Jeep Grand Wagoneer | color me impressed

[steiny93]

I had the kid's Jeep; so as one does was in the Jeep dealer getting parts over the weekend .

They had one of the Grand Wagoneer's in stock.
Loaded out, sitting all pretty, so I spent some time with it.

Sitting in the Wagoneer I didn't feel any tinge of wanting to be in the wife's Denali, if anything I liked the Jeep interior better, especially the infotainment. With 510hp under the hood it was a hoot to drive. $'s to $'s the Grand Wagoneer was within $10k of a Yukon, the regular Wagoneer could be had for significantly less, but only the 420hp engine available.

The real question, is an extra $5k worth it to go to an X7 M60i over the Grand Wagoneer?

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Well...you will get the legendary Stallantis Reliability...and the GW stellar exterior good looks...if you like those two things, pull the trigger and come back and fill us in. When I bought my XL Denali, I considered the GW, drove one, but the lack of the L version at the time, and the GW price sent me to the Denali.

I don't think they are selling particularly well right now, and are deeply discounted at our local Jeep dealer, so a Bargain may be found. Given the General not exactly lighting up the reliability on their V8's, it may be worth considering. If I had to go again, the MB GLS class would get a serious look from me.

 

[Joseph Garcia]

Thank you for giving us your impressions of the Grand Wagoneer. Much appreciated. Always like to hear impressions about the competition.

 

[Stbentoak]

I've had Jeeps and would have bought one , except for 2 reasons....No Diesel and they peed me off by waiting for it to drop 2 year after they said it was going to be available....I waited and then no diesel...
Went and found the only diesel SUV left.... Pretty well happy but like some of the Waggy's features better for sure....

 

[UsualSuspect]

I have had a few Jeep Wrangler's, still have one sitting in the driveway. It is fun to drive, but the 3.0 liter twin turbo in the Wagoneer has the same achilles heel, the oil cooler, which will start leaking around 60,000 to 100,000 miles. They are notorious for leaking, and are not cheap to replace. The parts are inexpensive, less that $200, it's the labor getting to it, $1,800. It uses coolant to cool the engine oil, if you don't catch a coolant leak when it starts seeping, it will pour out when the seepage turns into a leak. When the leak happens, you will likely end up replacing the head gaskets and heads around $4,500, and if you don't catch it if it's the oil leak side when seepage starts, you will end up replacing the block, $9,500. It's just a bad design that has been around for years, and is on most Penstar and smaller Hemi's. I am not sure if the Hemi V8 has the same issue, but I would rather have a diesel over a gasser if I need a V8, just a personal preference.

 

[DuraYuk]

The wagoner and grand wagoner have giant incentives on them. Like huge for old new product that has been sitting. If you like them roll the dice. Resale will be terrible when they are giving doing 25k off msrp and sometimes more.

The hurricane I6 looks promising. The hemis are reliable enough. I think it's a dud tho. Just like the aspen was.

Stellantis as a whole is in deep trouble. Dodge is doing OK. But Jeep is dying. And the overall conglomerate is having a terrible time.

 

[B520044]

Jeep totally missed a great opportunity with the Wagoneer. I waited for them; but they look like a giant Chevy HHR from the side view. I think the original 60's to 80's models look better.

 

[todayusay]

really surprised ram/dodge still hasn't come out with a Tahoe/Yukon equivalent after all these years. Guess the wagoneer was an attempt, but the low end versions look cheap as all get out and are $10k+ more than a mid level tahoe

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Wagoner is the attempt. They nailed the interior…but …that exterior

 

[malba2366]

really surprised ram/dodge still hasn't come out with a Tahoe/Yukon equivalent after all these years. Guess the wagoneer was an attempt, but the low end versions look cheap as all get out and are $10k+ more than a mid level tahoe

The interior is a lot nicer than the GM products at every price point, until you get up to Escalade. The exterior looks terrible though, manages to be boring and ugly at the same time.

 

[NothEastTahoe]

Buying one of those would be a horrible choice. As @DuraYuk said, they have HUGE incentives. I read an article a week or two ago with dealers dropping almost 40k off of them. Imagine buying one at full price and then seeing it for sale 40k off a few months later. Worse than tesla price cuts.

@malba2366 I hate their pop up screen interior and like the outside of it

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Buying one of those would be a horrible choice. As @DuraYuk said, they have HUGE incentives. I read an article a week or two ago with dealers dropping almost 40k off of them. Imagine buying one at full price and then seeing it for sale 40k off a few months later. Worse than tesla price cuts.

@malba2366 I hate their pop up screen interior and like the outside of it

Well, if you could buy a loaded GW Series III for 80k, it might merit consideration

 

[Tinbadtin]

I had the kid's Jeep; so as one does was in the Jeep dealer getting parts over the weekend .

They had one of the Grand Wagoneer's in stock.
Loaded out, sitting all pretty, so I spent some time with it.

