Motor oil revelations !

[James Ward]

Didn't think I'd change my mine, for years I've used Mobil-1, but I had to revise my thinking when I was discussing motor oil with my friend next door. It's pretty clear that Mobil-1 isn't the do all oil I was lead to believe and used over the years. So I ordered 9 quarts of Pennzoil Ultra synthetic 0W/20 for my L83 and a few PH-63 filters in my 2015 Tahoe. Oil is a strange thing when you think about it, we all have a "favorite" and how that particular brand came to be a Favorite is a odd kind of thing. But sooner or later we decide to find something better. Amsoil is the best by a good lead, That said, it's expensive when buying 9 quarts. I change the oil every 4-5 months or 4.000 miles no matter how many often I used the truck.

 

[donjetman]

If your gonna use Fram, use their Ultra XG series.

 

[PG01]

If your gonna use Fram, use their Ultra XG series.

I know everyone hates fram filters and say they blow apart etc etc... gotta tell ya ive been using them for 30+ years in all my cars/trucks.... from 70’s chevys to modern day hondas GM trucks and not once.... not 1 single time has a fram oil filter failed on me. That being said I recently chnged over to a K&N filter for all my vehicles because of the convenience of the welded on nut... no other reason but that.

 

[swathdiver]

I know everyone hates fram filters and say they blow apart etc etc... gotta tell ya ive been using them for 30+ years in all my cars/trucks.... from 70’s chevys to modern day hondas GM trucks and not once.... not 1 single time has a fram oil filter failed on me. That being said I recently chnged over to a K&N filter for all my vehicles because of the convenience of the welded on nut... no other reason but that.

Same experience and reasoning for the K&N as Pete with the added caveat that the K&N really is a superior filter to the competition.

 

[Bob2C]

I have always used the OEM filters in all my cars since I started driving. Never had any engine issues. I just do it for peace of mind just in the rare case I have an issue, they can’t blame oil filter as cause. You know quick to blame it something the owner did or didn’t do.

 

[thompsoj22]

Didn't think I'd change my mine, for years I've used Mobil-1, but I had to revise my thinking when I was discussing motor oil with my friend next door. It's pretty clear that Mobil-1 isn't the do all oil I was lead to believe and used over the years. So I ordered 9 quarts of Pennzoil Ultra synthetic 0W/20 for my L83 and a few PH-63 filters in my 2015 Tahoe. Oil is a strange thing when you think about it, we all have a "favorite" and how that particular brand came to be a Favorite is a odd kind of thing. But sooner or later we decide to find something better. Amsoil is the best by a good lead, That said, it's expensive when buying 9 quarts. I change the oil every 4-5 months or 4.000 miles no matter how many often I used the truck.

so how is penzoil superior to mobil one? I cant believe im asking because i dont really want to open this can of worms but ill bite.

 

[George B]

 

[drakon543]

i dont use k&n because your just paying extra for that nut. i bought a set of the oil filter sockets for my ratchets. i generally dont need them as i put them on by hand and remove them by hand generally. only oils i wont use is store brand anything and quaker state. far as im aware quaker state came a long way since ive had problems with it but they have already tarnished thier reputation with me. outside of that i buy oil appropriate for what im using it in.

 

[swathdiver]

i dont use k&n because your just paying extra for that nut.

The ACDelco PF48E filters down to 21 microns, the PF63E to 25-30 microns. The K&N HP-2011 down to 10-12 microns. All at 90%.

The PF48E flows 660 gallons per hour, 792 for the PF63E and 960 for the K&N. It beats WIX and Mobil 1 too.

Does it add up to a hill of beans? Well, I can say that my engine makes more oil pressure with the K&N compared with the PF63E or Mobil M1-212A. So the increased oil pressure AND the nut are what keep me buying them when on sale. They're expensive but that's nothing compared to how much I spend on my women! LOL

 

[BG1988]

Didn't think I'd change my mine, for years I've used Mobil-1, but I had to revise my thinking when I was discussing motor oil with my friend next door. It's pretty clear that Mobil-1 isn't the do all oil I was lead to believe and used over the years. So I ordered 9 quarts of Pennzoil Ultra synthetic 0W/20 for my L83 and a few PH-63 filters in my 2015 Tahoe. Oil is a strange thing when you think about it, we all have a "favorite" and how that particular brand came to be a Favorite is a odd kind of thing. But sooner or later we decide to find something better. Amsoil is the best by a good lead, That said, it's expensive when buying 9 quarts. I change the oil every 4-5 months or 4.000 miles no matter how many often I used the truck.

i'm 4500 miles into my oil change the oil is still clean the issue starts from the first owner some will change it every 7.5 or 10k miles that is if you only want the engine not to last very long...


