

[swathdiver]

Swathdiver, how doe the AC & the Wix compare on oil flow, a topic which you touched upon in another thread?

Bob, I've not been successful in locating the flow rate for the WIX WL10255. RockAuto mentions 4 Gallons Per Minute but that does not seem right. If true, that would be less than half of its next closest competitor.

ACDelco PF63E = 13.2 GPM - 792 GPH

Mobil 1 M1-212A = 11.2 GPM - 672 GPH

K&N HP-2011 = 16 GPM - 960 GPH

 

[James Ward]

The K&N numbers look fantastic ? Be great if you could install a electrical external pump so you could pressurize the system before a start ?

 

[swathdiver]

The K&N numbers look fantastic ? Be great if you could install a electrical external pump so you could pressurize the system before a start ?

We always wanted to do that to our turbo cars back in the '80s to avoid coking in the turbocharger. Then we discovered the benefits of Mobil 1, which was then a Group IV oil, and for our street cars was not necessary.

 

[gooffeyguy]

Wouldn't more flow give less pressure?

2001 Yukon SLT
2012 Yukon Denali XL
2011 Yukon Denali RIP 5/20/18

 

[swathdiver]

Wouldn't more flow give less pressure?

Possibly. I noticed that my oil pressure was lower by a few pounds, 3 or 4, when using the M1 EP oil filters compared with the K&N.

 

[kbuskill]

Wouldn't more flow give less pressure?

2001 Yukon SLT
2012 Yukon Denali XL
2011 Yukon Denali RIP 5/20/18

Oil pressure is measured after the oil filter.

Less flow (volume) through the filter should equal less pressure after the filter.

More flow/volume through the filter should equal higher pressure after the filter... IMO

If your pressure sensor was located in between the oil pump and oil filter then a filter that flows less GPM would increase pressure, while a filter that flows more GPM would decrease pressure.

 

[James Ward]

Oil pressure is measured after the oil filter.

Less flow (volume) through the filter should equal less pressure after the filter.

More flow/volume through the filter should equal higher pressure after the filter... IMO

If your pressure sensor was located in between the oil pump and oil filter then a filter that flows less GPM would increase pressure, while a filter that flows more GPM would decrease pressure.

Yes indeed ! I put a complete long block in my 1990 Silverado in 2014-5 and the manufacturer as a rule includes a "Hi-Volume" pump. So I have 60psi at start and it only drops when the engine is fully warmed up and then it stays at 30-40psi at idle, in gear at a stop light. Now the pump doesn't create pressure but the oil when compressed at the entrance of the oil cavities/gallery system, that builds the pressure. I'm pretty sure of that answer, as it was given me by the engines rebuilder. But there is the collection of 'nano "seconds" (not the best description) where there is no pressure yet. But again, it isn't important. And that is the reason the oil pressure sensor is at a half-way position in the oils flow.

 

[okfoz]

Be careful with Fram

 

[donjetman]

For my full flow filters, I use Fram Ultra oil filters from WalMart whenever possible and have for many yrs. I cut open my filters when I change them and have never seen an issue with the Fram Ultra. I do used oil analysis too. I've never had an oil filter problem.

I run an engine oil bypass filtration system on the Yukon and my FJ Cruiser.

Here is a video and they have cut open the Ultra, Tough, HighMileage, and the lesser Extra:

 

[Derick]

I wouldn't use anything with the word 'FRAM' on it, near it, once referred to as such, nor do I ever in this life even think of anything, even if it was for my pets and beneficial to same. FRAM is the last thing I'd ever consider for my Truck.

And this feelings are dur to their OWN actions. They pissed down too many legs, (Mine included) over the years. When I worked in Garages for the years and years, they had a chance to improve their product, but money is what guided them, I'd leave a dirty oil filter on instead of using one of theirs. Now I hope they will never get $0.10 from me ever again. Since the 70's they have killed at least 50 engine I know of or have had interment relations of. Never ever !

What if the OEM was sitting next to FRAM on the shelf at wally world? No go?

 

[James Ward]

What if the OEM was sitting next to FRAM on the shelf at wally world? No go?

And that would be a AC DELCO ? I use a AC63

What if the OEM was sitting next to FRAM on the shelf at wally world? No go?

I currently use a AC 63E, so is that what you meant ? But I'd, as I said never use a FRAM anything.

 

[Derick]

And that would be a AC DELCO ? I use a AC63


I currently use a AC 63E, so is that what you meant ? But I'd, as I said never use a FRAM anything.

It was a joke dude in response to your prior post.

 

[SnowDrifter]

What if the OEM was sitting next to FRAM on the shelf at wally world? No go?

I like the ultra synthetics. I swap back and forth between those and the amsoil units. Wouldn't touch anything else in fram's lineup but their top tier ones are actually really nice


Uhh... Those are basically the only 2 filters I touch. Ever. My shopping criteria is: Thick case, synthetic media, mesh back, good flow rates, good filtration performance. Granted some of this is because I work my filters kind of ******* account of a high volume / high pressure pump. I'll see 100-120 psi at redline. High 60s on a cold start idle. Hell, I'm at 80psi at 1400rpm if I start my rig up when it's in the teens. While I'm aware that most filters on the market are burst tested to north of 300psi, I'd rather not chance things like poor crimps or case inflation causing issues in the long term.

I'm of the opinion that if you need to budget for an oil change, get cheaper oil before a cheaper filter. Engines will run for years on inexpensive oil. But a filter failure, or a filter allowing particles to float about your engine will kill it very quickly. Even the best oil you can find won't do anything for large particles getting squeezed between 2 surfaces under high pressure. Shit's abrasive.

 

[avalonandl]

I use AC or WIX only......