Wheel weights----ADHESIVE vs CLIP ON---

[Jolly Roger]

Personally I'd start by going back and telling them to use the right weight. Wrong clip shape for the profile of the lip

Edit: Also not hammered on all the way

Good, im glad im not seeing things.......kinda why I zoomed in on that pic. My discreet way of saying "anyone else see this shit?"

These tire places are absolutely SLAMMED right now because its tire change over season where I live. (everyone changing to there studded tires for winter) lines out the doors!
Getting correct or un-rushed work is impossible, asking for anything particular or special from them is met with a deer in the headlights look..
I leave in a few hours to get them put on, wish me luck.

 

[Ilikemtb999]

Steel wheels I just go with clip ons (and I’ve got some VERY tight clearances with brakes and wheels on 2 vehicles).


Any alloy wheels I’ve owned haven’t had a lip so they’ve used stick on weights. I usually just toss a large piece of tape over them to hold it from falling off.

 

[Idriveaho]

I wish the didn’t use clip ons for my 20 inch chrome rims. They have the typical gouging and have caused corrosion.

 

[Jolly Roger]

COSTCO NEVER AGAIN!
Just because a person can feed themselves doesn't mean you should hire them to work at a tire shop.
Could just be this generation...they seem to really care less about anything at all. Every one of them I talked to had the attention span of a nat. Just a shrug of the shoulder attitude.
I decided to just roll with the static balance (clip-on) but had them fix the one weight that looked off. I got the 17 year old girl as my tire professional for the day....
I stood there the entire 3 hours it took to mount my tires. Glad I did because she almost didn't install my centric rings. When I did turn my attention somewhere else she ruined my $80 set of lug nuts resulting in my brand new Fuel rims mounted with "house" lug nuts instead.
The manager got involved and aided with the job by hammering my center caps on with his fist until they bottomed out on the hubs sideways. I had to pry them out with a screwdriver when I got home chipping some paint on the rims.
Basic trimming was needed for clearance and I needed some of those plastic under skirting push plugs so off to the auto store I went only to throw a wheel weight on my way there.

 

[Tonyrodz]

COSTCO NEVER AGAIN!
Just because a person can feed themselves doesn't mean you should hire them to work at a tire shop.
Could just be this generation...they seem to really care less about anything at all. Every one of them I talked to had the attention span of a nat. Just a shrug of the shoulder attitude.
I decided to just roll with the static balance (clip-on) but had them fix the one weight that looked off. I got the 17 year old girl as my tire professional for the day....
I stood there the entire 3 hours it took to mount my tires. Glad I did because she almost didn't install my centric rings. When I did turn my attention somewhere else she ruined my $80 set of lug nuts resulting in my brand new Fuel rims mounted with "house" lug nuts instead.
The manager got involved and aided with the job by hammering my center caps on with his fist until they bottomed out on the hubs sideways. I had to pry them out with a screwdriver when I got home chipping some paint on the rims.
Basic trimming was needed for clearance and I needed some of those plastic under skirting push plugs so off to the auto store I went only to throw a wheel weight on my way there.

SMH
I would have went BALLISTIC if that was me!! I def would've made the girl cry . Unreal.

 

[Jolly Roger]

 

[OR VietVet]

Luckily, here in the PNW, there are two main tire shops. Les Schwab and Discount Tire. They have it all down to a science. They both can be slammed and I can walk in and buy 4 tires and even wheels and they are done in 1 hour. I watched at Discount Tire where I bought the wheels and every time I asked the guy a question he responded with a "yes sir" and a "no sir". They know I used to run shops so I got to check my brakes, check front end components, walk under to look for any leaks and they boxed up my old wheels and they loaded in back. Gave me some extra new lug nuts and gave me an extra special removal tool for them as well. Could not have been happier.

 

[Rocket Man]

Luckily, here in the PNW, there are two main tire shops. Les Schwab and Discount Tire. They have it all down to a science. They both can be slammed and I can walk in and buy 4 tires and even wheels and they are done in 1 hour. I watched at Discount Tire where I bought the wheels and every time I asked the guy a question he responded with a "yes sir" and a "no sir". They know I used to run shops so I got to check my brakes, check front end components, walk under to look for any leaks and they boxed up my old wheels and they loaded in back. Gave me some extra new lug nuts and gave me an extra special removal tool for them as well. Could not have been happier.

I wouldn’t let either of those shops work on anything other than basic wheels. There’s also Point S which used to be Tire Factory. Les Schwab is employee-owned which means that every single employee there makes more the more they sell, which turns them all into up-sellers. They’re expensive and try to sell tires when they’re not needed, brakes, etc. 20 years ago they were good but I won’t go there anymore. Discount is ok. Point S is better than those 2 but I took a set of 26’s there and I don’t think they’d ever done any stick on weights- they fell off in my driveway the same day. Then when they did get them to stick after I explained how to install them, they couldn’t balance them after 3 tries. I finally found a small independent shop that knows their stuff, just in time to work on my 26” billets that cost me $6k. So it depends on what kind of wheels you’re working with, I guess, but I’d rather use a shop that can do the harder installs to work on even basic wheels because they’re just more likely to do a better job.