I change as soon as i see carbon flakes floating in it.... honestly i;m a bit surprised its still clean.. but normally there will be some carbon flakes floating around at 4500 miles.... the engine mostly runs between 1000 and 2000 rpm Never driven higher then that RPM..

The ACDelco PF48E filters down to 21 microns, the PF63E to 25-30 microns. The K&N HP-2011 down to 10-12 microns. All at 90%.

The PF48E flows 660 gallons per hour, 792 for the PF63E and 960 for the K&N. It beats WIX and Mobil 1 too.

Does it add up to a hill of beans? Well, I can say that my engine makes more oil pressure with the K&N compared with the PF63E or Mobil M1-212A. So the increased oil pressure AND the nut are what keep me buying them when on sale. They're expensive but that's nothing compared to how much I spend on my women! LOL

go get a Genuine corvette oil pump shell run 40-50PSI idle and 70-75PSI on a cold start

 

[drakon543]

The ACDelco PF48E filters down to 21 microns, the PF63E to 25-30 microns. The K&N HP-2011 down to 10-12 microns. All at 90%.

The PF48E flows 660 gallons per hour, 792 for the PF63E and 960 for the K&N. It beats WIX and Mobil 1 too.

Does it add up to a hill of beans? Well, I can say that my engine makes more oil pressure with the K&N compared with the PF63E or Mobil M1-212A. So the increased oil pressure AND the nut are what keep me buying them when on sale. They're expensive but that's nothing compared to how much I spend on my women! LOL

probably redesigned thier filters since the last report i read from motor trend. was a while ago but the report put the wix and fram right besides the k&n with i think the napa trailing by a very small margin. most of the rest were in the same ballpark with a few junks.

 

[thompsoj22]

The ACDelco PF48E filters down to 21 microns, the PF63E to 25-30 microns. The K&N HP-2011 down to 10-12 microns. All at 90%.

The PF48E flows 660 gallons per hour, 792 for the PF63E and 960 for the K&N. It beats WIX and Mobil 1 too.

Does it add up to a hill of beans? Well, I can say that my engine makes more oil pressure with the K&N compared with the PF63E or Mobil M1-212A. So the increased oil pressure AND the nut are what keep me buying them when on sale. They're expensive but that's nothing compared to how much I spend on my women! LOL

Is the increased pressure applied to the bearings? is pressure measured before the filter or after? How can a filter increase pressure? Ill throw a K&N at it tomorrow without changing the oil cause it only has a couple hundred miles on the "sub standard mobil one 5/30"lol! but i would like to see if i get the same results.

 

[James Ward]

so how is penzoil superior to mobil one? I cant believe im asking because i dont really want to open this can of worms but ill bite.

And neither do I, but a PH-63 is a AC delco filter and while I am only exposed to current auto news, it does seem like Pennzoil has a better product, even if only marginal. As far as oil filters, I really don't think GM would produce a product like a oil filter that they were going to try to pinch a few pennies, so I am a creature of habit, and even since I was in a Navy CB unit, the mechanics always stuck by their statement, "You can never have too fresh of oil in the engine!" I don't knock down all that many miles on my Tahoe, so in that sense I'm even worse on the oil than say a heavy used driver. I should say that Mobil-1 is still a 'Dexos oil' so GM thinks it's ok, but . . . ? I do wonder about is the Viscosity oil have. Is a 0W/20 oil really necessary ? At 210 degrees or hotter all that good on a super hot summer drive?, is that 20W really all that good or is maybe somethings else better ? Got me guessing ! Oil pressure is the result of the volume of oil the pump puts out. Every rebuilder ( Jasper, powerstroke ect) installs a high volume oil pump as standard policy. I assume GM went with a high volume oil pump for the same reasons, and as a result of the lighter weight oils like the 0W/20 oil.

