Hatch glass hinge separation

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After an extensive google search, I settled on 3M Windo-Weld (08690).

As I removed the old hinge, I noticed that the original adhesive did not actually adhere the metal hinge itself to the glass, even though there was adhesive between the hinge and glass. Yet, this hinge has lasted 17 years. I also noticed that the adhesive completely covered the hinge and was spread out over 12" (a good 6" both sides of the hinge), and was built up at least 1/8" over the hinge. This had lead me to surmise that the adhesive is not relying on adhering the hinge to the glass, but rather, using the adhesive to keep the hinge clamped to the glass. With this in mind, this is what I did:

1) Cleaned off all surfaces as much as I could, reasonably. I used a drum sander on my dremel which made quick work of removing old adhesive, even down to the glass. I did use a rotary brush on the hinge to remove as much old adhesive as I could. I removed enough old adhesive on the glass so that I could build it up again over the hinge, but left enough so that I could easily locate the hinge in its original position.

2) Washed the entire area with water. Because the area being repaired was well sanded, I felt it wasn't necessary to use any detergent or other solvent. In fact, the urethane sealant cures better with a little moisture.

3) Warmed up the tube of 3M 08690 inside a ziplock bag, in a sink of hot water.

4) Applied some painters tape to prevent over covering the area with adhesive.

5) Applied adhesive generously to the glass where the base would be located.

6) Pressed, by hand, the hinge to the glass, and wriggled it into position until I could feel it "lock" into the original position.

7) Applied more adhesive so that I would have a good 1/8" on top of the hinge, and spread it out about 3" past the sides of the hinge. I also smoothed it over as best I could with my gloved hand. The repair doesn't look pretty, but no one will be looking at it.

8) Set up a heater to increase the curing temperature to 90°F. A cure to 150 psi will be achieved between two to four hours, depending on relative humidity.

It is sitting curing right now, so I don't actually know if this is going to work or not. But, judging from what others have done, this repair with this adhesive has lasted several years.

It's my understanding that JBweld will crack out as soon as the heat expands the metal hinge. The only reasonable adhesive to use is this stuff from 3M, as far as I know.
 
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There is something else I noticed about the old hinge mounting. The adhesive from the factory did NOT cover the hinge very well. The hinge has several holes that get filled with the urethane adhesive, and covered over the a good 1/8" of adhesive. The holes of the hinge were visible on this hinge. The holes on the other hinge, which is still holding, are not visible, and still well covered.

What could this mean? If your hinge has not yet separated, you might be able to prevent a hinge failure by examining the hinge. If the adhesive does not adequately cover the hinge base, you could try lightly sanding the adhesive, and applying more on top of the original adhesive. If the original adhesive is urethane, and you use the 3M 08690, it might bond well enough to prevent the hinge from separating.

Just a thought, and could be worth trying.
 
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I just finished installing the glass into the truck. The urethane is still very squishy, but not tacky. The hinge does not move. I'll leave the glass lift struts off for awhile until the urethane has set up completely.

I had a heck of a time lining up the holes to insert the hatch, but I got it in finally.
 

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I've heard of this happening to a LOT of Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban owners. Thankfully, I have not had any issues with mine. But then again, I have probably only actually opened my rear glass about a dozen times at most during the entire time owning my truck, and I've had it since 2006. I usually just open the entire rear hatch, not just the glass.
 
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We use the hatch a lot, so maybe that's why it failed. There's nothing like having the entire contents of the cargo area fall out the back when you're parked on an upwards slope. Cargo nets help, but aren't perfect.
 
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So far so good. The urethane adhesive is setting up slowly and doesn't "squish" by hand like it did on the 2nd day. I still haven't put the lift struts in yet. I'll wait a little longer, until the adhesive hardens up close to the original (other side).

As far as I can tell, the 3M 08690 seems to be the only stuff to use.
 

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So far so good. The urethane adhesive is setting up slowly and doesn't "squish" by hand like it did on the 2nd day. I still haven't put the lift struts in yet. I'll wait a little longer, until the adhesive hardens up close to the original (other side).

As far as I can tell, the 3M 08690 seems to be the only stuff to use.
Wait... it’s been 8 days and it’s still not hard? I don’t think that’s normal.
Edit: full cure on it (500 psi) is 9 hours.
 
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It may have a full cure now, but it is on the cool side here in BC.

It's possible this is now fully cured and won't harden any further. I just want to make absolutely sure it has hardened fully before putting the strain of the lift struts on.