 

[The Raven]

Been using stick-ons for the entirety of the time that it's been a choice. Never had a single issue. Plus, you can't (properly) roadforce a tire with clip-ons. The wider the tire and the bigger the wheel, the more important this becomes.

 

[Jolly Roger]

So I took it to my regular tire shop down the road after explaining what happened at Costco and they hooked me up with a Dynamic balance with stick on weights. However, one wheel needed quite a bit of weight and I noticed when I got home that they had stacked the stick-on weights in one area. Is this normal?

 

[OR VietVet]

So I took it to my regular tire shop down the road after explaining what happened at Costco and they hooked me up with a Dynamic balance with stick on weights. However, one wheel needed quite a bit of weight and I noticed when I got home that they had stacked the stick-on weights in one area. Is this normal?

I would not want stacked adhesive weights like that. That is why I recommended earlier in this thread that the tire and wheel, with the stacked weights, should have been deflated, break the beads down and rotate 180 degrees to move the heavy spots away from each other, and then rebalance. Sometimes you have to do it again and do just 90 degrees in either direction.

 

[Rocket Man]

So I took it to my regular tire shop down the road after explaining what happened at Costco and they hooked me up with a Dynamic balance with stick on weights. However, one wheel needed quite a bit of weight and I noticed when I got home that they had stacked the stick-on weights in one area. Is this normal?

In my experience yes it’s normal. Stick ons aren’t as heavy as the clip ons and sometimes they need to stack them. It’s not a big deal imo. With bigger wheels especially, no matter how they try to offset the differences by spinning the tires on the rims, there will be stacked weights. Here’s my 22’s, done by a shop that knows their shit. They just need to make sure they’re installed good.

 

[Jolly Roger]

It was only one tire that needed so much weight..

 

[Rocket Man]

It was only one tire that needed so much weight..
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They pretty much have to stack stick-ons because the machine says to place a certain amount of weight at the “x” , not place a certain amount spread out over a large area. And I forgot about the fact that you need more weight towards the center of a wheel than the outside where clip-ons are mounted, due to physics. Just keep an eye to make sure none fall off.

 

[The Raven]

It was only one tire that needed so much weight..

I have the same issue on my XTS. Had to get it match mounted and roadforce balanced because the static balance wasn't getting the job done. The tech put a lot of time into it and still couldn't get the front left wheel within tolerance. Roadforce number was at 33lbs (should be under 20) and they couldn't get it any lower. They are 20x10s though, and the bigger and wider the wheels get, the more this becomes a problem.

 

[OR VietVet]

I have the same issue on my XTS. Had to get it match mounted and roadforce balanced because the static balance wasn't getting the job done. The tech put a lot of time into it and still couldn't get the front left wheel within tolerance. Roadforce number was at 33lbs (should be under 20) and they couldn't get it any lower. They are 20x10s though, and the bigger and wider the wheels get, the more this becomes a problem.

IMO, there was a badly balanced, from the factory, tire or wheel causing the problem. I say this because there was the problem on only one of the wheel/tire combinations.

 

[PPV12HOE]

Stacked weights are normal... stick on weights are light and thin... to put more than an ounce in one spot usually involves stacking... as long as the installer made sure the surfaces where clean you shouldn't have a problem...

 

[Jolly Roger]

I cant thank you guys enough for all your input and help. I really appreciate it!

 

[The Raven]

IMO, there was a badly balanced, from the factory, tire or wheel causing the problem. I say this because there was the problem on only one of the wheel/tire combinations.

No doubt (it's the wheel, I put brand new tires on it and both the old and new setups had the same issue). This kind of thing happens a lot, and becomes much more of a problem as your wheel becomes a bigger percentage of the wheel/tire combo. My XTS has 245/40/20s on it. Those are very short sidewalls. Thus wheel imperfections are a very big deal. The exact same situation on the base-model's 245/50/18s would not be as big of an issue...maybe not an issue at all.

 

[Rocket Man]

No doubt (it's the wheel, I put brand new tires on it and both the old and new setups had the same issue). This kind of thing happens a lot, and becomes much more of a problem as your wheel becomes a bigger percentage of the wheel/tire combo. My XTS has 245/40/20s on it. Those are very short sidewalls. Thus wheel imperfections are a very big deal. The exact same situation on the base-model's 245/50/18s would not be as big of an issue...maybe not an issue at all.

Agreed 100%. That’s why I was saying earlier that there’s a few things to take into consideration when balancing wheels and deciding how to do it/ what type of weights to use. As the wheel gets to be a big percentage of the whole package like you said or if the inner lip is much bigger than the outer lip, it can get tricky. Also if the tire is super hard to even get on in the first place, you don’t want even the best shop to be pulling it off and rotating it so they’d better get it right the first time. That’s why I was nervous having tires mounted on my 26” billets and did a lot of searching to find the right shop. I had the rear wheels built with a 3” backspace so the lips are 9” which means the weights are closer to the inside of the hoops. Add to that the fact that in order to get the look I wanted I had them mount 295/30/26 tires on 12” wide wheels and stretch them, and you get a hard to balance wheel. They are perfect though, but only had it up to 90 so far.