BREAKING: GM is officially recalling the L87

[jfoj]

How did you determine that the majority of failures occurred with the vehicle being driven 60 - 75 mph?

How did you determine that a non-technical senior tech “probably” made the decision (recall?) after looking after their bonus and the stock price?

Any facts or proof?

All I can say is I was in the market for a Yukon because my other one is 20 years old. I had two years of research false starts and close calls before I finally bought the one I did. I probably passed up on over 10 vehicles mostly used CPOs for demos that I was as close as 30 minutes to walking in and sign in the paperwork when I bailed out.

As far as all the failures at highway speed all you have to do is you research. I have spent probably in excess of 100 hours researching these failures. And understand bearings typically don't spin at low RPMs and low loads. The 6.2l is under massive load at low RPM at highway speed. I have pulled and graft data on multiple runs that show engine loading 70 to 100% pulling slight grades on the highway between 1,500 and 1,700 RPM. Conditions ripe for spining bearings.

As far as what's going on with GM, I can only speculate but I did used to work there so I kind of know what happens. Some higher level executive management people clearly decided on the first round let's go with the cheaper option oil change. But I would bet you comments from people like me on this forum all over social media Reddit other forums probably were picked uip and somebody said oops we're going to have a mutiny on our hands.

This along with the upcoming valve body problems is probably going to cost GM close to $5 billion dollars.

I'm one of the lucky few that has an engine build date of July 15th 2024 and I hope it's okay, The stuffed shirt talking heads tell me it's okay!

I am just absolutely shocked and flabbergasted The GM let this go on as long as they did. They knew there were problems way before this particular one. The QA is going out the window I'm not sure what went wrong and why. We can only hope even though the 5.3l haven't seen this level of problems and were built at different assembly plants it's actually a kissing cousin of the 6.2l. it's possible the 5.3l may have some similar problems but not to the extent. A lot of it has to do with the fact that the 5.3l isn't put under the extreme loading on a regular basis as the 6.2l.

I'm not necessarily a fanboy of GM but I'm trying to help everybody else out here that's bought one of these vehicles to keep it alive and well or as long as they can. We all spent way too much freaking money on these things to go through this garbage

 

[KMeloney]

Incidentally, my notice of the recall has disappeared from my Inbox. Hmm...

 

[jfoj]

This whole recall right now is a moving target hopefully it's going to quit moving

 

[DuraYuk]

@DuraYak

Trust me A LOT of people care about this recall and what GM was/is going to do for the end customer. The entire 6.2l issue from 2021 has been real crap show. There have CLEARLY been at least 3 major problems in this timeframe. Many people have broken down and been stranded. I have researched this issue all over the place, there is only a small number of owners on this forum.

Many owners have had more than 1 engine replaced, some in as short as a few hundred miles.

The real issue here is GM's first stance was free oil change and viscosity upgrade for the group, which most were aware that this was not a fix to the problem.

Then just yesterday, GM has make a 180 degree turn and the new rules are effectively if the engine in the Recalled population was built before July 1, 2024 the engine will be replaced, this is for either the original or any replacement engine. This is HUGE.

Now the other problem is now people are even more worried if and when their engine may fail before the Recall can be performed. I fully understand the "Range Anxiety" that people may have. I have it and my truck is not even in the Recalled population, yet. Yes, GM even moved the window out 1 month from the original window as of yesterday.

What really pisses off a lot of owners is GM CLEARLY knew about problems and think they implemented the fix in Mid 2024 but chose to do nothing until the NHTSA opened up an investigation. Then they took a half baked approach on their first pass of the Recall. I believe social media and forums probably brought it to GM's attention that the inmates were getting very restless and not happy with the initially proposed solution.

The flip side is also an issue. There may be owners that have had no issues with their 6.2l and may have 70-80k miles and really do not want their truck taken out of service and torn apart. I fully get this rationale as well.

The other part is many owners are now in the what do I do in the mean time while we are waiting on parts and dealer service windows? Do we change to 0W40 oil, do we change our 0W20 oil, do we do nothing, do we stop driving the vehicle. Lots of concerns and questions.

If my vehicle fell in the Recall population and I had long distance out of town trips to take, I would think twice about taking my 6.2l more than 50 miles from home at this point. This is just me. History shows that the majority of the failures are at highway speeds between 60-75 MPH. Would you put yourself or you family in this situation?

