Gas prices making anyone reconsider?

[firsttimetahoe]

yea but , what if you need to drive 800miles a day 5 days a week

You probably shouldn’t be driving a gas guzzling Full Size V8 if that’s the case…

 

[SSGUNNER]

no oil changes, air filters, belts, hoses, spark plugs, coils, brake pad changes are extended way out as they use regen to slow down 90% of the time, hard hard braking uses the pads

You forgot that with regen you MUST replace tires every 12 months. Extend that and you are certainly asking for trouble. One of the things tesla doesnt mention right off the bat…

 

[SnowDrifter]

You forgot that with regen you MUST replace tires every 12 months. Extend that and you are certainly asking for trouble. One of the things tesla doesnt mention right off the bat…

Huh?

 

[Polo08816]

You forgot that with regen you MUST replace tires every 12 months. Extend that and you are certainly asking for trouble. One of the things tesla doesnt mention right off the bat…

Huh?

I'm confused as to why someone would need to replace their tires every 12 months due to "regen"?

 

[Stbentoak]

My neighbor has a Tesla and also a RAM Pickup. they use it exactly for what it is for.... Every day back and forth locally to work and to things they do w/in say 50 miles. If it needs service a tesla van backs into their driveway, hooks up some cables, and 20 min later, he's gone. But when they need to go across the state or to any long-distance function, it stays home. I'm not against one if you are w/in a 50-mile radius mostly for everyday for daily use....

 

[pwtr02ss]

You forgot that with regen you MUST replace tires every 12 months. Extend that and you are certainly asking for trouble. One of the things tesla doesnt mention right off the bat…

That is certainly untrue. I think people confuse the reason behind tire wear. Instant torque along with a higher performance tire. People like to feel that power so more aggressive launches happen more frequently. No maintenance means people also aren't rotating the tires at proper intervals. All that combined leads to faster tire wear

Also, you can adjust the regen sensitivity from heavy to low, just for the record.

 

[randeez]

That is certainly untrue. I think people confuse the reason behind tire wear. Instant torque along with a higher performance tire. People like to feel that power so more aggressive launches happen more frequently. No maintenance means people also aren't rotating the tires at proper intervals. All that combined leads to faster tire wear

Also, you can adjust the regen sensitivity from heavy to low, just for the record.

and they weigh nearly 5k lbs on soft performance tire

 

[SSGUNNER]

Huh?

I get some folks are visual learners… so here you go:

That is certainly untrue. I think people confuse the reason behind tire wear. Instant torque along with a higher performance tire. People like to feel that power so more aggressive launches happen more frequently. No maintenance means people also aren't rotating the tires at proper intervals. All that combined leads to faster tire wear

Also, you can adjust the regen sensitivity from heavy to low, just for the record.

I'm confused as to why someone would need to replace their tires every 12 months due to "regen"?

Discussions on this matter have been going on for some time. Im just stating the facts from owners I know and this debate down below. Don’t shoot the messenger just remember the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/premature-tire-wear-from-regen-braking-system.176339/page-4

 

[SnowDrifter]

Huh?


I get some folks are visual learners… so here you go:

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Discussions on this matter have been going on for some time. Im just stating the facts from owners I know and this debate down below. Don’t shoot the messenger just remember the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/premature-tire-wear-from-regen-braking-system.176339/page-4

My thoughts on it:

I reckon it's a combination of
- vehicle weight (those little model S's weigh almost as much as our rigs!)
- Tire compound - SUV tires geeeeneralllyyyyy are a touch harder on the compound. Go dig your fingernails into some rubber next time you're at the tire shop
- Torque - big difference in tire wear depending on driving style, all else equal

As far as the tire is concerned, it sees weight, torque, and speed. It's agnostic to the method of deceleration, whether it be brake pad or motor.

What I could see, is regen braking shifting driver habits to a much more erratic style, similar to a 2 foot driver, and that being a cause for some extra wear. But that's about as far as I'll believe.




Aaaaaand to the thread at hand:

Reconsidering my vehicle? Hell no. It's painful, but in the grand scheme, a couple months of higher gas prices? Not really a big deal.

Some napkin math: I'll generally use 15-20 gallons of fuel a week. At $3.50 a gallon vs $5.50 a gallon, that's $70 vs $110. Δ$40/week. I figure it'll probably take 6-8 months or so to settle down and return to normal. So over 20 weeks, that's an $800 differential in operating costs. Assuming nothing else changes in my schedule.

800 bucks sucks, but it's not something I can make an argument for with respect to uprooting my vehicle. Ultimately, I drive a full size because I need the space. And I need it often enough that if I used a u-haul every time I needed it, they'd know my face when I walked in. 20 bucks for a cargo van, plus mileage fees, every month, would eat any cost savings I'd achieve by trading my rig in for a corolla. And buying 2 vehicles? Well, that's 2 insurance bills. Figure insurance would be an extra 300/6mo. On top of the $10-15k for purchasing the vehicle (used car market is still screwy). Break even time for that is measured in decades. So that's not really an appropriate approach.

Realistically, I've been driving a bit less. I'll run my errands all at once, vs going out for a quick trip. I'll take my bike more places instead of firing up the car. I drive much more 'lax' now vs. jumping in the left lane and going 90-95. So my actual expenditure cost on fuel really.... Hasn't changed. It's more expensive, but I use less of it.


I own my vehicle outright. It's reliable. The worst issue with it is a crack on the driver's side armrest. It's safe, it's comfortable, and I frankly enjoy driving it. I've had a soft spot for these rigs since I was a wee lad (don't you just my choice of dream car!). Unless we're spending $10 bucks a gallon on gas long-term, there's no objective cost-saving measure I can take with respect to changing vehicles.

