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Well, did not pass due to soil depth issues for field line foot print. They're only getting like 18-24" and they want 24"-30". I have an existing permit for the front of the property, so worst case, I just pump it up there. Really trying to avoid that.

After talking with the inspector, he told me to get a soil scientist out there and have a soil map done. They over ride him and he's confident they will have a solution, fingers crossed. The soil scientist is one of my customer's FIL so I put in a call to see if I can get bumped to the front.

Will update as we go.
 

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Well, did not pass due to soil depth issues for field line foot print. They're only getting like 18-24" and they want 24"-30". I have an existing permit for the front of the property, so worst case, I just pump it up there. Really trying to avoid that.

After talking with the inspector, he told me to get a soil scientist out there and have a soil map done. They over ride him and he's confident they will have a solution, fingers crossed. The soil scientist is one of my customer's FIL so I put in a call to see if I can get bumped to the front.

Will update as we go.
I had to go through something similar… ended up having to get an engineer involved and they came up with different type of leach field which basically meant…. Give me more money and we’ll sign off on it snd make the town pass it…. I forgot about that… 20yrs ago.. geez
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I had to go through something similar… ended up having to get an engineer involved and they came up with different type of leach field which basically meant…. Give me more money and we’ll sign off on it snd make the town pass it…. I forgot about that… 20yrs ago.. geez
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Well, at first, he was like "You're going to have to pump it up to the front, not a big deal". It's certainly a big deal to me. It'd be somewhere around 900' away from the tank and 40' in elevation gain. The more we talked, the better it got.

I'm hoping we can get away with a conventional 4" field line and just follow the seams in the rock. Worst case (I think?) is we do a modified conventional where I put the field line 18" deep then put 8-12" of top soil on top. I have plenty of that on site...

Did you end up with a conventional field line, just more of it? He said I really only need 350' of field line, but he'd like to see 500' just to be safe.
 

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Well, did not pass due to soil depth issues for field line foot print. They're only getting like 18-24" and they want 24"-30". I have an existing permit for the front of the property, so worst case, I just pump it up there. Really trying to avoid that.

After talking with the inspector, he told me to get a soil scientist out there and have a soil map done. They over ride him and he's confident they will have a solution, fingers crossed. The soil scientist is one of my customer's FIL so I put in a call to see if I can get bumped to the front.

Will update as we go.
Always good to know someone lol

And exlplain like I’m 5?
 
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Always good to know someone lol

And exlplain like I’m 5?
When you don't live in the city, you have a septic tank. All of your solid waste settles in the inlet compartment and liquids go to the outlet. From there, it goes into field lines (leach fields as some call it). Where I live, there's a lot of rock so getting enough depth of soil for those lines is often difficult. They want those lines buried between 24-30" with something like 6" of stone under it so the soil can absorb the waste. I'm only getting 18-24" so there's not enough depth for a county inspector to stamp it as a full proof, no issue install. You hire a soil scientist to come do a soil map. It's more in depth and they will do a grid where (if possible) you can find the required depth in a rock seam or maybe the soils are suitable for a shallower system.

I spoke to the guy, sent him my survey, and he thinks he may be able to go out there tomorrow and try to get it wrapped up.
 

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When you don't live in the city, you have a septic tank. All of your solid waste settles in the inlet compartment and liquids go to the outlet. From there, it goes into field lines (leach fields as some call it). Where I live, there's a lot of rock so getting enough depth of soil for those lines is often difficult. They want those lines buried between 24-30" with something like 6" of stone under it so the soil can absorb the waste. I'm only getting 18-24" so there's not enough depth for a county inspector to stamp it as a full proof, no issue install. You hire a soil scientist to come do a soil map. It's more in depth and they will do a grid where (if possible) you can find the required depth in a rock seam or maybe the soils are suitable for a shallower system.

I spoke to the guy, sent him my survey, and he thinks he may be able to go out there tomorrow and try to get it wrapped up.
Never actually understood how a septic tank worked. Thanks.
 

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When you don't live in the city, you have a septic tank. All of your solid waste settles in the inlet compartment and liquids go to the outlet. From there, it goes into field lines (leach fields as some call it). Where I live, there's a lot of rock so getting enough depth of soil for those lines is often difficult. They want those lines buried between 24-30" with something like 6" of stone under it so the soil can absorb the waste. I'm only getting 18-24" so there's not enough depth for a county inspector to stamp it as a full proof, no issue install. You hire a soil scientist to come do a soil map. It's more in depth and they will do a grid where (if possible) you can find the required depth in a rock seam or maybe the soils are suitable for a shallower system.

I spoke to the guy, sent him my survey, and he thinks he may be able to go out there tomorrow and try to get it wrapped up.

And if/when the tank itself fills up with solids you call the PooperScooper vacuum truck to come bail you out.
 
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If all goes well with the soil scientist, this will be the tank I install. It's traffic rated so anything you can legally drive on the interstate can drive over it. This is generally only used in commercial settings. It will have a cast iron frame and cover.

I've submitted this to the state for approval. Residential rules are different from commercial so hopefully they approve.

