Is there a thread with dealers charging msrp vs a market adj?

[Polo08816]

Most dealers in the PAC-NW are at $5K off the 1500’s, which is a better deal than Supplier Pricing.

Your dealer is probably keeping the markup for now because there will always be people that don’t bother to ask about a lower price, it’s pure profit for them.

Different ballgame on the SUVs.

This is not going to last. I think it's going to be the same as the 1/2 ton pickups by the end of Q4 2023.

I mean, perhaps, it will be the case for GM. But they would be leaving market share to get picked up by Ford and Stellantis if GM doesn't continue to increase production levels and capacity.

 

[Stbentoak]

Ford and Stellantis have no vehicle to compete with a Duramax Tahoe/Yukon/Esky. These vehicles will never be available under MSRP. Especially with the ongoing lifter issue. They are still mostly unheard of at dealers and never "Just show up" in dealer stock.....

 

[Polo08816]

Ford and Stellantis have no vehicle to compete with a Duramax Tahoe/Yukon/Esky. These vehicles will never be available under MSRP. Especially with the ongoing lifter issue. They are still mostly unheard of at dealers and never "Just show up" in dealer stock.....

I'm not sure if they have no vehicle to compete with a Duramax - they just don't have a diesel option.

After having turbocharged inline 6 engines, I really don't need any additional complexity in the powertrain (of a diesel engine and its related emissions components) for long term ownership.

While I prefer the simplicity of naturally aspirated V8s at this point, the power output of the turbocharged V6s from Ford and Stellantis are more than sufficient. The current generation of the 3.5 EcoBoost seems to have almost all of its problems worked out. You'll get a more range with a Duramax, but I don't think I'll necessarily see any cost savings due to the premium cost of diesel fuel.

 

[todayusay]

I think it'll be even sooner than the EOY - larger local dealer has 3 SLEs that have been sitting. Website shows priced at sticker. Yeah I know they're SLEs, but that market is what will quit buying first...unless you "want" to be frugal, an SLE buyer is probably financing and 6-7-8% is hard to stomach right now. Recently read that 85% of new car purchases are financed...

As far as diesel Tahoes - here are a few new diesel tahoes that have pics online...meaning if they were already sold they wouldn't be taking pics and posting them...will be interesting to see how long they stay up. I'd guess by the end of the week they are all sold. If so, that's still better than seeing a stock picture of an unavailable vehicle in transit.

honestly these are probably still available simply because they are diesels...

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[Stbentoak]

there are many dealerships who "Advertise" at MSRP... Ahhh, but when you arrive...there are "acquisition" fees and market demand "markups"....
The one you show in Warsaw, IN even says this in fine print at the bottom. I'm not saying they can't be bought for MSRP. But you won't get away from any of these dealers for MSRP and 150.00 in paperwork, and you are gone, believe me.
If these are truly available, they'll be gone w/in a week.... People are scouring for these every day.....

 

[Polo08816]

I think it'll be even sooner than the EOY - larger local dealer has 3 SLEs that have been sitting. Website shows priced at sticker. Yeah I know they're SLEs, but that market is what will quit buying first...unless you "want" to be frugal, an SLE buyer is probably financing and 6-7-8% is hard to stomach right now. Recently read that 85% of new car purchases are financed...

As far as diesel Tahoes - here are a few new diesel tahoes that have pics online...meaning if they were already sold they wouldn't be taking pics and posting them...will be interesting to see how long they stay up. I'd guess by the end of the week they are all sold. If so, that's still better than seeing a stock picture of an unavailable vehicle in transit.

honestly these are probably still available simply because they are diesels...

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there are many dealerships who "Advertise" at MSRP... Ahhh, but when you arrive...there are "acquisition" fees and market demand "markups"....
The one you show in Warsaw, IN even says this in fine print at the bottom. I'm not saying they can't be bought for MSRP. But you won't get away from any of these dealers for MSRP and 150.00 in paperwork, and you are gone, believe me.
If these are truly available, they'll be gone w/in a week.... People are scouring for these every day.....

