No Refresh for 2024

[ProfeZZor X]

GM is probably putting their focus on the 2025 EV SUVs, not refreshes on a "dying breed" (current model).

 

[DuraYuk]

GM is probably putting their focus on the 2025 EV SUVs, not refreshes on a "dying breed" (current model).

There will still be another gas generation of full size suvs https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/general-motors-investing-854-million-v8-engines

 

[CMoore711]

Exactly @DuraYuk There will continue to be a gas option for the full size GM Truck & SUV platform for many years to come still.

I wish there was an ETA on the next generation GM V8. I wonder what the identifying letters will be? They’ve used “LS” and have now recycled “LT”…

It’d be awesome to see a V8 plus electric motor hybrid drivetrain to help close the gap from ICE to EV without having to fully commit to EV. I’m dreaming of a Gen6 6.2 LT motor with 460HP/500TQ plus a small 250HP/300TQ electric motor. With a combined range of 800 miles per “full charge/tank”.

 

[Polo08816]

Exactly @DuraYuk There will continue to be a gas option for the full size GM Truck & SUV platform for many years to come still.

I wish there was an ETA on the next generation GM V8. I wonder what the identifying letters will be? They’ve used “LS” and have now recycled “LT”…

It’d be awesome to see a V8 plus electric motor hybrid drivetrain to help close the gap from ICE to EV without having to fully commit to EV. I’m dreaming of a Gen6 6.2 LT motor with 460HP/500TQ plus a small 250HP/300TQ electric motor. With a combined range of 800 miles per “full charge/tank”.

I would be interested in seeing this hybrid powertrain in the HD vehicles. Gas V8 + 200-300hp hybrid motor with a sizable battery.

It could assist with climbing grades as well as increasing the amount of regenerative braking (engine braking) for longer declines to close the gap on the diesel powertrains. If a battery pack were able to sustain a 30 min climb, it would be useful. I'm not sure there is a longer climb/decline in North America.

 

[jimgeb]

Hybrid would be the way to go for now, and when eventually there will be not enough available electric power to charge all the EV's.

 

[ivin74]

I would be interested in seeing this hybrid powertrain in the HD vehicles. Gas V8 + 200-300hp hybrid motor with a sizable battery.

It could assist with climbing grades as well as increasing the amount of regenerative braking (engine braking) for longer declines to close the gap on the diesel powertrains. If a battery pack were able to sustain a 30 min climb, it would be useful. I'm not sure there is a longer climb/decline in North America.

Where is that 30 minute climb located?

 

[Husker4theSpurs]

I'm thinking the delay may have a bit to do with the UAW negotiations and the high possibility of a strike. I think mid September is the date for negotiations.

 

[Steebu]

Where is that 30 minute climb located?

Probably any road that heads up a mountain. I don't think he's talking about a 45 degree climb for 30 minutes straight. Even on the way to Mount Hood here in Oregon or heading west to the coast through some smaller mountains there's a gradual incline for long periods, easily 20 minutes plus. I would agree with most that hybrid would be a great option.

And I wonder if @Husker4theSpurs is right - that back in the spring GM knew the contract was up and figured on a possibility of a strike, hence the delay of pushing the 24s by a few months, refresh or not. Last year the 23 Configurator went live online August 10th and you could order them later that month. Now we're hearing that order books open up in September and production begins in November.

I guess someone in GM corporate can actually plan ...

 

[CMoore711]

Tell me how fast your driving first

I would be interested in seeing this hybrid powertrain in the HD vehicles. Gas V8 + 200-300hp hybrid motor with a sizable battery.

It could assist with climbing grades as well as increasing the amount of regenerative braking (engine braking) for longer declines to close the gap on the diesel powertrains.

Yes; And instead of AFM/DFM to increase mpg have a way that any extra “unneeded” ICE power is used to charge the onboard electric motor(s).

And while we’re at it let’s add a toggle switch for driver to choose based on conditions between ICE and EV power similar to a 4WD switch. Have a way to select full time ICE, full time EV, or “AUTO”.

 

[Husker4theSpurs]

Probably any road that heads up a mountain. I don't think he's talking about a 45 degree climb for 30 minutes straight. Even on the way to Mount Hood here in Oregon or heading west to the coast through some smaller mountains there's a gradual incline for long periods, easily 20 minutes plus. I would agree with most that hybrid would be a great option.

And I wonder if @Husker4theSpurs is right - that back in the spring GM knew the contract was up and figured on a possibility of a strike, hence the delay of pushing the 24s by a few months, refresh or not. Last year the 23 Configurator went live online August 10th and you could order them later that month. Now we're hearing that order books open up in September and production begins in November.

I guess someone in GM corporate can actually plan ...

Yeah and the last thing you want to do is announce a refresh that you might not be able to produce anytime soon ... and/or give leverage to the UAW when negotiating.

 

[Polo08816]

Where is that 30 minute climb located?

That's my point...

 

[Steebu]

Anyone else following the news on the potential strike? Just read the UAW made public their demands before going into negotiations, the biggest of which were the 46% increase in pay over 3 years and a reduction of the work week from 40 to 32 hours a week.

