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[cardude2000]

2011?View attachment 277774

Yes. Net petroleum exports hit in 2011.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=5290


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[cardude2000]

Whose green energy programView attachment 277775

Bush’s clean energy fund under obamas Dept of energy.

Before they duped the govt they scammed 2x as much from private industry including Walmart heirs.

Again, some loans go bad. But bushes fund, which continued under obama was profitable.

https://fortune.com/2015/08/27/remember-solyndra-mistake/amp/


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[cardude2000]

I don’t know if you noticed, but there is no such thing as real news anymore. They’re all propaganda or entertainment. They are filled with insults when you disagree with their line. How can several “news” stations have several different guests on and have them all say the same things, almost word for word. It’s seems like they all pick up a script.

That’s too bad that the media you consume is like that.

Maybe this is a good start? Anything on TV isn’t worth getting news from IMO. I’d stick with print or online journalism.

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings


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[cardude2000]

Hey all, agree with cardude or get insulted. What a stupid way to make people see your side. Makes you look limited and invalidates whatever point you had.

I have no belief that I will make people “see my side”.

Some will find any excuse to deny something especially when their worldview and identity is wrapped in a political ideology.


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[cardude2000]

Lastly, you’re right and I’ve never disagreed that EV are coming, but the current tech make them more trouble than they are worth.

And?


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[Blueinterceptor]

Yes. Net petroleum exports hit in 2011.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=5290


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Did you read the article. It said we exported more petroleum products. It also said that we exported distillate fuels such as diesel, made from Canadian oil.
It says we were still a net importer of crude oil. Plastics are petroleum products.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

Bush said no to any money to bail out Solyndra. Obama gave them 500plus million
Private investors do what private investors do.
The point is not to invest govt money in schemes, that politicians get the kickback from in the form of a contribution.

I don’t know if you noticed but I quoted two pretty left leaning news sources

there is a difference between petroleum product and Energy. Plastic is a petroleum product

I do wish to thank you though. It’s rare to get stimulating debates

 

[cardude2000]

Did you read the article. It said we exported more petroleum products. It also said that we exported distillate fuels such as diesel, made from Canadian oil.
It says we were still a net importer of crude oil. Plastics are petroleum products.

Right. The point is our path to “energy independence” has been happening to decades and includes 40% renewables/nuclear today. Shale oil is a big part of it too. No doubt.

Either way I’m not sure what any of this has to do with EV’s being the technology of the future.

I’m at a dealer today about to test out a hybrid with full EV capabilities for short (25 mile) range. Very cool stuff. I just wish people wouldn’t politicize EVERYTHING. It’s technology that isn’t going away and the majority of Americans would already consider an EV for their next vehicle purchase.


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[cardude2000]

Bush said no to any money to bail out Solyndra. Obama gave them 500plus million
Private investors do what private investors do.
The point is not to invest govt money in schemes, that politicians get the kickback from in the form of a contribution.

I don’t know if you noticed but I quoted two pretty left leaning news sources

there is a difference between petroleum product and Energy. Plastic is a petroleum product

I do wish to thank you though. It’s rare to get stimulating debates

The loan to Solyndra was applied for and fast tracked during the Bush administration. I’m not arguing that it was finalized after he was out of office.

$500 million in bad loans is nothing compared to trillions in bad wars that are nothing more than boondoggles to ensure we have cheap fuel for inefficient combustion...

The point I was making is that regardless of administration the government has always put its hand on the scale of technology and industry that it believes is the right long-term choice for the country.

And agreed. Thanks for staying civil. Some back and forth jabs are always fun and I’m glad you can hang without stomping off!


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[Blueinterceptor]

The loan to Solyndra was applied for and fast tracked during the Bush administration. I’m not arguing that it was finalized after he was out of office.
$500 million in bad loans is nothing compared to trillions in bad wars that are nothing more than boondoggles to ensure we have cheap fuel for inefficient combustion...

The point I was making is that regardless of administration the government has always put its hand on the scale of technology and industry that it believes is the right long-term choice for the country.

And agreed. Thanks for staying civil. Some back and forth jabs are always fun and I’m glad you can hang without stomping off!