It seems like the debate here is only whether the Duramax will still be in short supply by the end of 2023. It doesn't seem like we're debating whether there will be enough 5.3L or 6.2L to meet demand by the end of 2023.

 

[Polo08816]

It seems like the debate here is only whether the Duramax will still be in short supply by the end of 2023. It doesn't seem like we're debating whether there will be enough 5.3L or 6.2L to meet demand by the end of 2023.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/01/gmc-brand-running-at-more-than-70-days-supply-in-december-2022/

 

[steiny93]

Ford and Stellantis have no vehicle to compete with a Duramax Tahoe/Yukon/Esky. These vehicles will never be available under MSRP. Especially with the ongoing lifter issue. They are still mostly unheard of at dealers and never "Just show up" in dealer stock.....

They were and they will be again (I paid well under MSRP for the wife's diesel denali xl).

 

[DuraYuk]

They were and they will be again (I paid well under MSRP for the wife's diesel denali xl).

What's well under msrp? Im curious.

 

[DuraYuk]

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/01/gmc-brand-running-at-more-than-70-days-supply-in-december-2022/

As a whole yes. Mostly trucks. Corvettes, duramax, not really widely available. As well as evs etc.

 

[steiny93]

What's well under msrp? Im curious.

12%, order and wait scenario

 

[DuraYuk]

12%, order and wait scenario

Did you get supplier price ? And how long did you wait? I was able to get pretty close with a work program I qualified for. 4 months for me.

 

[n4gkj]

I placed an order for a 2023 Tahoe Highcountry on 11.21.. Sticker was $81265... I picked it up from dealer last night for $78098 plus tax/title... Very fair deal...

 

[steiny93]

Did you get supplier price ? And how long did you wait? I was able to get pretty close with a work program I qualified for. 4 months for me.

Placed order then 9 weeks, truck came in as ordered at the same price as articulated at time of order.

It wasn't a specific pricing model (like supplier or employee, etc.); rather it was me as a customer negotiating with a dealer on a new vehicle. At the time of order I wasn't to happy with 12% (previous purchase was at 23% off); but the wife was ready for a different vehicle. Now looking back it seems pretty decent when considering today's pricing.

 

[Polo08816]

As a whole yes. Mostly trucks. Corvettes, duramax, not really widely available. As well as evs etc.

I agree with your statement. I see "excess" inventory of 1/2 ton gas trucks. Supply for full size SUVs is still not meeting demand but I (crystal ball) think that will change by Q4 of 2023. It'll be interesting to see how EV (cars and not trucks) will play out. GM will probably have to "play the game" with Tesla which is a price war.

 

[greg_tahoe84]

I have a deal with a dealer of msrp plus some installed options (LoJack, door guards, tinting, wheel locks, floor liners), many of which I find useful. They are giving me a nice trade in. With the tax break from trade in plus throwing in delivery and pick up of my trade in it ends up being probably around MSRP. At least there’s no “market adjustment” price where I pay for nothing.

Edit: Never mind they actually wanted to drive my new car to my location instead of towing it over. My car would be used by the time it gets to my door.

 

[greg_tahoe84]

The most frustrating thing is when I do the shop click and buy thing on the website, I set up everything and submit. and then they come at me with an additional $5000 market adjustment IN ADDITION to the dealer installed package that I was fine paying for. It’s bad enough that there is a market adjustment, but when it’s completely non transparent and thrown in my face…. Hard pass.

I am fine paying a little extra for dealer installed stuff that I could do anyway (paint protection, LoJack, etc). At least it’s tangible and not paying for the air I breathe in. Even though they offered me an excellent trade in, like 4k more than other places, this just ****** me off.

As long as there are filthy rich, price insensitive suckers willing to overpay for a vehicle, this will never change.