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[cardude2000]

As you are demonstrating.

If I were folks would be able to easily refute the research and data I’ve provided instead of engaging in ad hominems.

 

[Quark]

Nope. If I were folks would be able to easily refute the research and data I’ve provided instead of engaging in ad hominems.

The link to the clip you provided states that as demand increases line loss on the electric grid increases. There is no data to show how a mass conversion to electric vehicles will impact that loss. You are only providing bits of information that the industry is feeding to you. Prove me wrong, show me a study of the impact of going all electric will have on the electric grid. Then when you've accomplished that show me a study of the environmental impact of producing and reclaiming hundreds of billions of lithium batteries.

Be wary of the half truths provided by those profiting from "change" and extend the logical trail where their explanations conveniently stop. Follow the money: fossil fuel is a mature industry battery powered cars are where the money is. Tesla doesn't make money from selling cars as much as they collect for regulatory credits. That's right government is picking winners and losers so if you trust government to do the right thing you will be for electric cars.

 

[cardude2000]

The link to the clip you provided states that as demand increases line loss on the electric grid increases. There is no data to show how a mass conversion to electric vehicles will impact that loss. You are only providing bits of information that the industry is feeding to you. Prove me wrong, show me a study of the impact of going all electric will have on the electric grid. Then when you've accomplished that show me a study of the environmental impact of producing and reclaiming hundreds of billions of lithium batteries.

Be wary of the half truths provided by those profiting from "change" and extend the logical trail where their explanations conveniently stop. Follow the money: fossil fuel is a mature industry battery powered cars are where the money is. Tesla doesn't make money from selling cars as much as they collect for regulatory credits. That's right government is picking winners and losers so if you trust government to do the right thing you will be for electric cars.

I’m not “for” anything. But your “follow the money” point is fair. The govt spends WAY more on oil wars and OMG subsidies/credits/incentives than on EV rebates so (by your logic) if you trust the govt you will be “for” a future of only ICE’s.

You’re falling for the fallacy that this is an immediate changeover with no grid or technology improvements. Of course the reality is it will take decades. CURRENTLY grid loss, at worst, is 20%. ICE’s are ~20% efficient and that’s NOT including the cost of wars, drilling, transportation, refining and 3X CO2 output.

Today, 40% of electricity is generated by renewables or nuclear. That has increased 100% since 2000. That growth isn’t slowing.

Batteries undoubtedly messy and costly but recycling is largely dependent on scale and the secondary market for them (including home energy storage) is part of that future lifecycle.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/04/06/giving-ev-batteries-a-second-life-for-sustainability-and-profit/


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[Blueinterceptor]

If you believe so heavily in the current state of technology. Get an electric car and live with it exclusively. Make sure every one in your family uses one. Run it almost to zero charge and then go to a dealership to recharge it.
It takes almost two hours to recharge the battery on my flashlight to only 80%. And that battery is the equivalent of three C batteries in size and runs for 2 hrs

 

[cardude2000]

If you believe so heavily in the current state of technology. Get an electric car and live with it exclusively. Make sure every one in your family uses one. Run it almost to zero charge and then go to a dealership to recharge it.
It takes almost two hours to recharge the battery on my flashlight to only 80%. And that battery is the equivalent of three C batteries in size and runs for 2 hrs

I’d gladly drive an EV today. I’ve literally never driven 500 miles in one day.

But I’m really talking about the coming decades. EV’s are here to stay.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

So what’s stopping you? I suppose you live in a house where you could set up a charging station. What about the people that live in large cities, that have large apartment buildings and no on site parking. Some of those people don’t move their cars for 2 or 3 days. What if the parking space you pull into has a broken charging station. How about some homeless guy busts up a few on purpose.
The dealership out by me were discussing their broken charging station after a bmw tried to charge up there. (Different connector I imagine)
Ever notice those long lines at gas stations after a natural disaster as people try to gas up to evacuate.
EV should not be forced onto people and government money should not be spent on infrastructure until the technology truly exists to be viable in reality

 

[Quark]

I’d gladly drive an EV today. I’ve literally never driven 500 miles in one day.

But I’m really talking about the coming decades. EV’s are here to stay.

Imagine trying to forecast decades ago our technological capabilities of today.