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I love a good debate.
Things are politicized because of who pushes the agenda. This agenda belongs solely to the AOC side if you will. And the resulting fear of her, cow tails the adults in the room from saying no, or to use caution in moving forward.
If it’s true that the republicans retake the house in 22 the agenda is dead. They have limited time

 

[cardude2000]

Duplicate. But why not add a space laser for fun anyway.

 

[cardude2000]

I love a good debate.
Things are politicized because of who pushes the agenda. This agenda belongs solely to the AOC side if you will. And the resulting fear of her, cow tails the adults in the room from saying no, or to use caution in moving forward.
If it’s true that the republicans retake the house in 22 the agenda is dead. They have limited time

I don’t listen to fear based cable/radio entertainment news so I’m out of touch with some of what you’re talking about above.

Whether or not republicans/Dems continue to shovel money at oil wars and a finite resource or whether scary Jr. Reps push for more rebates or want to harness the power of space lasers...EV’s trajectory won’t materially change.

As noted, the majority of Americans will consider buying them on their next purchase and every major manufacturer will have hybrids and full EV’s as a material part of their core lineup within the next 24-48 months.

The game is over.

People can either enjoy the new technology or scream “get off my lawn”.


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[Quark]

I think someone is emotionally invested.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

 

[Stbentoak]

We are upgrading both of our vehicles this year. I want one more shot at great fuel based engines. Most mfgr's won't be putting any more investment in fossil fuel engines, so this year and next is about as good as it is going to get for mainstream vehicles.
When we look at new ones again in 5-7 years, the landscape will be vastly changed. whether we like it or not, EV vehicles are in our future....

 

[Fireman591]

We are upgrading both of our vehicles this year. I want one more shot at great fuel based engines. Most mfgr's won't be putting any more investment in fossil fuel engines, so this year and next is about as good as it is going to get for mainstream vehicles.
When we look at new ones again in 5-7 years, the landscape will be vastly changed. whether we like it or not, EV vehicles are in our future....

I have a feeling Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge will still offer cool vehicles. I am looking hard at that Durango with the Hellcat engine. It beat a stock C8 Corvette in the 1/4 mile LOL. The customers will decide what sells and what doesn't. I thought GM would have learned this after the Roger Smith years when they pushed the J platform on just about everything including a Cadillac

 

[cardude2000]

I have a feeling Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge will still offer cool vehicles. I am looking hard at that Durango with the Hellcat engine. It beat a stock C8 Corvette in the 1/4 mile LOL. The customers will decide what sells and what doesn't. I thought GM would have learned this after the Roger Smith years when they pushed the J platform on just about everything including a Cadillac

https://carbuzz.com/news/dodge-says-the-future-of-the-muscle-car-is-electric

“An area that Dodge has excelled at for decades with models such as the Challenger SRT Hellcat. However, Tim Kuniskis, head of Dodge, believes that the future of muscle cars lies with EVs, and he makes a pretty good case.”


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[Fireman591]

https://carbuzz.com/news/dodge-says-the-future-of-the-muscle-car-is-electric

“An area that Dodge has excelled at for decades with models such as the Challenger SRT Hellcat. However, Tim Kuniskis, head of Dodge, believes that the future of muscle cars lies with EVs, and he makes a pretty good case.”


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I am all for EV sports cars but come on EV trucks and large SUVs? No offense but how in the hell are you going to get any range towing a load? Why do I have a feeling I'll be towing my 5th wheel with the generator running and charging my truck battery at the same time in the future LOL Hopefully a charge and roll option is available LOL Lithium Ion batteries are not an option if you plan on towing. Hopefully solid state batteries will take off and become the norm soon.

 

[Stbentoak]

No one really know where this is going concerning vehicle that tow and haul large loads. Personally, If I had a prized RV or 5th wheel, I'd buy the last year that a Cummins was available and ride it for 10+ years.
Another issue as EV comes on is generating capacity. It has been proven that if 90% of Calif switched to EV, they would be woefully short in generating capacity to power all the vehicles in garages, let alone its industry base....

 

[cardude2000]

It has been proven that if 90% of Calif switched to EV, they would be woefully short in generating capacity to power all the vehicles in garages, let alone its industry base....

*If the changeover was today all at once and zero upgrades were made to the grid and capacity.


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