5.3 DoD Delete Stock Replacement Cam -- What's the Verdict

[TNBob]

Hi Y’All,

Newbie here, looking to benefit from your collective wisdom and experience. I have a 2013 Tahoe (5.3 LMG) that dropped a DoD lifter, so I’m looking at DoD delete with VVT retained. The Tahoe’s a daily driver, with occasional light towing, and all I’m looking for is stock performance (certainly no worse, maybe a tad better) with maximum reliability and longevity. I’ve learned a ton from reading past threads, but I can’t pin down the answer to this question: what’s the best “stock replacement” cam for a 5.3 with VVT but no DoD? I’m hoping to hear from people who’ve actually done the deed about real-world experiences.

The stock LMG cam specs are 196/201, 0.482/0.482, 116+2. Here are the options among GM cams.

• 12689035 (190/191, 0.466/0.457, 114). This one is the default “stock replacement” cam sold with many DoD kits, but it is a bit anemic. It is the same cam used in the LMF 5.3 engine (VVT but no DoD, found in Express/Savana vans), which is down about 15 hp and 15 ft-lb from the LMG.

• 12626660 (196/208, 0.467/0.479, 116, also reported as 193/200, 0.476/0.476, 116). This one is the L96 (6.0 L) cam. It seems to be a popular choice because it is closer in spec to the LMG cam, and it can be had for a little over $100.

• 12623065 (198/209, 0.500/0.500, 115). This one is the L9H (6.2 L) cam. It is a bit hotter than stock, and one or two people on the forum seem to have used it without problem. On the down side, it is spendy (>$300). The jury is out on whether stiffer valve springs are needed (not used stock, and don't want to go there).

So, what’s your experience? Which cam did you go with, and how does she run? Did you tune or not (I’d rather keep stock tune)?

Thanks for any experiences you can share!

 

[Dustin Jackson]

L33 cam

Update: L33 cam is a direct non-AFM replacement for the LMG cam.

 

[TNBob]

Dustin,

Thanks! I should have included the L33 on the popular choices list. It's a 3-bolt cam, though, so not compatible with VVT. I'd like to keep VVT. The L33 cam would be good for my other ride (08 Sierra LY5), which I expect to undergo a DOD delete at some point. DOD has been trouble-free for 207k miles on that one, so I haven't been forced into a repair. I will do a software delete on that one and hope for the best.

 

[Trey Hardy]

Dustin,

Thanks! I should have included the L33 on the popular choices list. It's a 3-bolt cam, though, so not compatible with VVT. I'd like to keep VVT. The L33 cam would be good for my other ride (08 Sierra LY5), which I expect to undergo a DOD delete at some point. DOD has been trouble-free for 207k miles on that one, so I haven't been forced into a repair. I will do a software delete on that one and hope for the best.

I got a 3 bolt cam in my 07 out of a 99 Silverado I got used from a buddy all you need is the adapter for it and it’ll work just fine

 

[Dustin Jackson]

Didn’t realize the LMG came with VVT in newer revisions, I have the 08 LMG

 

[iamdub]

Didn’t realize the LMG came with VVT in newer revisions, I have the 08 LMG

Yup- '09+. Although, technically, it might be late '09 as the '10 model year.

 

[petethepug]

You got some PDQ and damn good info there. Love this game place.

 

[swathdiver]

Didn’t realize the LMG came with VVT in newer revisions, I have the 08 LMG

MY 2010 introduced VVT in the LC9 and LMG. This gave them a new camshaft grind and notched pistons which resulted in slightly lower compression ratio.

 

[TNBob]

Thanks, Swathdiver, that is right. The valve reliefs drop the ratio from 9.9 to 9.6. It's about 3 cc per piston.

The VVT cams definitely have longer exhaust duration, I guess its so she can breathe easier when the cam gets retarded. As I understand the VVT, is parked at full advance, and the phaser can only move it back.

 

[Foggy]

Thanks, Swathdiver, that is right. The valve reliefs drop the ratio from 9.9 to 9.6. It's about 3 cc per piston.

The VVT cams definitely have longer exhaust duration, I guess its so she can breathe easier when the cam gets retarded. As I understand the VVT, is parked at full advance, and the phaser can only move it back.

The camshaft in our engines is "parked" at ZERO.. The VVT can only retard the cam timing.
It generally does this at higher RPM to make our 'little' cams seem "larger" at more rpm.
The factory cams are really small & that's OK with VVT because they can act like a big boy cam
when commanded to do so.

 

[TNBob]

The camshaft in our engines is "parked" at ZERO.. The VVT can only retard the cam timing.
It generally does this at higher RPM to make our 'little' cams seem "larger" at more rpm.
The factory cams are really small & that's OK with VVT because they can act like a big boy cam
when commanded to do so.

Yes, by full advance, I meant zero, but zero is precise! Like the description of how it works.

 

[Seanslane]

did you ever figure out what cam you wanted? I am going through the same deal right now. Mine is a 2017 Tahoe. Still trying to find out what engine I have. Hahaha. I was just going to put exactly what came out and keep it stock. Run good motor oil and hope for the best. I didn’t know there was a stock GM cam that was a dod delete?

 

[Ivanhoe]

Hello,
I appreciate its a few months later.

I have the same engine (lmg) and used a L96 cam, removed DOD but kept vvt.

 

[mikez71]

So L96 cam is closest to stock LMG? Notice any difference?

 

[Ivanhoe]

@mikez71 No noticeable difference, runs fine. I saw it on several sites as part of a dod delete package.

 

[solli5pack]

I used this one when I did the delete. Truck runs great and I do not notice the loss in H.P...

• 12689035 (190/191, 0.466/0.457, 114). This one is the default “stock replacement” cam sold with many DoD kits, but it is a bit anemic. It is the same cam used in the LMF 5.3 engine (VVT but no DoD, found in Express/Savana vans), which is down about 15 hp and 15 ft-lb from the LMG.

 

[swathdiver]

Gwatney and Cam Motion have Gen IV VVT camshafts.

You don't need a spring upgrade with .500 lift.

 

[Geotrash]

Gwatney and Cam Motion have Gen IV VVT camshafts.

You don't need a spring upgrade with .500 lift.

I love my Cam Motion cam, but I just checked and they don't yet make a VVT camshaft. Texas Speed and BTR I believe both *do*, however.