I did read elsewhere that some one experienced this"slow" cure.
 
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Well, that repair lasted only a year. In the fall of 2020 the same hinge gave away. As I understand it, there is a primer I should have used on the old urethane sealant to ensure a good bond, or make sure I remove ALL urethane sealant.

I also know that a 2005 hatch also fits, but the hinges are mounted differently and more securely onto the glass. Unfortunately, I've been waiting for 8 months for one of these to show up at the auto recyclers, but none have show up yet. So, it looks like I'll need to do the repair once again, and hope I can make it last a little longer.
 

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This happened to me as well. I cleaned up the hinge and glass surface and used JB Weld. Clamped it for 48 hours. It's been 4 years and still holding.

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Either you never use the hatch, or you are very lucky with the JBWeld. Anyone else who has used it found that the JBWeld is so brittle it cracks away after.

I plan to redo mine this summer, but do a more thorough cleaning up down to bare glass. My only concern is how do I make sure the hinge goes onto the exact right spot. I'm hoping I can remove all the old adhesive except for a small bit at each corner. Also, I believe there is an adhesion promoter you can get for the urethane adhesive.

Note: 3M 08682 seems to be the primer to use.
 
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Wow, 2 years later....

I finally just replaced the rear hatch glass with one from a 2006 with the upgraded hinge. This seems to introduce a new problem though. It does latch, but seems to be ever so slightly loose when latched. Is there an adjustment for the latch? I believe if the latch could hold the glass in about another 1/16" it would be about perfect.
 
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When I looked more closely, I noted that the glass isn't square on the liftgate, so one of the hinges does need adjustment. If the hinge for the hatch on the liftgate is adjustable, I may be able to adjust the hatch so it sits square on the liftgate. Has anyone made such an adjustment?
 
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When I said that the 2006 glass isn't square on the liftgate, I had only one of the two struts installed on the hatch glass. Now that I installed both struts, the hatch sits squarely on the liftgate. However, when I press the release button, the hatch doesn't pop open. I have to lift the glass while holding the button down.
 

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When I said that the 2006 glass isn't square on the liftgate, I had only one of the two struts installed on the hatch glass. Now that I installed both struts, the hatch sits squarely on the liftgate. However, when I press the release button, the hatch doesn't pop open. I have to lift the glass while holding the button down.
might be time for new struts
 
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might be time for new struts
Possibly. When I had the broken hinge on the old glass, I did remove one strut to take the pressure off the broken hinge. Because I had indeed misplaced the strut, I had to buy a new one. Also, the struts don't provide any lift in the fully closed position. IOW, it would never just fly open the moment you pop the button. Also, the old glass, even with the broken hinge, would pop past the latch so I wouldn't have to press the button and lift at the same time. This would happen even with one strut removed.

I do suspect the 2006 glass does fit every so slightly differently. It's not so much that I want to adjust the hinge now. I might add a thin washer under the latch mechanism bolts to set it back very slightly.
 

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Thanks for the update. The hinge on my glass is starting to separate on my 2001. I already have a 2003 Escalade rear glass, (which I have listed on here for sale actually) so I was just going to install that one. But just two days ago I was in my local junkyard and they had a 2006 Yukon with the updated rear glass. I went ahead and bought that glass, because I don't want to install the Escalade glass and be in the same situation 5 years from now with the hinges separating from the glass again.
 

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I've heard of this happening to a LOT of Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban owners. Thankfully, I have not had any issues with mine. But then again, I have probably only actually opened my rear glass about a dozen times at most during the entire time owning my truck, and I've had it since 2006. I usually just open the entire rear hatch, not just the glass.
Just quoting my own post now from 4 years ago. I have to eat my words be a use just last week I noticed my window not sitting right, and sure enough the right side hinge is separating from the glass.
 
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Just so everyone knows (I didn't before I got my 2006 glass), the hinge on the 2006+ hatch glass is also glued to the glass. But, the amount of surface area that is glued is much more which is probably why it doesn't separate like the pre-2006.
 
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I made an interesting observation this weekend which may explain why the hatch doesn't pop open. I compered the latch mechanism with my Explorer hatch which has a very similar mechanism. The piece inside the latch that actually holds the hatch closed moves smoothly and freely in the Explorer. As a result, when the button is pressed, this lever piece has the ability to pop the glass open. This same lever piece (sorry I really don't know what it might be called) does not move freely. I have tried lubricating it to no avail.

I will try to take a picture sometime, but if some one else has encountered the same issue and has a solution, I'd appreciate that very much.
 

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