Feds to roll back Start/Stop Technology

[OBSandaNNBS]

I wouldn't bother arguing about the newer tech. It seems on this forum, people who don't even have one of this generation truck will comment about them. If you don't like the technology on our newer trucks fine, some of us have no problem with it. Start Stop has been around quite a while. It saves fuel and less pollution. I barely notice it on my 2021 Suburban.

I really don't get how this is misunderstood...

I wouldn't tell you what to do with your own truck. ASS clearly saves fuel, and if you want it on your new truck, all the power to you. Not everyone does, but they are shoehorned into the negatives with no option. THAT is the rub, see?

Negatives being potential issues due to the huge multiplier on engine starts (these can be debated and you can turn it off at least) and R&D costs which you must pay in the MSRP...

I really think we should either put up or shut up. Either deal with the negatives, IE 10% worse economy, of a solid ICE, or put those R&D dollars into better electric/hybrids. Why are we screwing around with these fancy dancy in-betweenies? If pollution is such a big deal, aren't electrics or hybrids better?

Does this make sense or not?

 

[OBSandaNNBS]

I wouldn't bother arguing about the newer tech. It seems on this forum, people who don't even have one of this generation truck will comment about them. If you don't like the technology on our newer trucks fine, some of us have no problem with it. Start Stop has been around quite a while. It saves fuel and less pollution. I barely notice it on my 2021 Suburban.

Another thing supposed to reduce pollution is AFM. AFM can lead to increased oil consumption. Which means burning.

Not sure how much better the young T1s are than GMT900, but it's kind of laughable to worry about 10% fuel savings when we have a mini 2 stroke V8. Burning oil is way worse than a little gas in terms of pollution. So turn off your AFM for the environment!

 

[LEsoftballdad]

I do. 2019 Equinox. How does the owner I know deal with it in hot days? He lets his foot off the brake to restart the engine...GM fixed it in subsequent years.

Any thoughts the other points I mentioned?

See, this can be a reasonable discussion

I had a 2019 Equinox that my daughter used for commuting to school. As soon as I realized there was no shut-off button on the car, I bought a Range Disabler so she didn't have to shift through the gears manually to keep it off. That was an added expense of roughly $200 that I didn't want, but I gladly paid for it to eliminate that annoying feature. My 2019 Enclave had the same problem.

The DFM on my 21 Sierra caused the lifters to fail at 5,000 miles. I sold it almost immediately after that, and now I drive a 24 Yukon with the 3.0 Duramax, which still has the annoying ASS feature.

 

[DuraYuk]

I wouldn't bother arguing about the newer tech. It seems on this forum, people who don't even have one of this generation truck will comment about them. If you don't like the technology on our newer trucks fine, some of us have no problem with it. Start Stop has been around quite a while. It saves fuel and less pollution. I barely notice it on my 2021 Suburban.

Exactly. The vast majority who post in the 21+ threads are generations behind. And their vernacular shows us exactly who they are. Doesn't make sense to me how some just want everything to stay in the stoneage or how tech averse they are because of one random piece of data they clutch tight.

 

[DuraYuk]

Another thing supposed to reduce pollution is AFM. AFM can lead to increased oil consumption. Which means burning.

Not sure how much better the young T1s are than GMT900, but it's kind of laughable to worry about 10% fuel savings when we have a mini 2 stroke V8. Burning oil is way worse than a little gas in terms of pollution. So turn off your AFM for the environment!

10% is huge. Doesn't matter what the context is. Whether its engines or banking or investments.

 

[OBSandaNNBS]

Exactly. The vast majority who post in the 21+ threads are generations behind. And their vernacular shows us exactly who they are. Doesn't make sense to me how some just want everything to stay in the stoneage or how tech averse they are because of one random piece of data they clutch tight.

Yeah the vernacular is different. I came here to talk sense into y'all.

Actually I just hopped on an interesting thread I saw on the homepage.

 

[OBSandaNNBS]

I had a 2019 Equinox that my daughter used for commuting to school. As soon as I realized there was no shut-off button on the car, I bought a Range Disabler so she didn't have to shift through the gears manually to keep it off. That was an added expense of roughly $200 that I didn't want, but I gladly paid for it to eliminate that annoying feature. My 2019 Enclave had the same problem.

The DFM on my 21 Sierra caused the lifters to fail at 5,000 miles. I sold it almost immediately after that, and now I drive a 24 Yukon with the 3.0 Duramax, which still has the annoying ASS feature.