Now try to imagine how many decades it will require to see any environmental benefit of a slight carbon reduction and how easy it will be to eliminate any gain with new sources of contamination. EV's may be here to stay that's not a reason to accept the gibberish being force fed to us by the political and media elite. We aren't informed enough to discuss this rationally but we see here how a little logic has caused you to retrench into something good might happen in the coming decades. Keep an open mind and resist the temptation to feast on a guided tour of the situation not unlike what Disney created for the public. I'm done.

 

[cardude2000]

Imagine trying to forecast decades ago our technological capabilities of today.

Now try to imagine how many decades it will require to see any environmental benefit of a slight carbon reduction and how easy it will be to eliminate any gain with new sources of contamination. EV's may be here to stay that's not a reason to accept the gibberish being force fed to us by the political and media elite. We aren't informed enough to discuss this rationally but we see here how a little logic has caused you to retrench into something good might happen in the coming decades. Keep an open mind and resist the temptation to feast on a guided tour of the situation not unlike what Disney created for the public. I'm done.

You have to start somewhere and I’m not one to let perfect get in the way of better.

Don’t forget that many said CAFE standards in the 70’s wouldn’t help create cleaner air/water, wouldn’t push ICE technology forward and instead would be the death of the auto industry.

Your song has been played generation after generation by those on the wrong side of history.


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[cardude2000]

So what’s stopping you? I suppose you live in a house where you could set up a charging station. What about the people that live in large cities, that have large apartment buildings and no on site parking. Some of those people don’t move their cars for 2 or 3 days. What if the parking space you pull into has a broken charging station. How about some homeless guy busts up a few on purpose.
The dealership out by me were discussing their broken charging station after a bmw tried to charge up there. (Different connector I imagine)
Ever notice those long lines at gas stations after a natural disaster as people try to gas up to evacuate.
EV should not be forced onto people and government money should not be spent on infrastructure until the technology truly exists to be viable in reality

There just isn’t one in the size I need. If GM or Ford had a full size 3 row hauler I’d gladly buy. I’m really interested in the hybrid Navigator coming out next year.

Govt spends my money on wars to protect cheap gas, billions to incentivize the OMG industry and before that it spent tax money to find cheap gas and then built a highway system. Before that it built a national railway infrastructure. The whole “govt shouldnt get involved” argument doesn’t hold water. Heck eventually horses were banned from cities. They’ve ALWAYS been involved. I would agree though that banning ICE’s for purchase, at least for the next decade or so, is a bridge too far.

And again, 500 mile range IS a viable reality for 90% of the trips people take.


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[Blueinterceptor]

There just isn’t one in the size I need. If GM or Ford had a full size 3 row hauler I’d gladly buy. I’m really interested in the hybrid Navigator coming out next year.

Govt spends my money on wars to protect cheap gas, billions to incentivize the OMG industry and before that it spent tax money to find cheap gas and then built a highway system. Before that it built a national railway infrastructure. The whole “govt shouldnt get involved” argument doesn’t hold water. Heck eventually horses were banned from cities. They’ve ALWAYS been involved. I would agree though that banning ICE’s for purchase, at least for the next decade or so, is a bridge too far.

And again, 500 mile range IS a viable reality for 90% of the trips people take.


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And there we have it. The technology doesn’t exist for what you want. The larger the car the more batteries it needs to work.
Have you checked out the new hummers. If memory serves me the entry model cost close to a hundred grand with a range in the 300 miles. I drive 220 miles to visit my folks for 2 hrs. If I had a detour or prolonged sit in traffic problem, I could be out of luck

 

[cardude2000]

And there we have it. The technology doesn’t exist for what you want. The larger the car the more batteries it needs to work.
Have you checked out the new hummers. If memory serves me the entry model cost close to a hundred grand with a range in the 300 miles. I drive 220 miles to visit my folks for 2 hrs. If I had a detour or prolonged sit in traffic problem, I could be out of luck

I never said it existed today...however I did say that the full size hybrid models coming out look really interesting. Rivian looks pretty awesome too.

This is an evolution set to take decades not months. Not sure why people are so confused about the timeline and upset about the outcome.

Doesn’t really matter. It’s happening regardless of how much people shake their fists and scream at the sky.