I’m not going to take sides on the issue - i can see both sides - but the end result is these vehicles are about to get A LOT more expensive. Maybe it’s time to just buy a 23 …

 

[NOVA99]

UAW...Such a highly skilled skilled and crafted workforce, what a joke. Sounds like the French with their demands...32 hour work weeks. Ohhh how history is so easily forgotten when just a few short years ago jobs were leaving for MX and the Big 3 in Detroit had to file for bankruptcy protection, govt, bailouts etc. The highly skilled workers of the UAW ran them into the ground with their ridiculous benefit demands, bonuses, and wages. Just seems like yester-year all over again.

 

[DuraYuk]

UAW...Such a highly skilled skilled and crafted workforce, what a joke. Sounds like the French with their demands...32 hour work weeks. Ohhh how history is so easily forgotten when just a few short years ago jobs were leaving for MX and the Big 3 in Detroit had to file for bankruptcy protection, govt, bailouts etc. The highly skilled workers of the UAW ran them into the ground with their ridiculous benefit demands, bonuses, and wages. Just seems like yester-year all over again.

Personally i think mismanagement leads to bankruptcy and bailout. Cant blame labor for that.

If you are making a profit you need to compensate those responsible adequately. Now if we are at a negative year over year adjust accordingly.

Sucks it takes a threat of a strike to get to negotiations.

 

[drmartini]

just ordered my 23 from same small town northern midwest dealer that i have bought at least one silverado/tahoe/burban from for more from every year for over a dozen years now. based on what he's told me the variety of reasons here (except the conspiracy stuff) is all correct.

2024 being pushed back because current demand is so strong and parts aren't there for all the trim levels, with pending strike no way would they be ready or prepared in time to start accepting 24 orders and they just got things humming. as you all know GM makes a lot of money on these full size trucks, esp top end and i'm not sure where others are seeing them but i'm on the road a lot and was looking around online because i need to buy one yet this fall, we have nothing in the area unless you want high country 6.2's, even those aren't lasting long. haven't seen a dealer with more than 2 full size GM SUV's on the lot in chicagoland, milwaukee, madison etc anywhere. most trucks listed as 'in transit' are already sold, my small town dealer has a list of almost 10 of us waiting on his desk. there are now some LT silverados around (usually diesel) but very few higher end.

 

[Polo08816]

just ordered my 23 from same small town northern midwest dealer that i have bought at least one silverado/tahoe/burban from for more from every year for over a dozen years now. based on what he's told me the variety of reasons here (except the conspiracy stuff) is all correct.

2024 being pushed back because current demand is so strong and parts aren't there for all the trim levels, with pending strike no way would they be ready or prepared in time to start accepting 24 orders and they just got things humming. as you all know GM makes a lot of money on these full size trucks, esp top end and i'm not sure where others are seeing them but i'm on the road a lot and was looking around online because i need to buy one yet this fall, we have nothing in the area unless you want high country 6.2's, even those aren't lasting long. haven't seen a dealer with more than 2 full size GM SUV's on the lot in chicagoland, milwaukee, madison etc anywhere. most trucks listed as 'in transit' are already sold, my small town dealer has a list of almost 10 of us waiting on his desk. there are now some LT silverados around (usually diesel) but very few higher end.

Good thing we're going to order a 1/2 ton pickup in early 2024 and push off the full size SUV purchase to 2026-2028. You would think that if GM, Ford, Stellantis, and Toyota keep increasing production of their full size SUVs for the next 3-5 years, they'll be able to have enough supply to meet demand by then. Personally, I think we'll be at that point in 12 months for the majority of the makes for full size SUVs.

 

[drmartini]

sales took an absolutely huge jump

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/08/chevrolet-suburban-tahoe-sales-numbers-figures-results-second-quarter-2023-q2/

 

[Polo08816]

sales took an absolutely huge jump

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/08/chevrolet-suburban-tahoe-sales-numbers-figures-results-second-quarter-2023-q2/

Yup, they need to keep increasing production.

When I looked at Q1 2023 vs Q2 2023 for GM production it was around a 10-20% average increase. The Expedition increase was about 50% from Q1 2023 to Q2 2023. So Ford is gaining a larger foothold in that market because GM wasn't able to match the % increase in sales volume from Q1 to Q2.

 

[DuraYuk]

Yup, they need to keep increasing production.

When I looked at Q1 2023 vs Q2 2023 for GM production it was around a 10-20% average increase. The Expedition increase was about 50% from Q1 2023 to Q2 2023. So Ford is gaining a larger foothold in that market because GM wasn't able to match the % increase in sales volume from Q1 to Q2.

Eh I don't know about that. Gm is still dominating the field. https://fordauthority.com/2023/04/f...umbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2023/

 

[Blackcar]

UAW...Such a highly skilled skilled and crafted workforce, what a joke. Sounds like the French with their demands...32 hour work weeks. Ohhh how history is so easily forgotten when just a few short years ago jobs were leaving for MX and the Big 3 in Detroit had to file for bankruptcy protection, govt, bailouts etc. The highly skilled workers of the UAW ran them into the ground with their ridiculous benefit demands, bonuses, and wages. Just seems like yester-year all over again.

Facts are incorrect in some research the banking crisis caused GM problems they couldn't find business loan which every business does. They were made to file bankruptcy nothing to do with labor.