 

[thompsoj22]

And neither do I, but a PH-63 is a AC delco filter and while I am only exposed to current auto news, it does seem like Pennzoil has a better product, even if only marginal. As far as oil filters, I really don't think GM would produce a product like a oil filter that they were going to try to pinch a few pennies, so I am a creature of habit, and even since I was in a Navy CB unit, the mechanics always stuck by their statement, "You can never have too fresh of oil in the engine!" I don't knock down all that many miles on my Tahoe, so in that sense I'm even worse on the oil than say a heavy used driver. I should say that Mobil-1 is still a 'Dexos oil' so GM thinks it's ok, but . . . ? I do wonder about is the Viscosity oil have. Is a 0W/20 oil really necessary ? At 210 degrees or hotter all that good on a super hot summer drive?, is that 20W really all that good or is maybe somethings else better ? Got me guessing ! Oil pressure is the result of the volume of oil the pump puts out. Every rebuilder ( Jasper, powerstroke ect) installs a high volume oil pump as standard policy. I assume GM went with a high volume oil pump for the same reasons, and as a result of the lighter weight oils like the 0W/20 oil.

i have used mobil one for a long time, i "drank the koolaide" back in my Mercedes Benz days and have never looked back. I will say that i have tried a couple different brands and each one amplified "cold start piston skirt slap" in the denali. My 6.2 has no noticeable skirt slap with mobil one? i think it flows better cold. I did notice on a trip to sedona in august coming home north on 17 it is like a 50 mile climb at 75 mph and my pressure went from normal 40 psi at highway rpm to maybe 36 psi. is the 5/30 oil not up to those extremes? probably, i know in all my MB i ran 0/40, i have never tried it in this vehicle.

 

[BG1988]

i would not use E series acdelco they use cardboard

so if you want a cardboard soup in your engine then go for it

I should put one in and have a cardboard soup then GM buys me a new engine for free.. (or it might blow apart from the HIGH pressure )

I can keep putting it in then get unlimited free engines once every 3,000 miles

 

[George B]

Been a Wix Guy for years with the occasional Delco or Fram. Oil wise I used the master parts blend from Bumper to Bumper for years in all our vehicles. The 4.2 L6 in the Envoy did not like the fram filter and threw several cam timing codes before I swapped the filter.

Now with my first AFM motor I am contemplating which full synthetic to run.

 

[BG1988]

i have used mobil one for a long time, i "drank the koolaide" back in my Mercedes Benz days and have never looked back. I will say that i have tried a couple different brands and each one amplified "cold start piston skirt slap" in the denali. My 6.2 has no noticeable skirt slap with mobil one? i think it flows better cold. I did notice on a trip to sedona in august coming home north on 17 it is like a 50 mile climb at 75 mph and my pressure went from normal 40 psi at highway rpm to maybe 36 psi. is the 5/30 oil not up to those extremes? probably, i know in all my MB i ran 0/40, i have never tried it in this vehicle.

the mobil1 filters work great no PSI loss or anything like that

1qt of 0w30 and 5qt of 5w30

i changed the oil at 94306.0 and it's at 98090 Still Clean

So clean in fact it can be Recycled into another engine

if I had a second car or something i'd recycle it into another engine That is how confident how clean it is ..

 

[George B]

the mobil1 filters work great no PSI loss or anything like that

1qt of 0w30 and 5qt of 5w30

i changed the oil at 94306.0 and it's at 98090 Still Clean

So clean in fact it can be Recycled into another engine

if I had a second car or something i'd recycle it into another engine That is how confident how clean it is ..

Please excuse my ignorance but why the 0w30 5w30 mix?

 

[BG1988]

Please excuse my ignorance but why the 0w30 5w30 mix?

My own custom blend. heh..

but the bottom line was the 0w30 mobil1 was on sale at the time
was about $23 (bought it before hand) Way better then spending 7$-10$ for a single qt when i can get 5qt for 23$ which is good for 5 oil changes


these engines require a minimum of 6qts of oil

I did not want to use up(or open ) a 45$ bottle of mobil1 annual protection..(after all the super sized discounts and rebates it was 8$ for 5qt) I went to all the autozones around town even though i hate autozone

and scooped them all up for 20ea and 12$ rebate each I still got 3 5qt bottles left.

the deal exceeded the hate for the item i wanted..


Autozone lost money...

 

[Rocket Man]

Please excuse my ignorance but why the 0w30 5w30 mix?

You just had to ask him didn’t you?