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If all goes well with the soil scientist, this will be the tank I install. It's traffic rated so anything you can legally drive on the interstate can drive over it. This is generally only used in commercial settings. It will have a cast iron frame and cover.

I've submitted this to the state for approval. Residential rules are different from commercial so hopefully they approve.

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pffft.. I'll have that thing filled up in about a month. I love to poo.
 

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When you don't live in the city, you have a septic tank. All of your solid waste settles in the inlet compartment and liquids go to the outlet. From there, it goes into field lines (leach fields as some call it). Where I live, there's a lot of rock so getting enough depth of soil for those lines is often difficult. They want those lines buried between 24-30" with something like 6" of stone under it so the soil can absorb the waste. I'm only getting 18-24" so there's not enough depth for a county inspector to stamp it as a full proof, no issue install. You hire a soil scientist to come do a soil map. It's more in depth and they will do a grid where (if possible) you can find the required depth in a rock seam or maybe the soils are suitable for a shallower system.

I spoke to the guy, sent him my survey, and he thinks he may be able to go out there tomorrow and try to get it wrapped up.

this is pretty accurate. We hired a soil scientist to do all this before we bought our land. They got the whole thing mapped out, the surveyor just went back out Monday to add the proposed lines and septic as well as the massively oversized build pad (120'x100). We are doing a non-expiring septic permit so we have time to build and not rush to the 5yr clock.
 
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this is pretty accurate. We hired a soil scientist to do all this before we bought our land. They got the whole thing mapped out, the surveyor just went back out Monday to add the proposed lines and septic as well as the massively oversized build pad (120'x100). We are doing a non-expiring septic permit so we have time to build and not rush to the 5yr clock.
The private guy will override the state so smart move there. Our permit is good for 3 years. I technically have a permit at the front of the property, so I can move forward with everything, I'm just trying to avoid the pump situation. It's worth the extra $600 to have the private guy go out there. Hell, $600 won't pay for the fuel to hammer out the area needed for the second tank, much less pumps, control panel, piping, and fee to install it. I also don't want the hassle of another maintenance item.
 

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If all goes well with the soil scientist, this will be the tank I install. It's traffic rated so anything you can legally drive on the interstate can drive over it. This is generally only used in commercial settings. It will have a cast iron frame and cover.

I've submitted this to the state for approval. Residential rules are different from commercial so hopefully they approve.

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Nice poop box
 

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The private guy will override the state so smart move there. Our permit is good for 3 years. I technically have a permit at the front of the property, so I can move forward with everything, I'm just trying to avoid the pump situation. It's worth the extra $600 to have the private guy go out there. Hell, $600 won't pay for the fuel to hammer out the area needed for the second tank, much less pumps, control panel, piping, and fee to install it. I also don't want the hassle of another maintenance item.
in 1993…. I was Conversion Supervisor at the brand new, Anaheim / hockey arena…. Our first use of the place, was a concert. ( Barry Manilow )……. During the concert... I was called to deal with an “emergency”… All the bathrooms STUNK BADLY……. I had my guys poor freshener liquid into the bathroom drains, to help mask the stink….. The smell was awful !!

Next day…. the contractor, that built the arena, opened up the street manhole covers….. They FORGOT TO OPEN THE SEWAGE - lateral drain pipes under the street. Geeze…..

( A lateral is the opening, from the property drainage, into the main city sewage drain running along the street……. The arena had no place for the sewage to drain to, so it backed up into the area’s pipes, and almost up into the restrooms…..
Opps…….
 

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in 1993…. I was Conversion Supervisor at the brand new, Anaheim / hockey arena…. Our first use of the place, was a concert. ( Barry Manilow )……. During the concert... I was called to deal with an “emergency”… All the bathrooms STUNK BADLY……. I had my guys poor freshener liquid into the bathroom drains, to help mask the stink….. The smell was awful !!

Next day…. the contractor, that built the arena, opened up the street manhole covers….. They FORGOT TO OPEN THE SEWAGE - lateral drain pipes under the street. Geeze…..

( A lateral is the opening, from the property drainage, into the main city sewage drain running along the street……. The arena had no place for the sewage to drain to, so it backed up into the area’s pipes, and almost up into the restrooms…..
Opps…….
Talk about the amount of sludge build up on the very first use. That drainage was probably doomed from that point on.
 

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Talk about the amount of sludge build up on the very first use. That drainage was probably doomed from that point on.
You are correct…….There was about 15,000 people there that evening…..
Before the first event / concert, just contractors & staff were crapping…...

I can’t imagine, how the “damn broke” when the lateral cap was opened…...
 
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Well boys, I got the all clear from the soil guys. I have to submit their findings to the state and then get the final permit.

I also go the first draft of the floor plan. She's still working on the garage.

I can already see a lot of mark-ups are coming. We requested 8' doors and that was completely missed. The island is way too narrow. The list goes on.

What's your thoughts on the bathroom configurations? Those were the basic changes from the original plan.

Just in case the pdf doesn't work, here's a screen shot. The front bedroom will be my office. I want a closet in there though.


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