Practically speaking, my rig needs to last another 10 years. After that, I'd expect our charging infrastructure should be sorted, second-owner trends / warranties / etc would be at least predictable (don't see too much info on second-owners if they need to replace batteries or not). Solid state batteries would be entering the market, or even if not - our recycling plants would be spooled up for battery recycling. I should be done needing full-size space and could retire this thing to a beater/hauler. Maybe we could get a plug in full-size at that time.

 

[R32driver]

We just filled our onsite gas tank with 300 gallons of regular so price is "locked in" for us for the time being

 

[pwtr02ss]

Huh?


I get some folks are visual learners… so here you go:

View attachment 365472






Discussions on this matter have been going on for some time. Im just stating the facts from owners I know and this debate down below. Don’t shoot the messenger just remember the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/premature-tire-wear-from-regen-braking-system.176339/page-4

So how is the regen braking any different than using the brakes, as far as tires go? Slowing the vehicle is slowing the vehicle and the point of contact is the same on either side, the tires and the road. Common sense (imo). Also, like I said, if regen is what concerns you, you can turn it down or off on some/all of them. Tire wear is something I hear people complain about on the Tesla forums. Those same people have never had a performance oriented tire in their life so of course it's not going to last as long as what came on their accord. 20k miles seems about average. My buddies zl1 didn't get that but maybe it's because the brembos, idk. Or maybe it's because the 564 rwhp it's making and he chews through them on pulls. It takes a lot of tire to get that 0-60 and those folks show it off whenever they can. That's certainly not extending the longevity of the tires.

Alas, I could be wrong. It's entirely possible that motor braking causes excessive wear on tires.

 

[BG1988]

We just filled our onsite gas tank with 300 gallons of regular so price is "locked in" for us for the time being

i'm locked in on price for the next 4,000 gallons premium fuel at 5.65-5.75sh prices are 6.15 for premium, Prices are not going lower don't expect relief because of the trillions and trillions printed,, also the Reserve status is going away as the Banksters said him self....


don't forget to pump up the tyres to 42psi 10% free mpg

 

[BG1988]

So how is the regen braking any different than using the brakes, as far as tires go? Slowing the vehicle is slowing the vehicle and the point of contact is the same on either side, the tires and the road. Common sense (imo). Also, like I said, if regen is what concerns you, you can turn it down or off on some/all of them. Tire wear is something I hear people complain about on the Tesla forums. Those same people have never had a performance oriented tire in their life so of course it's not going to last as long as what came on their accord. 20k miles seems about average. My buddies zl1 didn't get that but maybe it's because the brembos, idk. Or maybe it's because the 564 rwhp it's making and he chews through them on pulls. It takes a lot of tire to get that 0-60 and those folks show it off whenever they can. That's certainly not extending the longevity of the tires.

Alas, I could be wrong. It's entirely possible that motor braking causes excessive wear on tires.

i have not notice any abnormal wear to the rear tires

 

[BG1988]

I do wonder what this will do to the out of control used car market one would have to think those prices will come back in line with reality…it does make me consider waiting a bit longer to see if I can get a 21 at a reasonable used price over the summer but with my current 22 order having a TPW of 4/11 I guess I’d have to make that decision soon

they will sell for any amount they could get i have money waiting for the "sale"

 

[OR VietVet]

Since I am here now in Paradise, Ca. and with my cousin, she has a 3.5L 4 door Tacoma short bed that gets way better mpg than I do, although, on my trip down here, 403 miles, I was impressed on my fuel mileage on the highway. 17.5 mpg. In town, it sucks and I just paid $6.19 a gallon for the mid grade plus Chevron fuel. When we finally get to our final destination, Warrensburg, Mo., the fuel is cheaper there and we are both retired now. If we want to drive somewhere we will but staying home or around her kids and grandkids will be something we will do a lot of and save as best we can on driving. I just sunk alot of money in my 2005 Z71, check out my build thread, and it runs like a champ and I will keep it. Her vehicle is also paid for. At this point in our lives, we have each other and will just close out our lives as best as we can.

 

[Sparksalot]

I want a Tesla because they are freaking awesome. The gas thing will be a bonus. Hoping I don't have to replace any of the vehicles anytime soon. They're all paid for and no payment is a nice change

Bingo on paid for. I haven’t had a payment in years. That’s going a long way to help absorb short term increases.

 

[Polo08816]

Huh?


I get some folks are visual learners… so here you go:

View attachment 365472






Discussions on this matter have been going on for some time. Im just stating the facts from owners I know and this debate down below. Don’t shoot the messenger just remember the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/premature-tire-wear-from-regen-braking-system.176339/page-4

It appears as if most people doubt that theory.

What's more likely to contribute to poor tire wear is an alignment issue or the fact that EVs tend to be heavier than their ICE vehicles.

 

[OR VietVet]

Us having both vehicles paid off and in such good condition, is also a plus when considering the offset of the higher fuel costs and not having to make a monthly payment.

 

[gregus733]

I recently filled up my 5.3 Suburban at $6.20 a gallon. It was painful. But, I need this vehicle since I ride with my wife, 2 German Shepherd dogs and food, water, clothes, laptops, etc to my cabin. I live and work remote half of the time at my cabin in Nevada City in tech work. My wife works remote at a Pharmaceutical company.

If I wanted to save a buck, I suppose that I could get a minivan or something more economical. But I get occasional snow and like having a 4x4 and something that can tow a boat. Cannot find a better solution than the Suburban for my needs.

I cannot complain too much as my sister in law filled up her suv in Paris, France and rounded out to be about $8 per gallon.

 

[Cryptocap]

I cannot complain too much as my sister in law filled up her suv in Paris, France and rounded out to be about $8 per gallon.

That is about normal for Europe too. Even a few years when I was there it was much higher than the states.