Gas prices making anyone reconsider?

[smokey_mountain]

The curves for gas and diesel are moving in opposite direction, in NC I see small drop in Regular fuel but increases in diesel. Many stations in NC are $5.35 for diesel and $3.89 for Regular and $4.40 for Premium.
... and I am considering cheapest diesel Tahoe only because of the comfortable seats that it offers, my 2018 Yukon and 2020 Tahoe were the most comfortable on 15+ hour trips ever. I also compared seats to Telluride, Atlas, Palisade, Ascent. Only Telluride was somewhat close. Ford Expedition seats were very close to Tahoe but gas mileage on Ford was no comparison to Diesel 3.0.

 

[ktpinnacle]

The curves for gas and diesel are moving in opposite direction, in NC I see small drop in Regular fuel but increases in diesel. Many stations in NC are $5.35 for diesel and $3.89 for Regular and $4.40 for Premium.
... and I am considering cheapest diesel Tahoe only because of the comfortable seats that it offers, my 2018 Yukon and 2020 Tahoe were the most comfortable on 15+ hour trips ever. I also compared seats to Telluride, Atlas, Palisade, Ascent. Only Telluride was somewhat close. Ford Expedition seats were very close to Tahoe but gas mileage on Ford was no comparison to Diesel 3.0.

Any idea why that is (fuel prices there diverging)?

 

[mb1500]

Any idea why that is (fuel prices there diverging)?

Low inventory, high demand.

 

[EddieC]

When I bought my 2008 Tahoe (new) gas was just about what it is now.
The difference is that I ordered my Z71 and paid $10k under invoice.
Still driving it and have no aspirations to let it go before it falls apart.

 

[smokey_mountain]

Found an answer to my own question...

Gas prices may be bad now, but three leading CEOs warn there’s a bigger looming fuel crisis that would be a real nightmare

Over 40% of European cars use diesel fuel, but interrupted trade flows with Russia are sending prices soaring and governments scrambling for alternatives.

finance.yahoo.com

An article I read yesterday was saying those in the know are predicting diesel to be over $6/gal in most places by summer. Fuel prices always rise in the summer so this seems logical. It’s already $5.50 range lots of places I see locally.

Even with these prices if I were in the market for one of these vehicles today the price of fuel would not sway me one way or the other. As others have said if you can afford to spent $70k or more on a rig you should damn well be able to afford fuel for it

Any idea why that is (fuel prices there diverging)?

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Built a little tool to analyze cost per mile to operate, based on engine, and using the "Combined" EPA rating, YMMV
Note, the more expensive diesel gets, the better off you are with that engine.
I tried to figure out how to post this actual spreadsheet tool so everyone could adjust to their specific situation, but apparently can't share Excel files on the forum.

Here is a view for prices from my geography with Prem at a $0.60 higher price than regular, and Diesel a $0.90 higher price than regular.:

And here is a view with Premium at $0.60 above regular, and diesel at $1.50 above regular.

 

[Wwes]

Cool tool, but does it adjust for the higher price of the Diesel engine?
I was 100% sold on the baby duramax until the latest price spike, now I'll stick with the 5.3.
Best all around engine, cheapest operating costs, should go 200k without issue.
3.0 requires wet belt oil pump replacement at 150k, at least $1200 repair.

 

[SSGUNNER]

Diesel around me here in SoCal has reached $6.50 in some areas near me. Here is a comparison.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

Cool tool, but does it adjust for the higher price of the Diesel engine?
I was 100% sold on the baby duramax until the latest price spike, now I'll stick with the 5.3.
Best all around engine, cheapest operating costs, should go 200k without issue.
3.0 requires wet belt oil pump replacement at 150k, at least $1200 repair.

NO, purely fuel cost per mile.
Figured everyone else could adjust for total cost of ownership per mile on their own...

 

[Buffalown]

$4.15 for regular and $6.19 (!) for diesel here today Buffalo NY

 

[TollKeeper]

I have definitely considered going a different route, thats why I ordered a Rivian. 11 bucks to fill from my house, for 300ish miles, or 80 bucks to fill my Envoy, for 350ish miles.

22.8 cents per mile to run gasoline
or
3.6 cents per mile to run electric

Thats roughly a 63% savings to run electric

Easy math for me right now.
Now.. When am I going to get the truck I ordered... 2023? 2024? who knows?!

