New Truck in Town vs GM Units

[swathdiver]

Even used they still command a lot of dollars. I was strongly considering a pickup but they were more money than the Yukons so the better value won out. Still want a pickup in the corral, might get one for one of the kids. The GMT800s are still a pretty penny.

 

[Rdr854]

Yeah but there are tons of other options these days. Even chevy has two other suvs that hold 7 and have as much cargo room as a Tahoe and are much less $$$. Perfect mom mobiles and mall crawlers.

For us, the Traverse and Tahoe are too small when we need a large amount of cargo capacity that is found in the Suburban or Expedition EL.

 

[cardude2000]

For us, the Traverse and Tahoe are too small when we need a large amount of cargo capacity that is found in the Suburban or Expedition EL.

Or a full size chevy van. But yeah. It’s a van lol.

 

[Kirth Gersen]

I used to own quite a few vacuum cleaner sounding Buicks years ago. 231 cubic inches was great for a 3,500 pound car. Using even less displacement to move near twice the weight goes against the thinking of my formative years. ...

I have an 87 Grand National & love it. Turbos & high boost are fine for 15-30 seconds at a time.
But exhaust manifolds will literally glow red-hot under long duration, high load.

I have no confidence that a tiny turbo gas engine can move a 6000+ lb SUV up a 10 mile grade in 90ºF heat, and not cause a long term degradation of the engine & other underhood comoponents

The classic chevy small blocks will run 300K+ miles with just routine oil changes and minor tuneups. My '94 350 TBI with 250K miles has never even had a valve cover removed, and maybe burns 1 qt oil in 3000-4000 miles.

I seriously doubt any of these tiny turbocharged "truck" engines -- if you can call them that -- will last that long.

 

[ezstriper]

you have the aluminum body..will be major issue with corrosion down the road, they never got the issue solved on mustang hoods, SUV tail gates...see them all bubbled up every week..pass

 

[cardude2000]

I have an 87 Grand National & love it. Turbos & high boost are fine for 15-30 seconds at a time.
But exhaust manifolds will literally glow red-hot under long duration, high load.

I have no confidence that a tiny turbo gas engine can move a 6000+ lb SUV up a 10 mile grade in 90ºF heat, and not cause a long term degradation of the engine & other underhood comoponents

The classic chevy small blocks will run 300K+ miles with just routine oil changes and minor tuneups. My '94 350 TBI with 250K miles has never even had a valve cover removed, and maybe burns 1 qt oil in 3000-4000 miles.

I seriously doubt any of these tiny turbocharged "truck" engines -- if you can call them that -- will last that long.

It will be interesting to see. Fords been using these engines for quite some time now though...My guess is that they wouldnt risk messing up the best selling trucks in america with bad engines but who knows. Check out the testing they do on these things.

https://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/09/ford-f150-pickup-torture-test-videos/

 

[Burby]

The Expy has independent suspension similar to the Toyo sequoia. Better handling and comfort maybe but not ideal for towing large loads - a bit squatty.

 

[15YUKON]

The Expy has independent suspension similar to the Toyo sequoia. Better handling and comfort maybe but not ideal for towing large loads - a bit squatty.

Have to disagree the Expedition feels more confident towing heavy loads. The rear coils are pretty stout and at 9,200 lbs Id use a weight distributing hitch anyways. The Expedition has always held best in class towing title.

 

[15YUKON]

you have the aluminum body..will be major issue with corrosion down the road, they never got the issue solved on mustang hoods, SUV tail gates...see them all bubbled up every week..pass

This is true. They bubble. Our tailgates and hoods are aluminum too so we will see how they hold up.

 

[Mattsred03]

Looks like im a little late on this but...
So a comparo between a 2018 top trim expy with the FX4 package vs what sounds like a standard 2017 LT 4x4. I wonder why Ford didn't opt between their new horse vs the 2018 Suburban with the 6.2 And 10 speed? Or a 2017 Denali, since that is the top trim of "the same thing". Or the RST Tahoe. They didn't want to get beat. Chevy hasn't used their joint 10 speed because they haven't needed to. Full-size Ford SUV's were a joke compared to their Chevy counterparts so why. The new Navigator is finally something FoMoCo can be proud of. And it may actually start to give Escalade some competition. But the Expedition has long since been under the shadow of Tahoe for the last decade at least. Only blue oval fans could justify buying one because they were that bad. Sure they had the third row legroom but the advantages stopped there. And if GM ever makes the 2500 Suburbans again... well, bye bye Expedition. Their little V6 wound up as tight as it will go will never be able to match 12,000+ pounds of towing. Chevy still has that ace in the hole. Ford will never be able to dominate the full size SUV market because they will never understand that a nice interior isn't enough to sell these vehicles. Expedition as well as Navigator have a long row to hoe just to diminish their low reputation in this segment.

 

[GTNator]

It will be interesting to see. Fords been using these engines for quite some time now though...My guess is that they wouldnt risk messing up the best selling trucks in america with bad engines but who knows. Check out the testing they do on these things.

https://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/09/ford-f150-pickup-torture-test-videos/

The version they are putting in the Navigator is basically the Raptor engine, (which is also a basically differently tuned Expedition engine). Good enough for me!


