E85 Flex Fuel Description

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** Found this on another site (https://www.chevelles.com/threads/gm-tech-alcohol-fuel-sensor-question.849586/) However, it should be of great interest to many of us.**


E85 compatible vehicles no longer use an alcohol sensor to determine and adjust for the alcohol content of the fuel in the tank. Instead, the vehicle calculates the alcohol content of the fuel through measured adjustments.

The ethanol calculation occurs with the engine running after a refueling event has been detected via a measured change in the fuel level sender output. The virtual flex fuel sensor (V-FFS) algorithm temporarily closes the canister purge valve for a few seconds and monitors information from the closed loop fuel trim system to calculate the ethanol content. This logic executes several times until the ethanol calculation is deemed to be stable. This may take several minutes under low fuel flow conditions such as idle, or a shorter time during higher fuel flow, off-idle conditions.

Air-fuel ratios and the corresponding ethanol percentage are updated following each purge-off sequence. The fuel alcohol content percentage value can be read on a scan tool.

When an E85 compatible vehicle is built, an ECM or PCM replaced, or if the learned alcohol content has been reset with a scan tool the fuel system will need to contain ASTM gasoline with 10 percent or less ethanol content.

A minimum of 11 liters (3 gallons) must be put in the tank in order for the vehicle to recognize a re-fueling event. It is not necessary to turn the ignition OFF in order to have the re-fueling event recognized, however local safety regulations should be followed.

After the re-fueling event, the system registers the amount of fuel that was added, relative to the amount that was in the tank. Reading fuel trim and O2 sensor activity, the system determines if the fuel added was either ASTM Gasoline or ASTM E85. Based on that determination, the system adjusts to the expected alcohol mix in the fuel tank, and then the fuel trim and O2 sensor activity fine tunes the adjustments. The system must remain in closed loop in order for this adjustment to occur. Numerous short trips after switching from gasoline to E85, or E85 to gasoline, can result in driveability symptoms due to the inability of the system to adjust for fuel composition by not attaining closed loop operation
 

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Don't forget that there is a TSB that covers several years (some 2009-2011) for an updated calibration:

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This makes a lot of sence. I fill mine up with E85 and then add 2x the amount of 87 and I am noticing after a fill up I will see the Ethanol content spike to say 50% then it would drop down gradually until it settles at around E30. On my last fill up there was something odd with the E85 as I added 50/50 and my ethanol content read E19.

Good thing is the mix creates a high octane fuel similar to 93 but costs about 1.50 less per gal and on 30gal that's a good chunk of money to save. I get zero knock retard using E20 and above so this is helpful. On a few occasions when 93 was not available and I had to use 87 I would get anywhere from 5-14deg of knock retard and while you cant feel it you can see the engine trying to adjust for this low octane fuel.
 

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