No Refresh for 2024

[Brucemoose2]

Maybe wishful thinking but the previous generation redesign was announced in September. So I don’t think it’s out of the question that we see a model year 25 refresh in early 24. Read about the 2015 redesign on Wikipedia.

“The Yukon Denali was redesigned and updated along with other GM SUVs in September 2013 and went to dealerships on February 5, 2014 as a 2015 model.”

 

[MajorFatal]

So just u know, I logged in to auto book which is the ordering site for dealerships and u can’t even build a 2024 yet. Still 2023.

Mmmm. Maybe its one of the final 23s. Fine w me. Probably a couple grand cheaper. Will check. Thanks.

 

[Polo08816]

We’ve all seen the GMC and Chevrolet full size SUV spy shots with camo on the front and rear end hiding some sort of “refresh” facelift change to the model. It’s not a matter of if there will be a model refresh update but when.

To be honest; If GM has decided to push it out another model year I’m ok with it. Why rush it?

With all the threads in the 2021+ section of the various issues the OTA updates have caused, some models prematurely killing batteries, injector issues, and other miscellaneous issues. GM pushing out the refresh one more model year might just be a sign of them wanting to take some extra time and fix/correct some of the current model bugs?

Because GM isn't the only manufacturer to make 1/2 ton based full size SUVs.

GM usually had an advantage because they would release their updates or refreshes 1 year before Ford. By delaying the refresh, you're now competing with Ford without the 1 year head start on orders/sales.

While GM increased production/sales of the Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban by 10-20% from 2023 Q1 to 2023 Q2, Ford increased the production/sales of the Expedition by approximately 50% from 2023 Q1 to 2023 Q2. Ford is gaining market share.

 

[Banks22]

Maybe wishful thinking but the previous generation redesign was announced in September. So I don’t think it’s out of the question that we see a model year 25 refresh in early 24. Read about the 2015 redesign on Wikipedia.

“The Yukon Denali was redesigned and updated along with other GM SUVs in September 2013 and went to dealerships on February 5, 2014 as a 2015 model.”

They had to delay the refreshed silverados and did it mid year, ordered my 22 in early January 2022. So could be this

 

[CMoore711]

Because GM isn't the only manufacturer to make 1/2 ton based full size SUVs.

GM usually had an advantage because they would release their updates or refreshes 1 year before Ford. By delaying the refresh, you're now competing with Ford without the 1 year head start on orders/sales.

While GM increased production/sales of the Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban by 10-20% from 2023 Q1 to 2023 Q2, Ford increased the production/sales of the Expedition by approximately 50% from 2023 Q1 to 2023 Q2. Ford is gaining market share

I see your point… But the advantage you speak of can work both ways right? Release a year sooner and sure you’ve beat the competition to the punch but you’ve also now set the bar for the competition to beat right? I know a year isn’t a long time to make major model changes but at least you know the competition at that point.

Think of all the people that jumped ship to Ford when they were comparing Ford’s latest full-size SUV model to GM’s “latest” 1-2 year old model refresh.

Ford can have and keep their V6TT full-size SUV’s. GM has made the better choice by sticking with the V8 and offering a turbo diesel option.

Now if Ford were to wise up and offer their 5.0 V8 as an option for their full-size SUV platform that’s a different conversation.

 

[Polo08816]

I see your point… But the advantage you speak of can work both ways right? Release a year sooner and sure you’ve beat the competition to the punch but you’ve also now set the bar for the competition to beat right? I know a year isn’t a long time to make major model changes but at least you know the competition at that point.

Think of all the people that jumped ship to Ford when they were comparing Ford’s latest full-size SUV model to GM’s “latest” 1-2 year old model refresh.

Ford can have and keep their V6TT full-size SUV’s. GM has made the better choice by sticking with the V8 and offering a turbo diesel option.

Now if Ford were to wise up and offer their 5.0 V8 as an option for their full-size SUV platform that’s a different conversation.

I don't think a year or less is enough time for Ford to respond to GM. Perhaps a software update/change is feasible in that time frame, but physical changes take far more time to implement.

