BREAKING: GM is officially recalling the L87

[RG23RST]

183 is June 25? So that’s it, engine change? No bsing around, no engine code xyz, no change oil weight? Just plain and simple, change motor? Correct?

Yep. Too bad we're flat rate otherwise I'd be putting my kids through college with this BS.

The oil weight is a complete red herring. I've never seen one of these engines open with excessive wear that wasn't neglected. All on 0w20 per fleet contract. That said, I run 5w30 in my 5.3 to take advantage of savings since we have two others vehicles that take that weight. These engines aren't fragile and I know farmers around here that out of sheer laziness run 5w/15w40 diesel oil in them because that's what they have on hand. Not a great idea when it's cold as space outside but you can't tell them anything.

 

[jfoj]

183rs day of 2024 is July 1, 2024. This means they would need to extend the 2024 model year cut off to Aug or possibly Sept if there were any 2024's built in Sept because of the mid model refresh.

I swear they're trying to get me with my July 15, 2024 engine build date. First you were good if the engine was built after Jun 1, 2024, now they move the goal post to July 1, 2024. One more move and I am in trouble.

As I read and re-read the info above in Post #365 carefully, this is my take on what was posted from the Reddit picture. If this is in fact correct and accurate, GM has done an about face. In short they have decided for the 2 year window of all the recalled vehicles, even if the engine has been replaced 1 or more times, if the engine has a build date before July 1, 2024 GM will be replacing the engine!! So engines all around, unless I misunderstood what I read. This appears that GM is taking the Toyota approach which is really the right thing, but for close to 750,000 vehicles or what ever the number is, this will sting bigtime, but this will also take years to get sorted. Enough engines and people to replace them are going to be a chore. On top of people that paid out of pocket for engine replacements that will likely get reimbursed.

Oh to be a fly on the wall in some of the GM meeting rooms over the past 6-12 months.

 

[vcode]

Yep. Too bad we're flat rate otherwise I'd be putting my kids through college with this BS.

The oil weight is a complete red herring. I've never seen one of these engines open with excessive wear that wasn't neglected. All on 0w20 per fleet contract. That said, I run 5w30 in my 5.3 to take advantage of savings since we have two others vehicles that take that weight. These engines aren't fragile and I know farmers around here that out of sheer laziness run 5w/15w40 diesel oil in them because that's what they have on hand. Not a great idea when it's cold as space outside but you can't tell them anything.

That was my point. There has to be millions of 5.3's out there post 2020 running on 0W20 in all sorts of conditions. I'm not seeing
the issues the 6.2's have. Which tells me the 0W40 is a band aid to cover up the actual defect. I would not be surprised if GM says switch to 0W40, puts a 10yr/120K warranty out there, cross their fingers and hope for the best.

 

[jfoj]

@vcode, read what I just posted before yours!

 

[viven44]

but for close to 750,000 vehicles or what ever the number is, this will sting bigtime,

That would be a giant $3B sting at least

I would love to get my hands on the internal "8D report" on this issue

 

[jfoj]

@viven44

My math, which had a bunch of assumptions which may be off a bit came up to $4,125,000,000.00!!!

Maybe they will not have 750,000 engines to replace, but I estimated around $5,500 per engine parts and about 20 hours labor which may be low?? About 20 hours dealer labor, last I saw was long block engine at around $2,500 which GM may have deflated?? But this will basically be at their cost anyway, and gaskets, fluids, freon, filters and so forth. Probably will need to replace the radiator and at least flush oil coolant lines. So my $5,500 may be low? DO NOT FORGET ABOUT THE RADIATOR GM!!! There is an oil cooler in there and you have no idea if it is partially contaminated at this point.

Maybe this would be more in the range of $7,500 per vehicle GM cost.

Since nobody will want to buy a GM vehicle after all of this bad press, the dealers will have a fleet of loaners while engines are getting replaced. This way the dealers will have a lot of "loaner" cars to sell at a discount.

All this will probably delayed due to engines in the supply chain and it will probably take close to 2 years to deal with this many vehicles given dealer man power and engine availability. So GM will not have to take the hit all at once.

