Tires that don’t suck

[Bob2C]

60K easy, most in the 70s and 80s, some break 100K according to the reviewers on TireRack with our GM Wagons.

Ok. Thanks. Looking at the Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season plus II as well. Reviews seem ok. Any thoughts?


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[Danny3737]

I say the exact same thing. It may sound silly, but add wipers to that list.

Two things I do NOT go cheap on: Tires and brakes....

I have Michelin Defenders and LOVE the ride.

 

[swathdiver]

Ok. Thanks. Looking at the Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season plus II as well. Reviews seem ok. Any thoughts?


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No direct experience with the Pirelli. When I used to sell tires, Perellis were one of, if not tops, as far as performance tires went. They were not known then for their longevity but they kept the supercars planted during high speed maneuvers.

 

[Bob2C]

No direct experience with the Pirelli. When I used to sell tires, Perellis were one of, if not tops, as far as performance tires went. They were not known then for their longevity but they kept the supercars planted during high speed maneuvers.

Great thanks. Just not liking their tread pattern though. I also read that the OEM tire composition is different from say buying them later on from a tire shop even though it’s the same model tire. I read many reviews where people say their OEM tires don’t last but the same model purchased say through tire rack gets almost double wear. Any truth to that?


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[swathdiver]

Great thanks. Just not liking their tread pattern though. I also read that the OEM tire composition is different from say buying them later on from a tire shop even though it’s the same model tire. I read many reviews where people say their OEM tires don’t last but the same model purchased say through tire rack gets almost double wear. Any truth to that?

Generally speaking, yes. The cop tires that come on the PPVs have a different part number than the ones usually advertised as being for them for example. They do not perform the same. Have also seen guys break 80K to 100K miles on the OE Bridgestones and then some get half that on the next go round and others report the same as the originals.

The KO2s all now have a warranty but there is/was also a set without the snow/ice rating that had an even better warranty as it was a harder compound tire though the tread is the same.

It's hard to beat the Michelins, they've had nearly the same tread design for 25 years now and still are tops for a touring/highway tire that can go 80K miles.

 

[sealandsky]

are these good tires for ride, stopping distance and quiet?

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If you are buying the Alenza's, then I'd recommend upgrading to the "H" rated version. Better for the high speed freeway runs in Texas summer heat.

 

[sealandsky]

I only got 35K miles out of a set of Defenders (22s). That ticked me off enough to give something else a try. Not a fan of the factory Bridgestone Alenza (haven't tried their 80K Alenza Plus). I have 3-4K on the Nokian One HT. They don't ride better than the Defender, but I wouldn't say worse either. Handling is just as good, but slightly more road noise. I'm pretty sure I'm going to love this tire in the snow. We got 10" this week in MN where I am, but I didn't get a chance to test it.

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Hey neighbor!

 

[R Black]

Many here love the Micheline Defender in this size. I have cooper AT3 4S on mine but they are extra load so they ride a bit harsher than the Bridgestone tires they replaced.

What's the max pressure on the sidewall of your Coops? I bought new tires at 2200 miles (shredded the fake tires that came on the car) but the max press. is only 44, I'm thinking they can't be '8ply' rated LT tires, and that's what I'm looking for.

Non of the factory recommendations show an LT tire. Disconcerting.

 

[George B]

@R Black
50 psi

 

[R Black]

@R Black
50 psi

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On bigger rims though.

See, I'm thinkin' basically unless tires are labeled "LT" they won't be 8 ply equivs.
6ply equiv LT tires are the MINIMUM anyone will run out west on even gravel roads. The ranchers out there usually run 8ply equivalents. I could be wrong but basically 4 ply equivalents are pass. veh tires at a max of about 50psi, 6 ply equiv. LT tires might be max press. 60psi and 8 ply equivalent LT tires will be around 80psi.

BFG A/T tires are usually 6ply equivalent (3 plys that count as 6)

On my 1996 Tahoe, my old Coopers, two sets, forgot the model name both All Terrain tires had a make press. of 80psi.
You could run all day at 85mph and be assured you could also drive on railroad ballast for hours and never get a flat.

I find it confounding that no Light Truck rated tire is spec'd out for these nearly 5k lb SUVs.

Disturbing.

 

[George B]

On bigger rims though.

