FRAM Oil Filter

[the blur]

Fram has this newish oil filter. I have been using it with good results.
FRAM Synthetic Endurance™
FE10060 Engine Oil Filter


It is the short version. But I'm sure they have a longer version as well.

 

[kbuskill]

Fram has this newish oil filter. I have been using it with good results.
FRAM Synthetic Endurance™
FE10060 Engine Oil Filter


It is the short version. But I'm sure they have a longer version as well.

These are what the Ultraguard used to be essentially. The internals of the Ultraguard were changed/cheapened from my understanding.

 

[donjetman]

Fram changed ownership a yr or 2 ago and cheapened the contruction of their premium oil filter lines (Ultras, Endurance, Titanium).
I quit buying them a couple of yrs ago when this was discovered (BITOG forum).
I still have 1 or 2 of the OG Ultras left I'll use one of these days.

Fram is currently up for sale again.

 

[OR VietVet]

Fram has this newish oil filter. I have been using it with good results.
FRAM Synthetic Endurance™
FE10060 Engine Oil Filter


It is the short version. But I'm sure they have a longer version as well.

They advertise it as a 25k miles filter. Gonna share how long you will go?

 

[kbuskill]

They advertise it as a 25k miles filter. Gonna share how long you will go?

I regularly run 15k mile OCIs on my Burb with 355k miles, but I also run two Fram Ultra XG8A oil filters and with factory oil cooler, aftermarket oil cooler, and the dual remote mount filter setup and associated hoses my truck holds about 9 quarts of oil.

I just today purchased the Endurance filters for my '08 Civic that I use for work. I also run 15k mile OCIs on it. Blackstone says they both look good with these intervals.

 

[OR VietVet]

I regularly run 15k mile OCIs on my Burb with 355k miles, but I also run two Fram Ultra XG8A oil filters and with factory oil cooler, aftermarket oil cooler, and the dual remote mount filter setup and associated hoses my truck holds about 9 quarts of oil.

I just today purchased the Endurance filters for my '08 Civic that I use for work. I also run 15k mile OCIs on it. Blackstone says they both look good with these intervals.

Can't compare the Suburban set up and the Honda is a different engine. I have had many a parent ask me what to get their kids for a first car. I told them that Toyota and Honda handle lack of maintenance better than any others.

 

[the blur]

The FE Fram is a good filter. They make many filters for GM, and to GM specs. The longer version works too, but Fram won't stand behind it for our application.

 

[Jetskier77]

I'm experimenting with the PPE filter. More filtering media and it filters down to 10 microns versus 30 for most other filters. We'll see how it performs.

 

[the blur]

PPE is a nice filter. Especially for LS motors, which are sensitive to particulate. But I can walk into autozone and buy Fram. or walmart a fram.

 

[OR VietVet]

I'm experimenting with the PPE filter. More filtering media and it filters down to 10 microns versus 30 for most other filters. We'll see how it performs.

How are you "experimenting" with the PPE filter? Sending oil in for analysis? Cutting open the filter and attempting to "see" the difference? I really am interested.

 

[strutaeng]

Interesting. I buy Wix oil filters for my Gen III engines from RA, usually in 6-12 packs.

I was watching Lake Speed Jr and he briefly mentioned not replacing the oil filter every oil change, but rather every other change. He mentioned he had done another video discussing that but I didn't look it up...but it's probably because the oil filter media captures particles and it becomes more "efficient," if I had to guess?

Anyways, I always make a mess replacing the oil filters. I would be interested in hearing anyone that does oil filters every other time. If anyone does that at all? IDK? Using the appropriate or recommended oil filter, of course. Even then, 25,000 miles on an oil filter seems kinda crazy to me, LOL.

 

[ReaperHWK]

I don’t care that it can filter for 25k miles you need fresh oil every 5k with these motors, takes 3 min to put a new filter on.

 

[kbuskill]

I don’t care that it can filter for 25k miles you need fresh oil every 5k with these motors, takes 3 min to put a new filter on.