Either way this will burn badly, then the transmission valve bodies are right around the corner.

 

[viven44]

@viven44

My math, which had a bunch of assumptions which may be off a bit came up to $4,125,000,000.00!!!

Maybe they will not have 750,000 engines to replace, but I estimated around $5,500 per engine parts and about 20 hours labor which may be low?? About 20 hours dealer labor, last I saw was long block engine at around $2,500 which GM may have deflated?? But this will basically be at their cost anyway, and gaskets, fluids, freon, filters and so forth. Probably will need to replace the radiator and at least flush oil coolant lines. So my $5,500 may be low? DO NOT FORGET ABOUT THE RADIATOR GM!!! There is an oil cooler in there and you have no idea if it is partially contaminated at this point.

Maybe this would be more in the range of $7,500 per vehicle GM cost.

Since nobody will want to buy a GM vehicle after all of this bad press, the dealers will have a fleet of loaners while engines are getting replaced. This way the dealers will have a lot of "loaner" cars to sell at a discount.

All this will probably delayed due to engines in the supply chain and it will probably take close to 2 years to deal with this many vehicles given dealer man power and engine availability. So GM will not have to take the hit all at once.

Either way this will burn badly, then the transmission valve bodies are right around the corner.

I think anywhere and anything the oil flows to is going to be questionable. A vast majority of the long block will be replaced, and yes the engine oil cooler (if equipped) will need a good flush

Freon - R1234yf (that's a mess). Expensive job as the darn refrigerant costs ~8X of R134a. Anyway, here the AC compressor should just be unbolted from the engine. No need to evacuate or mess with the refrigerant.

This has the awful bearing (no pun intended) to the good ol' Oldsmobile diesel fiasco in the 1980s.

Oldsmobile Diesel engine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

One Oldsmobile engineer who had worked on the V8 diesel told his bosses not to release the hastily developed engine. Needing to meet upcoming CAFE standards, GM forced him into early retirement and released the engine nonetheless.[2]

 

[DuraYuk]

@viven44

My math, which had a bunch of assumptions which may be off a bit came up to $4,125,000,000.00!!!

Maybe they will not have 750,000 engines to replace, but I estimated around $5,500 per engine parts and about 20 hours labor which may be low?? About 20 hours dealer labor, last I saw was long block engine at around $2,500 which GM may have deflated?? But this will basically be at their cost anyway, and gaskets, fluids, freon, filters and so forth. Probably will need to replace the radiator and at least flush oil coolant lines. So my $5,500 may be low? DO NOT FORGET ABOUT THE RADIATOR GM!!! There is an oil cooler in there and you have no idea if it is partially contaminated at this point.

Maybe this would be more in the range of $7,500 per vehicle GM cost.

Since nobody will want to buy a GM vehicle after all of this bad press, the dealers will have a fleet of loaners while engines are getting replaced. This way the dealers will have a lot of "loaner" cars to sell at a discount.

All this will probably delayed due to engines in the supply chain and it will probably take close to 2 years to deal with this many vehicles given dealer man power and engine availability. So GM will not have to take the hit all at once.

Either way this will burn badly, then the transmission valve bodies are right around the corner.

Dude you need to relax. Toyota just had a huge engine recall on tundras and most people don't know and don't care.

Most people won't break down from this. Most people will never have an issue. And Most people will get theirs fixed before any issues.

The fix is in. Step 1 is admitting the problem and now step 2 is correction.

You guys are going on and on about things you have no idea about.

 

[corpnupe85]

I called my dealer this AM and they confirmed that my engine was on the bad list.. I said what now? The service guy responded that he did not know and that they did not have clear direction from GM. He said that they had been originally been directed to change the oil wait but now that plan was being scrapped.. Oh boy

My dealer told me the same thing. I am so frustrated! I think that I will trade the vehicle now before the value decreases.

 

[corpnupe85]

I got same response. Dealers are not prepared for this.

I received the same response as well. No resolution at this time. The dealers don't know what to do.