See, I'm thinkin' basically unless tires are labeled "LT" they won't be 8 ply equivs.
6ply equiv LT tires are the MINIMUM anyone will run out west on even gravel roads. The ranchers out there usually run 8ply equivalents. I could be wrong but basically 4 ply equivalents are pass. veh tires at a max of about 50psi, 6 ply equiv. LT tires might be max press. 60psi and 8 ply equivalent LT tires will be around 80psi.

BFG A/T tires are usually 6ply equivalent (3 plys that count as 6)

On my 1996 Tahoe, my old Coopers, two sets, forgot the model name both All Terrain tires had a make press. of 80psi.
You could run all day at 85mph and be assured you could also drive on railroad ballast for hours and never get a flat.

I find it confounding that no Light Truck rated tire is spec'd out for these nearly 5k lb SUVs.

Disturbing.

I used to always go by the ply rating and/or load rating but found that the way tire manufacturers rate and build tires seems to have changed. The old alpha load ratings of B C D and E or the P and LT tires seem to have been replaced by a load index number. They seem to be using fewer plies and still reaching the same load rating. Of course this reduces the resistance to punctures that came with the added thickness of the higher rated tires.
Good luck on your search.

 

[R Black]

I used to always go by the ply rating and/or load rating but found that the way tire manufacturers rate and build tires seems to have changed. The old alpha load ratings of B C D and E or the P and LT tires seem to have been replaced by a load index number. They seem to be using fewer plies and still reaching the same load rating. Of course this reduces the resistance to punctures that came with the added thickness of the higher rated tires.
Good luck on your search.

Yes, and I was aware after I posted that I hadn't succinctly mentioned any of that, . . . load rating etc..

I was told years ago the they were getting the same load ratings with fewer plies, though I'm not as convinced this has come at the cost of puncture resistance.

So I can only assume one of several things in this debacle; The world changed since I put 80 psi max Coops on the GMT 400 in 2019 ... or the world changed last June when I bought a 2020 Pahoe.

I think I'm going to go to the Cooper website and see what they say. I haven't done that specifically yet.

I'm thinking this has a lot to do with lawyers, the EPA etc. and maybe how the vehicle is constructed than it does with 'LT tires won't work on a 2020 Tahoe'. Unless there something weird that would happen with the sprung weight or yatta yatta ...

I could also try contact some of the premier off-road shops or publishers or tire manufacturers like Dick Cepek.

 

[mb1500]

Everyone has a preference. Everyone’s experience will be different. Go with a reputable tire that you can get a good deal on. Not much to choose from in the factory size 285/45/22 anyways when I was shopping almost anything available was of decent quality.

 

[George B]

A little review her for the Cooper Discover AT3 4S in 285/45-22.
I have driven in the snow with these tires twice now and I am a little undecided as to how I like them. They are worlds better than the Bridgestone Alenza tires I had but seen to lack the ability to keep the back end from kicking sideways. Front steering and stopping are acceptable as I have tried several times to see how it stops. So far I would say I am happy with how it steers and stops except for the rear kicking out when I accelerate in a corner. Today we are getting sleet so its like driving on ice.

I wish I could try a set of Michelin LTX M/S tires to compare. Can’t help but wonder if they would be better.

 

[TxVet33]

Hey all,

the stock tires on my 2016 Denali are done. I have the 22 inch wheels so it’s been a rough ride since day one. Any suggestions or recommendations for tires that could produce a better ride? I know I’m limited due to the rim size but just want something better than stock.

thanks

 

[TxVet33]

Hey all,

the stock tires on my 2016 Denali are done. I have the 22 inch wheels so it’s been a rough ride since day one. Any suggestions or recommendations for tires that could produce a better ride? I know I’m limited due to the rim size but just want something better than stock.

thanks

Softer ride =18” rims/tires

 

[George B]

The jury is in on my end. Wish I would have gone with the Defender LTX M/S

 

[TxVet33]

Northern Wisconsin last week...

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Abilene got 4” New Year’s Eve night. Dam.

 

[Bob2C]

Just got the Pirelli’s put on last week. Such a smooth ride. No complaints. Let’s see how long they last.

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[91RS]

Softer ride =18” rims/tires

Only if you insist on buying junk tires. My 22”s with Michelin’s ride way better than the 18”s that came on it.