 

[Polo08816]

US family savings rate has fallen. Also, US GDP declined by 1.4% while the market was expecting it to increase by 1.0%. Seems like inflation is eating up a bit of disposable income.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

US family savings rate has fallen. Also, US GDP declined by 1.4% while the market was expecting it to increase by 1.0%. Seems like inflation is eating up a bit of disposable income.

Yup

 

[Fless]

I have definitely considered going a different route, thats why I ordered a Rivian. 11 bucks to fill from my house, for 300ish miles, or 80 bucks to fill my Envoy, for 350ish miles.

.228 cents per mile to run gasoline
or
.036 cents per mile to run electric

Thats roughly a 63% savings to run electric

Easy math for me right now.
Now.. When am I going to get the truck I ordered... 2023? 2024? who knows?!

Nope. Those calculations are 100 times too low. Gas would be .228 $, not cents. So 22.8 cents. Electric: $0.036 (3.6 cents). Decimal places matter.

 

[TollKeeper]

Nope. Those calculations are 100 times too low. Gas would be .228 $, not cents. So 22.8 cents. Electric: $0.036 (3.6 cents). Decimal places matter.

You are correct.. Fixed my post above!

 

[xycrazy]

I have definitely considered going a different route, thats why I ordered a Rivian. 11 bucks to fill from my house, for 300ish miles, or 80 bucks to fill my Envoy, for 350ish miles.

22.8 cents per mile to run gasoline
or
3.6 cents per mile to run electric

Thats roughly a 63% savings to run electric

Easy math for me right now.
Now.. When am I going to get the truck I ordered... 2023? 2024? who knows?!

Even if I would save $100 per fill up I would not consider an EV. I just HATE them. It's not what I call a car, sorry. On top of that it's super bad for the environment, no matter what narrative the media and politicians want us to believe. Educate yourself on the pollution caused by EV and you think twice about buying another one.

 

[TollKeeper]

Even if I would save $100 per fill up I would not consider an EV. I just HATE them. It's not what I call a car, sorry. On top of that it's super bad for the environment, no matter what narrative the media and politicians want us to believe. Educate yourself on the pollution caused by EV and you think twice about buying another one.

No argument there at all. I know they are as bad, and potentially worse, if not actually worse, for the environment.

For example, it takes 7 years for a Smug, I mean Toyota Prius to become as carbon neutral, including production, transportation and use, as a Land Rover Discovery Sport V8 to just to be produced!

And its not a car, its a pickup truck

Thats actually why I picked the Rivian vs the others on the market, price point, and pound for pound. I get the performance I want, the second best warranty in the market, and 835hp/914tq. I am not buying it to be "green". I am buying it because when I compare the other alternatives, Silverado, tahoe, F150, Wagoneer, etc... I get more HP (and for me thats the biggest thing), followed by me not having to wrench on this vehicle. I will still own a ICE (internal combustion engine) as a EV doesnt do road trips really well.

The one I have speced out is a fully loaded model, at $72,100. Which is cheaper than a Sierra/Yukon Denali loaded similar by about 20-30k

I am in it for the Smiles per mile... The fuel savings is just a bonus... Not to mention no oil changes, no tune ups, and a few other things.

 

[R32driver]

I'd drive the wheels off a Rivian. I was watching some videos of them the other night and they are FAST!! Like really really fast. I'd rather have a lightning though cause they look a lot better IMO. Not a fan of EV's to be green I like them because they have some ridiculous performance that blows ICE vehicles out of the water. I'm not talking about range or towing, I'm talking about hauling ass. I nerded out on some tesla plaid videos a while back, those things are insane!

 

[swathdiver]

And its not a car, its a pickup truck

Like an old school pickup truck. It can haul a load but it cannot tow a load for any appreciable distance.

 

[TollKeeper]

I'd drive the wheels off a Rivian. I was watching some videos of them the other night and they are FAST!! Like really really fast. I'd rather have a lightning though cause they look a lot better IMO. Not a fan of EV's to be green I like them because they have some ridiculous performance that blows ICE vehicles out of the water. I'm not talking about range or towing, I'm talking about hauling ass. I nerded out on some tesla plaid videos a while back, those things are insane!

Yep.. if speced a way I didn't, it's a 0-60 in 3 seconds! The way I have speced it's a 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. It's just so slow, I don't know what I'm going to do lol!

The only thing I have not decided is to stick with the truck at $72100, or go for the SUV @ $75600.