See, I knew some T1 guys knew...
Sorry you had problems with the 21. 5K is insane.

 

[OBSandaNNBS]

10% is huge. Doesn't matter what the context is. Whether its engines or banking or investments.

Again, the point is, the minute you start burning oil, caused by things like AFM, any savings are wiped out in a very short time. From a pollution standpoint.

You can't be this thick, I

Waaaaaaiiiiittt. You trolling me bro?

Good one, you got me. Seriously, bravo.
You get what I'm saying. An eighth grader would...
Ha, been awhile!

 

[DuraYuk]

Again, the point is, the minute you start burning oil, caused by things like AFM, any savings are wiped out in a very short time. From a pollution standpoint.

You can't be this thick, I

Waaaaaaiiiiittt. You trolling me bro?

Good one, you got me. Seriously, bravo.
You get what I'm saying. An eighth grader would...
Ha, been awhile!

No one is burning oil between oil changes. If you are in a measurable way something is wrong.

You guys seem to have this 'idea' that tech sucks regardless of what it is because the gubment. Every single thread in this forums that despises technology has to do with either a BS conspiracy or the gubment (dont even mention how its 95% folks who have never owned the things they are talking about)

Pretend I agree with you and move it along. Forums have always been a place for people to get real life info and solutions. Now its just conspiracy.

Lifters have been dropping in gm vehicles for a long time before afm/dfm. Transmissions have been failing before the 8speed. Electronics have been failing before touchscreen. I literally paid for my college and my first few houses because of GM warranty work. But yeah the new stuff is the problem.

In the words of Charlie Brown, "Good grief!".

 

[Marky Dissod]

Start Stop has been around quite a while. It saves fuel and less pollution. I barely notice it ...

Glad you're getting along with A.S.S., JER-RY.

 

[OBSandaNNBS]

No one is burning oil between oil changes. If you are in a measurable way something is wrong.

You guys seem to have this 'idea' that tech sucks regardless of what it is because the gubment. Every single thread in this forums that despises technology has to do with either a BS conspiracy or the gubment (dont even mention how its 95% folks who have never owned the things they are talking about) Its honestly exhausting.

Pretend I agree with you and move it along. Forums have always been a place for people to get real life info and solutions. Now its just conspiracy. Its ridiculous.

Lifters have been dropping in gm vehicles for a long time before afm/dfm. Transmissions have been failing before the 8speed. Electronics have been failing before touchscreen. I literally paid for my college and my first few houses because of GM warranty work. But yeah the new stuff is the problem.

In the words of Charlie Brown, "Good grief!".

Who are you "you guys"-ing? What conspiracies?

My first and subsequent posts in this thread were in support of electric. Not sure how much more techy and/or overwatchy you can get...the problem isn't with tech, it's with specific systems.

 

[DuraYuk]

Who are you "you guys"-ing? What conspiracies?

My first and subsequent posts in this thread were in support of electric. Not sure how much more techy and/or overwatchy you can get...the problem isn't with tech, it's with specific systems.

The tech works and gets results.

Its that simple. If you dont like it there's a button. Literally as good as it gets. Maybe they could make the button have memory so you dont need to press it every time.

 

[B-train]

I see. This isn't about how things work. But 'oversight'. Nice word choice guys. Let's keep fighting science.

The systems are designed for it. Its not grandpas car with no other improvements running it. Oil pressure ? Doesn't drop to zero when it was just on then off. It has to bleed off. It doesnt. The electrical system is designed to sustain it and maintain charge. There's algorithms it doesn't always auto stop unless all parameters are met.

I get that you dont like it. Thats all you gotta say but dont make up bullet points that are easily disproven.


Thankfully we all have a choice.

Does the Start/Stop Function Really Improve Your Car’s Fuel Economy? - Consumer Reports

The automatic start/stop function shuts off the engine when your car is idling. But just how much does this technology really save you on gas?

www.consumerreports.org

Do Stop-Start Systems Really Save Fuel? | Edmunds

An increasing number of new cars are being equipped with stop-start systems that are designed to save fuel by shutting off the engine at stoplights. But do they work?

www.edmunds.com

I don't want to get in a pissing match.....but common sense says that something in motion is probably happier in motion (science). Not being forced to hit the brakes and then go back to operating. You can't make or destroy matter, and energy purely changes states (also science)......so NO, A.S.S. doesn't actually SAVE anything, it merely robs Peter to pay Paul.

