HELP!!! Bilstein 5100s on a AWD Denali with Z55

[0862]

Has anyone on here successfully installed Bilstien 5100s on a Yukon Denali or any other SUV with the Z55 suspension?

If so, I need some guidance!

 

[wjburken]

Has anyone on here successfully installed Bilstien 5100s on a Yukon Denali or any other SUV with the Z55 suspension?

If so, I need some guidance!

Lots of people have put Bilsteins on their Yukon’s. However, you will not have the Autoride function, which changes the damping rate of your shocks, anymore and will need to get a resister pack so you don’t get a suspension error code.

I am assuming you also have Auto Level Control where an air compressor inflated airbags in your rear shocks to level the vehicle. You will lose this also if you put Bilsteins in the rear.

 

[0862]

Lots of people have put Bilsteins on their Yukon’s. However, you will not have the Autoride function, which changes the damping rate of your shocks, anymore and will need to get a resister pack so you don’t get a suspension error code.

I am assuming you also have Auto Level Control where an air compressor inflated airbags in your rear shocks to level the vehicle. You will lose this also if you put Bilsteins in the rear.

I’m aware I will lose the autoride function. The problem I’m having is I took it to a shop to do the suspension work since I don’t have to tools to do it at home, plus it will need an alignment anyway. The shop is telling me they can’t use the bilstein struts on my truck because it has the Z55 suspension, and that the geometry of the control arms and other stuff is different from the non z55 trucks. Also the bilstein struts require the stock springs and spring seats, but the spring seats from my Z55 struts don’t fit, and I can’t seem to find just the spring seat anywhere. Now It seems like I’m stuck trying to find some non z55 struts from a scrap yard and use the seats from those, or ditch the Bilsteins all together and go with the Arnott kit.

 

[wcreech19]

I'm definitely following this thread since I'm looking to put Bilstein 5100's on my '08 Tahoe LTZ 4X4. I haven't heard this problem before though. Hope someone can chime in.

 

[Fless]

Has anyone on here successfully installed Bilstien 5100s on a Yukon Denali or any other SUV with the Z55 suspension?

If so, I need some guidance!

You're considering 5100s because it's lifted?

 

[DenaliReyes]

I'm definitely following this thread since I'm looking to put Bilstein 5100's on my '08 Tahoe LTZ 4X4. I haven't heard this problem before though. Hope someone can chime in.

Same lol

 

[0862]

You're considering 5100s because it's lifted?

No, It’s lowered right now, I’m wanting to take it back to stock height but +1” or so in the front.

I’ve been on the phone with Bilstein and GM and they both confirmed the overall suspension is different between autoride and non autoride trucks. Bilstien said they CANNOT recommend any of their products for the Z55 suspension trucks, because they never tested their products as a direct replacement. GM also told me the control arms are different, but could not say if they’re just made from a different material or have different dimensions as well. I also haven’t found anyone who has successfully installed bilsteins or any replacement strut for a NON Z55 truck on a Z55.

At this point I’m about ready to return the 5100s and go with the Arnott Kit and a leveling spacer.

 

[Dustin Jackson]

I’m aware I will lose the autoride function. The problem I’m having is I took it to a shop to do the suspension work since I don’t have to tools to do it at home, plus it will need an alignment anyway. The shop is telling me they can’t use the bilstein struts on my truck because it has the Z55 suspension, and that the geometry of the control arms and other stuff is different from the non z55 trucks. Also the bilstein struts require the stock springs and spring seats, but the spring seats from my Z55 struts don’t fit, and I can’t seem to find just the spring seat anywhere. Now It seems like I’m stuck trying to find some non z55 struts from a scrap yard and use the seats from those, or ditch the Bilsteins all together and go with the Arnott kit.

@0862 Most of what they are saying sounds incorrect except for that last part. To install you do need the stock spring and spring seat from the factory non-air ride strut. Other than that the bilsteins should fit just fine. I recommend looking on craigslist for a used set of factory struts that you can take those parts from. A someone who just did this I recommend buying new MOOG spring upper and lower insulators to go along with this. Just find some used stock struts to get those parts from and you'll be fine. I just replaced my entire suspension myself with MOOG HD springs and Bilsteins let me know if you have any questions.

Additionally when looking for parts online I see no parts that specify between Z55 and Z71 suspension which leads me to think that they are the same. Maybe @iamdub can clarify.

 

[0862]

@0862 Most of what they are saying sounds incorrect except for that last part. To install you do need the stock spring and spring seat from the factory non-air ride strut. Other than that the bilsteins should fit just fine. I recommend looking on craigslist for a used set of factory struts that you can take those parts from. A someone who just did this I recommend buying new MOOG spring upper and lower insulators to go along with this. Just find some used stock struts to get those parts from and you'll be fine. I just replaced my entire suspension myself with MOOG HD springs and Bilsteins let me know if you have any questions.

Additionally when looking for parts online I see no parts that specify between Z55 and Z71 suspension which leads me to think that they are the same. Maybe @iamdub can clarify.

Good to know. Is yours a Z71? And are those factory auto-ride struts like the Z55 suspension? I really want to make the Bilsteins work, even if that means swapping control arms. I just want to know what I need to make it work.

 

[Dustin Jackson]

Good to know. Is yours a Z71? And are those factory auto-ride struts like the Z55 suspension? I really want to make the Bilsteins work, even if that means swapping control arms. I just want to know what I need to make it work.