No need to relax here. Hopefully some of my comments made it back to GM and made them think again about the "Oil Change Recall". Bad decision on GM's part. Probably a non technical senior exec made this decision while looking after their bonus and the stock price. Many shareholders own these vehicles and at some point when mistakes are make, you must take ownership. The engine replacement is the correct answer, but it will be painful for everyone; GM, Shareholders, Vehicle Owners, Dealers, Suppliers. It is not going to be easy and GM needs to do everything in their power to make this go as smooth as possible.

Next - Valve Bodies!

Enough said.

That's a lot of unnecessary stuff. The fix is in now get it fixed. For those that didn't know now they know. Problems are always on the radar of manufacturers. Every warranty issue is documented and followed. They see patterns emerge. They than take action.

Theres no secret. Manufacturers would recall much quicker these days because it preserves brand reputation.

No one is hiding it takes data to act upon.

 

[BacDoc]

I hope my contribution/questions don't get lost in this. We are on page 39 of this post and I am afraid some of the knowledgeable folks have tired of this. But here is my question(s)
1. I have the Chevrolet app on my phone and it tells me my 24 Tahoe is fine. It states 'Everything looks good' 'Your vehicle has no health issues'. Does this mean my 6.2 engine is a 'good' one? I ask because someone much earlier in this posting said their Cadillac app indicated their engine was on the recall?
2. I guess I may be asking a 'Russian Roulette' question but...... I have just 13,700 miles on the vehicle. I live in North Georgia. I have taken numerous trips to Florida. I have taken a round trip to N.W. Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Chicago, and back. I have taken another trip to N.W. Illinois and to Chicago and back. Never any problems noted. Do I trust driving it to Illinois again? just a side note I get 22-24 mpg's...if the wind isn't buffeting me

Where do I find the build date on the engine?

I have contacted my dealer and like others on this posting "I" seem to know more about this debacle they do???

If you open the app and click on the condition link scroll down to the end and you’ll see something like “Recall Status” where you can enter the VIN.
That will give you the recall status. There are two tabs, Complete and Incomplete. On my app my vehicle is in the recall under “Incomplete” tab.

Read my description about 4-5 pages back. Basically it says they don’t have parts or remedies yet and they will notify by mail when available.

 

[KMeloney]

If you open the app and click on the condition link scroll down to the end and you’ll see something like “Recall Status” where you can enter the VIN.
That will give you the recall status. There are two tabs, Complete and Incomplete. On my app my vehicle is in the recall under “Incomplete” tab.

Read my description about 4-5 pages back. Basically it says they don’t have parts or remedies yet and they will notify by mail when available.

In the GMC app, the "Recall and Warranty" tab is under the "Help Center" tab on the Home page.

 

[Lonny]

Ok there have been several posts in this thread in the last 24 hours that indicate GM has changed course from "oil change and new gas cap" to "every engine in the affected group will be replaced."

Is this confirmed? If so - where are the specific details of this change?

 

[BacDoc]

Ok there have been several posts in this thread in the last 24 hours that indicate GM has changed course from "oil change and new gas cap" to "every engine in the affected group will be replaced."

Is this confirmed? If so - where are the specific details of this change?

Pretty sure nothing is confirmed lol !
Lots of speculation but it seems like all of us on this forum know as much or more than GM, unfortunately that’s not saying much lol

 

[Bkihum]

Of course, this is not oil, and not the operating conditions, and not connecting rod bearings, because their part numbers have not changed, as they have not changed on the models of the 25th year, as well as on the 24th year. And it's not gasoline in the oil, or warming up the engine.I am more than sure that there was a banal defect in the production of engines, which has now been corrected, without changing the operating conditions, and without changing the oil and spare parts.I told them how the engines arrived, new, in a box, they were opened, and their temperature gaps were violated. The piston on the new engine did not move freely, it was wedged.
and switching to 0-40 oil is just to get the engines to the end of the warranty period.

If the part number did not change then its still same part

 

[BacDoc]

This may have a bright side for those looking to trade in/upgrade. If GM is really recalling and changing engines there might be incentives to trade as that would help existing owners to get the motor swap faster, maybe. My Tahoe is just turning 1 year old and I really love it and don’t want to trade. However I am considering it now.

Is it worth the price to avoid being stranded at best and waiting who knows how long for the fix, or getting into a crash at worst. A Carfax with accident history and recall is about as bad as it gets.

This certainly hurts resale value as most diligent buyers are aware of the recall and if I was looking at a used truck I certainly wouldn’t pay much for any of these 6.2l models unless it had the engine swap and full warranty. Without that it would be hard to sell.