While I do prefer GM's naturally aspirated V8s, Ford has largely worked out the design problems with the V6TT. It seems GM has gone backwards on reliability in terms of their naturally aspirated V8s.

I wouldn't consider a turbo diesel for a non HD application. It's not worth the complexity for a 1/2 ton chassis that someone is keeping over 100k miles in my opinion. Turbo diesels aren't a problem under warranty. Once they're not under warranty, one small problem on a turbo diesel powertrain leads to a cascade of fails that ultimately costs far more money to repair than even a turbo charged gas powertrain.

 

[kjfatl]

I am expecting the next refresh to dump SuperCruise and replace it with UltraCruise. This will come out on Cadillac first in 2024. Tahoe will likely get it in 2025. For GM to do a refresh for a single model year does not make sense.

 

[yukontruckman]

Maybe wishful thinking but the previous generation redesign was announced in September. So I don’t think it’s out of the question that we see a model year 25 refresh in early 24. Read about the 2015 redesign on Wikipedia.

“The Yukon Denali was redesigned and updated along with other GM SUVs in September 2013 and went to dealerships on February 5, 2014 as a 2015 model.”

This. 2024 could end up being a short production run if GM needed to buy another 6 months or so to make the refresh happen.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

Just an opinion. Gm should fix the glitches it has with the current full size SUV’s before updating anything. Maybe Then they can avoid new glitches

 

[ZKWBQD]

Looks like the big SUVs wont get a refresh yet. I figured since GM hasnt really done mid cycle refreshes on the full size suvs before and there has been no reveal yet. Usually by this point orders are open for next model year.

Im sure there will be some option changes and more standard equipment.

Glad I didn't wait.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/08/2024-chevy-tahoe-suburban-not-getting-mid-cycle-refresh/

I was under the impression that many GM vehicles were going to be DOWNGRADED and not include Apple CarPlay. Do you think Apple CarPlay will still be in the 2024 models?

 

[BG1988]

Yeah that's not true. Not everything is a conspiracy. Some brands have tons of inventory and discounts (FCA 10% off msrp ), others don't have much inventory ( GM full size suv, toyota hybrids, etc). Carry on.

Huh?
This hidden car lot has well over 1,000 cars and trucks in storage ...

How is this a conspiracy? those are not the workers for the quarry...

 

[CMoore711]

Just an opinion. Gm should fix the glitches it has with the current full size SUV’s before updating anything. Maybe Then they might be worth the $ they’re charging for them…

Fixed that for you.

 

[Banks22]

Huh?
This hidden car lot has well over 1,000 cars and trucks in storage ...

How is this a conspiracy? those are not the workers for the quarry...

The flint, MI plant also has thousands of HD Chevy and gmc’s trucks just sitting there missing chips, mostly 2023’s I believe. Manufacturers are on such a push for EV they have to inflate the gas vehicle prices to match the EV prices or else no one is going to buy them, which it was just reported that Ford lost $4.5 billion on EV. The mach mustang can’t sell, and the lightning has slowed way down.

 

[BDM3]

Huh?
This hidden car lot has well over 1,000 cars and trucks in storage ...

How is this a conspiracy? those are not the workers for the quarry...

yeah those really look hidden right off the Highway in plain sight for everyone to see. I bet the dealers thought no one would ever think to look there.

 

[DuraYuk]

Huh?
This hidden car lot has well over 1,000 cars and trucks in storage ...

How is this a conspiracy? those are not the workers for the quarry...

Dude FCA has vehicles everywhere. They are 10% off at almost every dealer. They have way way to much inventory. They are not hiding them. That's just a storage lot. Now find me the 1000s of toyota hybrids that are hidden?! Or GM full size suvs?! They don't exist. Because they are in demand.

YouTube people get paid on clicks. You just made them that much richer thinking you uncovered some secret conspiracy lol.

 

[todayusay]

The flint, MI plant also has thousands of HD Chevy and gmc’s trucks just sitting there missing chips, mostly 2023’s I believe. Manufacturers are on such a push for EV they have to inflate the gas vehicle prices to match the EV prices or else no one is going to buy them, which it was just reported that Ford lost $4.5 billion on EV. The mach mustang can’t sell, and the lightning has slowed way down.