It is certainly cheap insurance to change it every 5k miles but with modern full synthetic oils, NEED is a rather strong word. I believe the used oil analysis backs up this claim.

 

[Charlie207]

Discounting milage, what is a good lifespan of synthetic oil? I work from home, and take forever to put 5,000 my miles on my 5w-30.

I but cases of AC Delco filters, and they last a long time.

 

[homesick]

I don’t care that it can filter for 25k miles you need fresh oil every 5k with these motors, takes 3 min to put a new filter on.

Absolutely. They're cheap insurance.

joe

 

[rdezs]

It's not so much a question of how many miles does the oil last... It's more of a question of your driving style. Frequent stop and go or pulling a trailer, short trips = more combustion gas pollutants in the oil and frequent changes are in order. (It's not that the oil is worn out, it's contamination) You could do 10,000 easy miles at 60 MPH not towing anything, and you would have less pollutants in the oil compared to someone who did 3,500 miles of stop and go.)

I changed mine every 3500 miles regardless. Cheap if you do it yourself.

 

[j91z28d1]

Discounting milage, what is a good lifespan of synthetic oil? I work from home, and take forever to put 5,000 my miles on my 5w-30.

I but cases of AC Delco filters, and they last a long time.

we have a lot of equipment that doesn't get run very often but has to when you need it. I'm told engineers were involved with the schedule appointments, but who knows forsure. but our fleet software triggers and oil/filter change every 500h run time or one year. whichever comes first.

in 25 isn't years, I've only changed 3 engines I can think of, all 3 seem to be random and not oil related. old carb line 6 pulled the wrist pin out of the bottom of a piston, still got used for a few days before anyone reported a miss lol. probably 20 years of hard use. a newer v10 Ford gas did spin a rod but they seem to be known as unreliable and a newer Cummins that tossed a rod, Cummins analysis said rod bolt failure at just over a 100h. nothing oil related, assembly defect.

I also hear like said above, it's not the oil breaking down it's what's in the oil. so like guys that store their sports or vintage cars over the winter. go out and start them randomly to idle for 20mins are doing more harm then good. my understanding is its best to park the car, winterize it and just leave it alone. then spring, change the oil before starting it. that leaves all the acids and oil stuff in the pan, not pumped thru the motor. change. then first start.

since you need to use it during winter but not, but not everyday. I might time my once a year oil change to just before the first cold snap. get clean oil in there to start the harsh winner.

 

[j91z28d1]

Interesting. I buy Wix oil filters for my Gen III engines from RA, usually in 6-12 packs.

I was watching Lake Speed Jr and he briefly mentioned not replacing the oil filter every oil change, but rather every other change. He mentioned he had done another video discussing that but I didn't look it up...but it's probably because the oil filter media captures particles and it becomes more "efficient," if I had to guess?

Anyways, I always make a mess replacing the oil filters. I would be interested in hearing anyone that does oil filters every other time. If anyone does that at all? IDK? Using the appropriate or recommended oil filter, of course. Even then, 25,000 miles on an oil filter seems kinda crazy to me, LOL.

I wish I could find it. but they was a interview on a YouTube engine building pod cast. they interviewed a engineer from Baldwin filters. they asked him about the theory that filters filter better as they fill up. he said well technically in a lab setting we can see this, but in real life the run time between when it's full enough to filter better and the back pressure rises to the point of bypass is so close you could never actually schedule maintenance based on that.

short answer, change the filter when you change the oil. the engine manufacturer probably sized the filter to match the oil change recommendations if they didn't have another parameter they had to hit like packaging or something. which would limit the filter size and want it changed sooner

 

[Jetskier77]

How are you "experimenting" with the PPE filter? Sending oil in for analysis? Cutting open the filter and attempting to "see" the difference? I really am interested.

I bought several of them after recommendations from some folks I trust. Just put the first one on a few weeks ago. On the next oil change, I plan on not only visually looking at the used oil for differences, but taking a sample and sending it off to Blackstone for analysis. I'm interested to see if there are any measurable differences to my analysis from last year.