New Truck in Town vs GM Units

[Rdr854]

I agree from the side looks like suburban due to the high belt line of today’s SUVs. As far as interior the Expedition is up a few whole pegs. Nothing looks cheap about it. The platinum is easily nicer than the denali.

Looks like a stretched Explorer to me.

 

[Rdr854]

Exactly my point.

Ford made airbags standard equipment in 1990. Airbags weren't mandated until almost 2000. Let that sink in.

In other words, consumers had already dictated the change and the govt, being the laggards that they are, legislated something that was already common place.

As for smoking, I again agree. Public sentiment towards smoking in restaurants had already turned the corner and very few places allowed for unfettered smoking inside (I’d concede that sketchy bars were different). Once again, the govt simply put the nail in a coffin that consumers had already shut years ago. Smoking bans are created by the states (and originally even on a more local level). If you think the people you elect are doing a poor job, boot them out...Or better yet, run for yourself and change the status quo.

Oh and if restaurants felt like smokers were a big enough portion of their business then they could simply change their charter to private dinner club or sell cigars too and viola, you can smoke there.

I never thought we'd agree this much!!

Passive restraints started to come in the 1987 model year with the motorized seatbelts in the Toyota Camry. Some cars had automatic seatbelts while others had driver side airbags. The automatic seatbelts all but disappeared by the 1992 model year.

 

[DeucesAllin]

Who the **** is that guy- resident antagonist?

Ignored.

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[DeucesAllin]

This dude has to be a paid blogger.

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[15YUKON]

This dude has to be a paid blogger.

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I must be a paid blogger for posting an article about a different truck and admitting I like it!!?!? Hahaha there’s a laugh. So easy for people to stay in a cave and bash outsiders. I’ve driven both and I’ve always liked the Expedition as well I thought it was cool they redesigned it. It’s always been a nice and reliable truck but now it’s more caught up and advanced and I think that’s worth noting. Not a paid blogger at all I wouldn’t be slamming their turbo if I was.

 

[NYisles1]

Would be pretty disappointing if an all new model wasn’t at the very least competitive with one in its fourth year. I’m not sure either one is decisively better at this point.

Btw the only ‘18 expedition in my area so far is a platinum stickered at $84k! Ambitious pricing by ford, we’ll see how many of those they move.

 

[Rdr854]

Would be pretty disappointing if an all new model wasn’t at the very least competitive with one in its fourth year. I’m not sure either one is decisively better at this point.

Btw the only ‘18 expedition in my area so far is a platinum stickered at $84k! Ambitious pricing by ford, we’ll see how many of those they move.

My local dealer was like . . . WOW when they saw the price on the de,o that Ford brought to introduce the new Expedition.

 

[cardude2000]

My local dealer was like . . . WOW when they saw the price on the de,o that Ford brought to introduce the new Expedition.

Ford has to cram 2/3 of the models under the ford nameplate while Chevrolet has chevy, GMC and Cadillac to spread out its price levels.

Essentially ford dealers will be selling vehicles that have to compete against base Tahoe’s as well as 90k Denali trims.

Lincoln then battles Cadillac for the highest echelon.

 

[15YUKON]

Both Ford and GMs pricing is out of control. The full size SUV, well at least base models are supposed to be affordable for people who want a trucks capability in a passanger vehicle. 50 grand is a complete joke for a base vehicle. They aren’t supposed to be bling mobiles they are supposed to be affordable entry level trucks that an average family can actually afford. They are forgetting about their actual market for people who use them as mall crawlers that never see offroad or a trailer.

 

[cardude2000]

Both Ford and GMs pricing is out of control. The full size SUV, well at least base models are supposed to be affordable for people who want a trucks capability in a passanger vehicle. 50 grand is a complete joke for a base vehicle. They aren’t supposed to be bling mobiles they are supposed to be affordable entry level trucks that an average family can actually afford. They are forgetting about their actual market for people who use them as mall crawlers that never see offroad or a trailer.

Yeah but there are tons of other options these days. Even chevy has two other suvs that hold 7 and have as much cargo room as a Tahoe and are much less $$$. Perfect mom mobiles and mall crawlers.

 

[15YUKON]

Yeah but there are tons of other options these days. Even chevy has two other suvs that hold 7 and have as much cargo room as a Tahoe and are much less $$$. Perfect mom mobiles and mall crawlers.

Those are cars. They can’t tow for anything. If you want something that can tow you have to buy these overpriced rigs of today.

 

[cardude2000]

Those are cars. They can’t tow for anything. If you want something that can tow you have to buy these overpriced rigs of today.

I️ was responding to you when you said this:

They are forgetting about their actual market for people who use them as mall crawlers that never see offroad or a trailer.

The Acadia can tow 5,000+ and their vans can tow more than the yukon.