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[Blueinterceptor]

Democrats scream at the sky. Practical people don’t see the tech as feasible now. Nor in 2025 or 2035.
Let private industry work this out.
Avoid another solyndra (sp). Avoid tax dollars going to propaganda campaigns to push an issue that has no contemporary solutions

stop the global warming or climate change hysteria. Carbon exchanges are just a tax or a way for dems to make money.

 

[cardude2000]

Democrats scream at the sky. Practical people don’t see the tech as feasible now. Nor in 2025 or 2035.
Let private industry work this out.
Avoid another solyndra (sp). Avoid tax dollars going to propaganda campaigns to push an issue that has no contemporary solutions

stop the global warming or climate change hysteria. Carbon exchanges are just a tax or a way for dems to make money.

You can keep your old truck as long as you like. It will be decades before EV’s overtake oil burners. Not sure why that concept is so hard for people to grasp. This is a evolution.

Solyndra was part of Bush’s clean energy fund which was profitable for taxpayers despite a couple of notable investments that didn’t work out. That’s how loan programs work.

If you want private industry to “work things out” then the govt should also stop throwing American kids into oil wars in the name of “freedom” and stop propping up the oil industry with incentives, subsidies and special tax exemptions.

Practical people recognize that 90% of trips are less than 50 miles.

EV’s are coming no matter how much you shake your fist and scream “Dems Dems Dems!”

 

[Blueinterceptor]

We had a president that wanted energy independence and bringing our kids home. I agree we should bring our kids home and get back to energy independence
I don’t recall solyndra having an issue under GWB. ( not saying they didn’t) but I do remember them getting 500 million from O

 

[cardude2000]

We had a president that wanted energy independence and bringing our kids home. I agree we should bring our kids home and get back to energy independence
I don’t recall solyndra having an issue under GWB. ( not saying they didn’t) but I do remember them getting 500 million from O

The US has been a net petroleum exporter since 2011 but that industry relies heavily on govt subsidies, tax incentives etc so we’re back to the mental gymnastics around that.

...and he may have told you he “want to bring our kids home” but he didn’t.

I won’t be able to deprogram you but it would likely serve you well to turn off entertainment news and not look at everything through the eyes of “D’s bad R’s good!”

Or not.

Either way EV’s are coming. The future doesn’t care how upset you are with it.


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[dubyagee01]

The US has been a net petroleum exporter since 2011 but that industry relies heavily on govt subsidies, tax incentives etc so we’re back to the mental gymnastics around that.

...and he may have told you he “want to bring our kids home” but he didn’t.

I won’t be able to deprogram you but it would likely serve you well to turn off entertainment news and not look at everything through the eyes of “D’s bad R’s good!”

Or not.

Either way EV’s are coming. The future doesn’t care how upset you are with it.


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Hey all, agree with cardude or get insulted. What a stupid way to make people see your side. Makes you look limited and invalidates whatever point you had.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

The US has been a net petroleum exporter since 2011 but that industry relies heavily on govt subsidies, tax incentives etc so we’re back to the mental gymnastics around that.

...and he may have told you he “want to bring our kids home” but he didn’t.

I won’t be able to deprogram you but it would likely serve you well to turn off entertainment news and not look at everything through the eyes of “D’s bad R’s good!”

Or not.

Either way EV’s are coming. The future doesn’t care how upset you are with it.


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I hope everyone in your house hold is driving an electric car now. Probably not. Surely not everyone in the family needs an 8000 pound vehicle capable of towing 8000lbs. Surely the technology exists for them to drive a current electric vehicle. Or is it to inconvenient? Too expensive? Or is the tech simply not there? I don’t know if you noticed, but there is no such thing as real news anymore. They’re all propaganda or entertainment. They are filled with insults when you disagree with their line. How can several “news” stations have several different guests on and have them all say the same things, almost word for word. It’s seems like they all pick up a script.
If he had received his second term, our kids would have been coming home in may as he ordered, not September. How many of our kids will pay because this stupid delay.?

Lastly, you’re right and I’ve never disagreed that EV are coming, but the current tech make them more trouble than they are worth.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

2011?

 

[Blueinterceptor]

Whose green energy program

 

[Blueinterceptor]