Every GM dealer I've driven by over the summer has the truck section of their lot full. The dealers that are turning their inventory over are the ones that aren't holding on to the covid pricing structure.

Although FCA vehicles can be bought at 10% off, GM trucks can be bought for 10% off as well with probably the same amount of leg work it takes to find the Rams that are discounted.

My guess is we are probably 6 months away from Tahoes/Yukons being readily available.

We ordered a 23 Z71 Tahoe at the end of last summer. Went online today and found three sitting on a lot that matched our build (beige exterior) and quite a few Z71s in random colors. Saw a random FB ad a week so ago for an AT4 available at a small town dealer - checked today - still there.

If it was going to 4-6 weeks on ordering one, I'd do it again, but I wouldn't "pay" for that "opportunity" to order by over paying in the current market.

 

[Banks22]

Every GM dealer I've driven by over the summer has the truck section of their lot full. The dealers that are turning their inventory over are the ones that aren't holding on to the covid pricing structure.

Although FCA vehicles can be bought at 10% off, GM trucks can be bought for 10% off as well with probably the same amount of leg work it takes to find the Rams that are discounted.

My guess is we are probably 6 months away from Tahoes/Yukons being readily available.

We ordered a 23 Z71 Tahoe at the end of last summer. Went online today and found three sitting on a lot that matched our build (beige exterior) and quite a few Z71s in random colors. Saw a random FB ad a week so ago for an AT4 available at a small town dealer - checked today - still there.

If it was going to 4-6 weeks on ordering one, I'd do it again, but I wouldn't "pay" for that "opportunity" to order by over paying in the current market.

The 2-3 dealerships I always look at have 4 Tahoes available at one and 8 Yukons at the other.

 

[Polo08816]

Every GM dealer I've driven by over the summer has the truck section of their lot full. The dealers that are turning their inventory over are the ones that aren't holding on to the covid pricing structure.

Although FCA vehicles can be bought at 10% off, GM trucks can be bought for 10% off as well with probably the same amount of leg work it takes to find the Rams that are discounted.

My guess is we are probably 6 months away from Tahoes/Yukons being readily available.

We ordered a 23 Z71 Tahoe at the end of last summer. Went online today and found three sitting on a lot that matched our build (beige exterior) and quite a few Z71s in random colors. Saw a random FB ad a week so ago for an AT4 available at a small town dealer - checked today - still there.

If it was going to 4-6 weeks on ordering one, I'd do it again, but I wouldn't "pay" for that "opportunity" to order by over paying in the current market.

The 2-3 dealerships I always look at have 4 Tahoes available at one and 8 Yukons at the other.

I think so as well.I wouldn't be surprised if we're back to pre-pandemic production levels by the end of 2024.

 

[tjs3922]

I think demand for the big boy SUV's is always strong and will remain so. It will defiantly grow closer to pre pandemic demand levels. Getting Yukons and Suburbans has always been dicey in my area (Wisconsin)

Now my local dealer seems to be getting heavy in truck inventory (GMc and Chevy). Heck, most of the trucks on this lot are 60K plus. Working guys want something under 45K. They also seem to be unable to give Acadia's away. Most of these are 52K plus.

A change is coming, one way or another.

 

[Murrawk]

I see your point… But the advantage you speak of can work both ways right? Release a year sooner and sure you’ve beat the competition to the punch but you’ve also now set the bar for the competition to beat right? I know a year isn’t a long time to make major model changes but at least you know the competition at that point.

Think of all the people that jumped ship to Ford when they were comparing Ford’s latest full-size SUV model to GM’s “latest” 1-2 year old model refresh.

Ford can have and keep their V6TT full-size SUV’s. GM has made the better choice by sticking with the V8 and offering a turbo diesel option.

Now if Ford were to wise up and offer their 5.0 V8 as an option for their full-size SUV platform that’s a different conversation.

I agree. Unless a turbo v6 is of interest, Ford is out.