Sitting in the Wagoneer I didn't feel any tinge of wanting to be in the wife's Denali, if anything I liked the Jeep interior better, especially the infotainment. With 510hp under the hood it was a hoot to drive. $'s to $'s the Grand Wagoneer was within $10k of a Yukon, the regular Wagoneer could be had for significantly less, but only the 420hp engine available.

The real question, is an extra $5k worth it to go to an X7 M60i over the Grand Wagoneer?

At a $5k delta, the X7 would be a no brainer, however (and maybe I’m the one out of touch here) but how in the hell is a grand wagoneer priced within $5k of an M60i??

Unless you need more space in/behind the 3rd row, the X7 would obliterate the GW in pretty much every metric. If you want luxury a GLS or X7 (or even the SQ7) all punch above the league the GW or even Escalade sit.

I agree the Stellantis infotainment is way better than GMs, who have been lagging behind for long time. I’m not sure what GM was thinking when they put in whatever it is when the T1xx SUVs debuted. It is slightly better now but we’ll have to wait for the 25 refresh for something that hopefully will be more to industry standard.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

At a $5k delta, the X7 would be a no brainer, however (and maybe I’m the one out of touch here) but how in the hell is a grand wagoneer priced within $5k of an M60i??

Unless you need more space in/behind the 3rd row, the X7 would obliterate the GW in pretty much every metric. If you want luxury a GLS or X7 (or even the SQ7) all punch above the league the GW or even Escalade sit.

I agree the Stellantis infotainment is way better than GMs, who have been lagging behind for long time. I’m not sure what GM was thinking when they put in whatever it is when the T1xx SUVs debuted. It is slightly better now but we’ll have to wait for the 25 refresh for something that hopefully will be more to industry standard.

In 25, you are just going to get what is is in the pickups…still the bug laden Google Based thing we have now…

 

[gatorintx]

Haven't driven a Grand Wagoneer, but we've got a Wagoneer Series III sitting in the driveway. Interior is really nice and at least on par with a Denali. Tows like a beast, with the tow package it's rated for 10k lbs. And the most useful aspect is that it's actually a few inches longer than a standard Tahoe/Yukon, so the trunk space is larger with the third row up. Ours only has 6500 miles though so I can't speak to the reliability yet. If GM ever accepts my Yukon XL AT4 order, I'll write up a comparison, though it won't be totally apples to apples.

 

[vcode]

I would not touch that Turbo 6 for at least a year. Interiors are nice, exteriors not so much.

 

[DuraYuk]

At a $5k delta, the X7 would be a no brainer, however (and maybe I’m the one out of touch here) but how in the hell is a grand wagoneer priced within $5k of an M60i??

Unless you need more space in/behind the 3rd row, the X7 would obliterate the GW in pretty much every metric. If you want luxury a GLS or X7 (or even the SQ7) all punch above the league the GW or even Escalade sit.

I agree the Stellantis infotainment is way better than GMs, who have been lagging behind for long time. I’m not sure what GM was thinking when they put in whatever it is when the T1xx SUVs debuted. It is slightly better now but we’ll have to wait for the 25 refresh for something that hopefully will be more to industry standard.

Size. Those Germans are not big enough.

 

[Big Rig]

I think if you got it in black or got the B and C pillars wrapped gloss black it would flow a lot better. Looks awkward in lighter colors. Interior is dope but I would be skeptical of reliability and looks like lots of stuff that can break.

It is the pillars, right? lol

 

[todayusay]

I think if you got it in black or got the B and C pillars wrapped gloss black it would flow a lot better. Looks awkward in lighter colors. Interior is dope but I would be skeptical of reliability and looks like lots of stuff that can break.

It is the pillars, right? lol

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havent looked that hard at them, but you're right, especially the B pillar. don't see too many vehicles these days that don't have that area wrapped in black so the first and second windows flow together. we have a Ram 2500 tradesman and it doesn't have that area wrapped and definitely cheapens the look of it.

agree the interiors are sharp (sat in a couple that were on the local dealer's showroom floor) all in all the above just look like a stretched ford flex

 

[PPK_]

i am just upgrading from my 3rd WK2 (grand cherokee) back into a yukon.. my last yukon was an '05. jeep is okay.. but limited progress on drive train. limited options. i had three pentastars in 3 wk2s.. and one pentastar in a ram. one had a cracked head. and it was not used to tow or hot rod. it was babied. The wk2 was a ML knockoff... and decent.. but again no real updates from 2009-2021. i skipped on the wagoneer.. as i do not think a turbo charged stelantis engine is a good idea. the fit and finish on zero of my wk2s was anything to brag about. the '21 had some real defects in the plastic liner in the rear hatch. paint is never that great either. would i pick a pentastar over a 5.3 - no way. i think that pentastar is going to better in the long run than a turbo 6 too.