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[cardude2000]

Looks like im a little late on this but...
So a comparo between a 2018 top trim expy with the FX4 package vs what sounds like a standard 2017 LT 4x4. I wonder why Ford didn't opt between their new horse vs the 2018 Suburban with the 6.2 And 10 speed? Or a 2017 Denali, since that is the top trim of "the same thing". Or the RST Tahoe. They didn't want to get beat. Chevy hasn't used their joint 10 speed because they haven't needed to. Full-size Ford SUV's were a joke compared to their Chevy counterparts so why. The new Navigator is finally something FoMoCo can be proud of. And it may actually start to give Escalade some competition. But the Expedition has long since been under the shadow of Tahoe for the last decade at least. Only blue oval fans could justify buying one because they were that bad. Sure they had the third row legroom but the advantages stopped there. And if GM ever makes the 2500 Suburbans again... well, bye bye Expedition. Their little V6 wound up as tight as it will go will never be able to match 12,000+ pounds of towing. Chevy still has that ace in the hole. Ford will never be able to dominate the full size SUV market because they will never understand that a nice interior isn't enough to sell these vehicles. Expedition as well as Navigator have a long row to hoe just to diminish their low reputation in this segment.

What do they need in your opinion? More horses? More torque? Higher towing capacity? Nicer interior? More interior room? Better gas mileage? Better options packages and electronics?

 

[GTNator]

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/expedition/2018/2018-ford-expedition-first-drive-review/

Ford has done it..... impressed and intrigued. Ford provided MotorTrend with a Suburban for a comparison good read.

That is a pretty funny article. I had to read it again just to laugh. He's pretty clear on where he stands in the race between GM and Ford. It's ok, GM needs more competition. I think they are getting lacks with their quality (again).

 

[15YUKON]

Looks like im a little late on this but...
So a comparo between a 2018 top trim expy with the FX4 package vs what sounds like a standard 2017 LT 4x4. I wonder why Ford didn't opt between their new horse vs the 2018 Suburban with the 6.2 And 10 speed? Or a 2017 Denali, since that is the top trim of "the same thing". Or the RST Tahoe. They didn't want to get beat. Chevy hasn't used their joint 10 speed because they haven't needed to. Full-size Ford SUV's were a joke compared to their Chevy counterparts so why. The new Navigator is finally something FoMoCo can be proud of. And it may actually start to give Escalade some competition. But the Expedition has long since been under the shadow of Tahoe for the last decade at least. Only blue oval fans could justify buying one because they were that bad. Sure they had the third row legroom but the advantages stopped there. And if GM ever makes the 2500 Suburbans again... well, bye bye Expedition. Their little V6 wound up as tight as it will go will never be able to match 12,000+ pounds of towing. Chevy still has that ace in the hole. Ford will never be able to dominate the full size SUV market because they will never understand that a nice interior isn't enough to sell these vehicles. Expedition as well as Navigator have a long row to hoe just to diminish their low reputation in this segment.

Again have to disagree I drove both man. The Expedition is a truck, always has been. It’s always had the Super Duty interior hard plastics, rode like a truck, sounded like a truck. Ford sold less because they are more trucky and less friendly. They don’t have all the bells and whistles they are simple machines. IMO the 03-17 Expeditions were good trucks no they weren’t flashy, no they weren’t fancy and didn’t have the front end these do, but they are good in their own way. A simple and reliable way. As far as taking on the 2500 suburban..... Excurision 6.0L all that needs it be said

 

[ajs800]

And if GM ever makes the 2500 Suburbans again... well, bye bye Expedition. Their little V6 wound up as tight as it will go will never be able to match 12,000+ pounds of towing. Chevy still has that ace in the hole. Ford will never be able to dominate the full size SUV market because they will never understand that a nice interior isn't enough to sell these vehicles. Expedition as well as Navigator have a long row to hoe just to diminish their low reputation in this segment.

...and if ford ever builds an Excursion again????

 

[UrbanSuburban]

Ford needs to start winning the product placement game, if you watch tv shows, very few of them will feature the Little Explorer or the Two versions of the Expedition. Blue Bloods did replace their Tahoe with an Excursion, a good choice IMO, but for every Chicago PD show with Voights old very strange color Cadillac Escalade now a Ford product which I cant identify, there are many shows with GM products, mostly Black Tahoes and Suburbans. A New version of the Excursion (poet here) would be good enough for me to look seriously at Ford again. It probably would be offered with the either the 3.5 or a small diesel, and not a 6.7 Powerjoke. Ford always made a huge mistake in cancelling that vehicle.

 

[cardude2000]

Ford needs to start winning the product placement game, if you watch tv shows, very few of them will feature the Little Explorer or the Two versions of the Expedition. Blue Bloods did replace their Tahoe with an Excursion, a good choice IMO, but for every Chicago PD show with Voights old very strange color Cadillac Escalade now a Ford product which I cant identify, there are many shows with GM products, mostly Black Tahoes and Suburbans. A New version of the Excursion (poet here) would be good enough for me to look seriously at Ford again. It probably would be offered with the either the 3.5 or a small diesel, and not a 6.7 Powerjoke. Ford always made a huge mistake in cancelling that vehicle.

Excursions were stapled to showroom floors. The market for 20ft vehicles with sub 15mpg numbers is pretty small.

 

[GTNator]

Excursions were stapled to showroom floors. The market for 20ft vehicles with sub 15mpg numbers is pretty small.

Those same market forces killed off the Hummer too.

 

[UrbanSuburban]

Ford only stopped selling the Excursion for two reasons, one was they were afraid that the vehicle was canabalizing sales from their diesel f250s which made more profit for them. Second was they put all their large SUVs eggs into the Expedition basket. They made a Max and then an EL to accommodate the people who wanted a bigger version. Sub 15mpg is not bad for the size of the vehicle and what it can do, the 7.3 Diesel and the 6.0 when the bugs were worked out returned much better numbers.

 

[UrbanSuburban]

The Hummer while a great truck was not as useful as the Excursion was, it was only the target of the treehugger and prius loving crowd.