 

[15YUKON]

I️ was responding to you when you said this:



The Acadia can tow 5,000+ and their vans can tow more than the yukon.

Wow you are one of those people everyone tries to avoid in life. You know it all and are god yet you are on a Tahoe forum. OK if you are so smart throw 5,000 pounds behind an Arcadia with a puny V6 and tell me how great it does through the hills. Ignorance. Your incapable of viewing the situation from other points of view. Not to mention 5,000 pounds is not a good towing capacity by any stretch, that’s quick to pass.

 

[cardude2000]

Wow you are one of those people everyone tries to avoid in life. You know it all and are god yet you are on a Tahoe forum. OK if you are so smart throw 5,000 pounds behind an Arcadia with a puny V6 and tell me how great it does through the hills. Ignorance. Your incapable of viewing the situation from other points of view. Not to mention 5,000 pounds is not a good towing capacity by any stretch, that’s quick to pass.

Who pissed in your cornflakes and what the hell are you talking about? You specifically said chevy had forgotten about people who don’t tow, need a reasonably priced large capacity vehicle to be a mall crawler. Your words. Not mine.

I️ noted that they had multiple vehicles at reasonable price points that fill that space and can even do some light hauling.

Not sure why pointing that out made you so upset. Please accept my apology.

 

[NYisles1]

Both Ford and GMs pricing is out of control. The full size SUV, well at least base models are supposed to be affordable for people who want a trucks capability in a passanger vehicle. 50 grand is a complete joke for a base vehicle. They aren’t supposed to be bling mobiles they are supposed to be affordable entry level trucks that an average family can actually afford. They are forgetting about their actual market for people who use them as mall crawlers that never see offroad or a trailer.

You’re saying there is supposed to be an entry level full size BOF suv “average”families can afford? Hate to say it but these vehicles are profit centers. If GM could build a base model and sell it for $40k (fleet pricing says they can) or tart it up and sell it for $60k you know which one the shareholders demand they build.

 

[NYisles1]

Wow you are one of those people everyone tries to avoid in life. You know it all and are god yet you are on a Tahoe forum. OK if you are so smart throw 5,000 pounds behind an Arcadia with a puny V6 and tell me how great it does through the hills. Ignorance. Your incapable of viewing the situation from other points of view. Not to mention 5,000 pounds is not a good towing capacity by any stretch, that’s quick to pass.

Power is not the problem for the Acadia/traverse etc. An Traverse will move 5k up a hill just as easily as a suburban. Look at the power to weight ratios. The issues are suspension/brakes/transmission.

 

[cardude2000]

You’re saying there is supposed to be an entry level full size BOF suv “average”families can afford? Hate to say it but these vehicles are profit centers. If GM could build a base model and sell it for $40k (fleet pricing says they can) or tart it up and sell it for $60k you know which one the shareholders demand they build.

[Caution: bringing facts and pragmatism to this forum should be done at ones own risk. You’ve been warned.]

Good points IMO. They have lots of full sized vehicles (can carry 7 people and hold as much cargo as a Tahoe) that are much less expensive and if you need to tow something big there is the CPO market which is also a very profitable aspect of their business. Selling these things for top dollar and then selling them used for top dollar 3 years later is a very profitable business model.

 

[PG01]

Can we close this stupid thread......

 

[UrbanSuburban]

50k is a joke alright, but in an era of 0 percent for 84 month loans, price is no object for many people, most don't blink at 88 or so large as they know its not costing them anything but the monthly payment to carry it. When interest rates go back up as they will eventually, then we will see how the north of 50k truck does then. its not just trucks, here in Ontario for example, a Sierra SLT, will start at 60k and go from there. Marketing has something to do with it as well, as Sierras and Yukons, Denali trim nothwithstanding outsell Chevrolet Tahoes by a 4 to 1 margin. There are not many Ford Expeditons sold at all in either trim level, EL or small Size. They would rather drop the 70k or so on a cookie cutter F150

 

[cardude2000]

50k is a joke alright, but in an era of 0 percent for 84 month loans, price is no object for many people, most don't blink at 88 or so large as they know its not costing them anything but the monthly payment to carry it. When interest rates go back up as they will eventually, then we will see how the north of 50k truck does then. its not just trucks, here in Ontario for example, a Sierra SLT, will start at 60k and go from there. Marketing has something to do with it as well, as Sierras and Yukons, Denali trim nothwithstanding outsell Chevrolet Tahoes by a 4 to 1 margin. There are not many Ford Expeditons sold at all in either trim level, EL or small Size. They would rather drop the 70k or so on a cookie cutter F150

I’d tend to agree that a spike in interest rates will drop people back into rigs they can actually afford.

I️ also think a spike in gas prices would be a bigger issue. $5+ a gallon here for any prolonged period of time would destroy the market for these things.