@0862 Mine is a Z71 that uses basic springs and shocks. After looking around there is only 1 type of control arm for these trucks so I am confident that the control arms and knuckles are the same for Z55 and Z71

I recommend picking up a set of used stock struts from somewhere so you can get the parts to install the bilsteins. You will also need these LINK resistors that you will wire in to disable the autoride sensors and keep it from yelling at you when you install the bilsteins. From there you will need to get springs for the front and rear, I recommend MOOG 81244 for the front and 81069 for the rear, these are taller than stock but you will need springs because the airride springs won't work with the bilsteins.

recap:
used factory struts (to take hardware from) $50 from craigslist
bilstein 5100s
MOOG 81244 for the front
MOOG 81069 for the rear
Resistors I linked above.

You should be good after that. With those parts it will sit taller than stock if thats ok. I only know part numbers for heavy duty part numbers because thats what I put on my Z71.

 

[TXSpeed418DXL]

Sorry to dig up a thread, not sure if you figured out your situation, but i used the factory spring seat from my DXL. Dont know why they think you need the other one. I used the 5100 adjustable strut on the lowest ring and put in a 1.5 spacer. My truck is looking awesome. Should have it all buttoned up soon.

 

[TXSpeed418DXL]

Through a set of moog uca's at her. Budget didnt allow for anything fancier. Seats slid right off my factory strut and slipped on the billy with no problem at all.

 

[Dustin Jackson]

Through a set of moog uca's at her. Budget didnt allow for anything fancier. Seats slid right off my factory strut and slipped on the billy with no problem at all.

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@TXSpeed418DXL I will be due for new ball joints when summer is over, how was the install and are the MOOGs any good? I have seen a couple people saying to stay away from MOOG but I assume they were using their economy line or products.

 

[bobsburban]

Sorry to dig up a thread, not sure if you figured out your situation, but i used the factory spring seat from my DXL. Dont know why they think you need the other one. I used the 5100 adjustable strut on the lowest ring and put in a 1.5 spacer....

Curious about this issue as well; my shop had no problem installing new 5100s and HD Moog rear coils on a 2011 Suburban LTZ as a direct replacement for the Z55 setup. Front perches are set on the first ring from bottom, no spacers. Truck is lifted 1.5-ish inches all around. Looks good as does yours. Will post pix after I get rid of the 20" rims and put my new Grabber AT-X 275/65-18s on it. I found a set of 2017 Silverado Z71 18" takeoffs for wheels. Waiting on the shop to clear a few minutes in the next couple of days to get them mounted and balanced.

Ride is much better than the blown out Z55 stuff and it pulls an 18' Winnebago like a champ.

 

[M4mckeen]

So then is it possible to buy a lift kit for these rigs while deleting the air ride function?


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[MattC259]

Curious about this issue as well; my shop had no problem installing new 5100s and HD Moog rear coils on a 2011 Suburban LTZ as a direct replacement for the Z55 setup. Front perches are set on the first ring from bottom, no spacers. Truck is lifted 1.5-ish inches all around. Looks good as does yours. Will post pix after I get rid of the 20" rims and put my new Grabber AT-X 275/65-18s on it. I found a set of 2017 Silverado Z71 18" takeoffs for wheels. Waiting on the shop to clear a few minutes in the next couple of days to get them mounted and balanced.

Ride is much better than the blown out Z55 stuff and it pulls an 18' Winnebago like a champ.

So I'm finally about to be handed down an 07 Suburban LTZ 4WD (Autoride/Magneride deleted). Have SuspensionMaxx 2.5/1.5 ready and waiting. Planning on doing Moog front/rear springs and 5100's all around. Are you running the 81069 in front and rear, or just rear? Are people typically doing 81071 front and 81069 rear? Can anyone confirm the 5100's are 187237 and 186643? The Bilstein site doesn't help. Thanks in advance.

 

[Dustin Jackson]

So I'm finally about to be handed down an 07 Suburban LTZ 4WD (Autoride/Magneride deleted). Have SuspensionMaxx 2.5/1.5 ready and waiting. Planning on doing Moog front/rear springs and 5100's all around. Are you running the 81069 in front and rear, or just rear? Are people typically doing 81071 front and 81069 rear? Can anyone confirm the 5100's are 187237 and 186643? The Bilstein site doesn't help. Thanks in advance.

@MattC259 Moog 81244 is the front spring to be paired with the Moog 81069 rear spring. When I got my 5100s the part numbers were: front: 24-186940 rear: 24-187237. I hope that helps. I personally installed them on my rig so I am very familiar with the process.

 

[bobsburban]

... Planning on doing Moog front/rear springs and 5100's all around. Are you running the 81069 in front and rear, or just rear?

I just did the rear springs for now; fronts seem fine and I'm not adding an aftermarket bumper or other weight-adding accessory up front just yet. I'll get the matching front springs if/when I do go with a winch and bumper but that's down the road a bit. I think you'll like the Moog/Bilstein combo, especially when you're not replacing air shocks in 70k miles...

 

[MattC259]

@MattC259 Moog 81244 is the front spring to be paired with the Moog 81069 rear spring. When I got my 5100s the part numbers were: front: 24-186940 rear: 24-187237. I hope that helps. I personally installed them on my rig so I am very familiar with the process.

Thanks! Will post pics when it’s done.

 

[MattC259]

I just did the rear springs for now; fronts seem fine and I'm not adding an aftermarket bumper or other weight-adding accessory up front just yet. I'll get the matching front springs if/when I do go with a winch and bumper but that's down the road a bit. I think you'll like the Moog/Bilstein combo, especially when you're not replacing air shocks in 70k miles...

Thanks! Looking forward to getting it all done. Will post experience when completed.