Yes, oil pressure does drop off pretty quickly. Think of the toasted motors talked about on here with loss of oil pressure (21 + 6.2L). How long is your average stoplight? There's NO residual pressure left by the time it turns green again......maybe a smidgen if you're a stop sign roller.

Also, yes, if you listen to your vehicle you will learn the "criteria " of when it will activate or not (done it countless times with loaners and rentals), but you have to actively try to NOT make it work - it's bound and determined to save the last drop to any/all detriments.

"OK" the systems are designed for it......sure, but only as long as the mfg needs it to be for warranty and CAFE requirements/credits. Why purposely put more strain on the ENTIRE system to save a thimble of fuel? Makes no sense, except to beurocrats and bean counters. People with mechanical common sense will see otherwise.

And to your point: I don't like it, I think it's a pitiful waste of engineering knowledge and execution.

 

[B-train]

Blue hair huh ? There it is folks.

I love how all this is based on what you feel and not what you know.

No, there's just commonalities for people who drive many thousands of miles a year with a bunch of other people, many of whom are ignorant of how cars work, are awful drivers, or meet one of many stereotypes: one being the blue haired driver.

BTW: you don't have to drive a pruis to qualify.......you can drive a AMC Pacer, Lincoln town car, any cadillac sedan, most Buicks, a Mercedes, BMW, or just about anything you can still get in and operate that your "younger" generation hasn't saved you from in your older age.

To sum it all up, don't get so butt-hurt.....if you love it, and think SCIENCE supports it, then good for you. If you can't handle common consensus of the "masses", then bow out and keep snide remarks to yourself. You're grasping at straws buddy......

 

[homesick]

No, there's just commonalities for people who drive many thousands of miles a year with a bunch of other people, many of whom are ignorant of how cars work, are awful drivers, or meet one of many stereotypes: one being the blue haired driver.

BTW: you don't have to drive a pruis to qualify.......you can drive a AMC Pacer, Lincoln town car, any cadillac sedan, most Buicks, a Mercedes, BMW, or just about anything you can still get in and operate that your "younger" generation hasn't saved you from in your older age.

To sum it all up, don't get so butt-hurt.....if you love it, and think SCIENCE supports it, then good for you. If you can't handle common consensus of the "masses", then bow out and keep snide remarks to yourself. You're grasping at straws buddy......

I respect your effort, but I don't think you'll ever ********* his echo chamber.

joe

 

[DuraYuk]

No, there's just commonalities for people who drive many thousands of miles a year with a bunch of other people, many of whom are ignorant of how cars work, are awful drivers, or meet one of many stereotypes: one being the blue haired driver.

BTW: you don't have to drive a pruis to qualify.......you can drive a AMC Pacer, Lincoln town car, any cadillac sedan, most Buicks, a Mercedes, BMW, or just about anything you can still get in and operate that your "younger" generation hasn't saved you from in your older age.

To sum it all up, don't get so butt-hurt.....if you love it, and think SCIENCE supports it, then good for you. If you can't handle common consensus of the "masses", then bow out and keep snide remarks to yourself. You're grasping at straws buddy......

Grasping at straws when the science and engineering prove my point ? Ok sport.

80% of the respondents to this post don't even have experience with this. Its amusing.

Since we have cleared up what blue hair means we should come up with a term for old heads who hate technology and who believe in conspiracies.

I guess we cracked the code tho. For many it works, for some they turn it off. For the tech averse its scary and needs to be killed. Got it. Thanks for the 2cents.

 

[2024 White Tahoe]

I think it's stupid too. Yes fuel injection won as it should have. It's a performance upgrade in typical daily drivers of today. I don't see where ass is gonna help performance. Mileage, maybe. I also hate tire pressure sensors but guess we're stuck with that too

I think the tire pressure sensors are one of the most useful features.

 

[OBSandaNNBS]

80% of the respondents to this post don't even have experience with this. Its amusing.

I just want to know, how do you know what we have experience with?

 

[DuraYuk]

I just want to know, how do you know what we have experience with?

Because of your posts. And I'd imagine when you or others bash the newest model you wouldn't be caught dead in one.

I hate apple so I have android. Get it?

 

[OBSandaNNBS]

Because of your posts. And I'd imagine when you or others bash the newest model you wouldn't be caught dead in one.

In other words, you are making assumptions based on your preconceived ideas of how we arrived at our opinions, without really attempting to understand why we got here.

That's just a weak MO my guy. On a forum or in life.

Seek first to understand. Always assume the other person has some you can learn.

I'm trying to strike a more cordial tone, to help you see why we are here, but you seem like you already know.