Strike??? Thoughts, insights, predictions.

[Banks22]

I think this is the beginning of the end of the strike. The Arlington plant is meant to hurt GM. It is now who can wait the longest.

I would think the UAW will have their best offer this week or already have it. Strikes are about leverage and who can take the most pain. I believe the leverage has shifted to the Big 3. I also think that UPS contract was an outlier not the new labor normal. I believe that the UAW anticipated a fairly quick resolution and that has now passed.

I think the Big 3 could easily hold on til early next year. Not sure about these striking workers. I have also heard rumblings that the "strike fund" has been grossly exaggerated. Will be an interesting next few weeks.

Could be a painful year end/ Holiday season for many workers and I do not see any joy in that.

Kind of makes u wonder if the big 3 will hold out to end the union….? Is that something that can be done?

 

[mrrairai]

Exactly, just like raising minimum wage and who pays for it the consumer does that's who. The price of vehicles will go up a few grand to pay for the labor costs.

OMG stop using the raising minimum wage false argument. Prices on everything have gone up. In 2011 I bought a fully loaded Yukon Denali for $55K and the same vehicle is now $90K. Know what didn’t cause it? A change in minimum wage.

 

[randeez]

OMG stop using the raising minimum wage false argument. Prices on everything have gone up. In 2011 I bought a fully loaded Yukon Denali for $55K and the same vehicle is now $90K. Know what didn’t cause it? A change in minimum wage.

then how do you explain everything staying the same price when minimum wage was 7.25 for 30 years

 

[blackelky]

These big companies will probably just outsource more parts to not lose profits unfortunately. Which means quality control will continue to suck

 

[Sublett0715]

So, if my vehicle is showing as being produced, and supposedly in transit, that means this strike shouldn’t affect it arriving, correct???? (Fingers crossed!)

 

[Blackcar]

Doesn't look to me that everything stayed the same.

Trucks price inflation, 1983→2023

This calculator uses the official Consumer Price Index for Trucks from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Trucks costing $25,000 in 1983 would cost $47,701.28 in 2023.

www.in2013dollars.com

 

[Blackcar]

These big companies will probably just outsource more parts to not lose profits unfortunately. Which means quality control will continue to suck

I don't know how much more they can outsource unless they want to take over dealers and buy vehicle to sell.

 

[blackelky]

I don't know how much more they can outsource unless they want to take over dealers and buy vehicle to sell.

They'll find a way too screw the consumer and workers over

 

[Polo08816]

Kind of makes u wonder if the big 3 will hold out to end the union….? Is that something that can be done?

I think that's what it will come down to. A test of wills.

 

[SNWMBL]

Maybe our 23 turned 24 will turn into a 25 now. More to time to keep setting money aside I guess.

I am a member of a union, although it’s a fairly weak one. I don’t think the union would go away, but they could take some big hits like losing arbitration. If you look at the statistics of how many Americans live paycheck to paycheck with no savings account, record CC debt, ect I really think the manufacturers have the upper hand this time. If statistics are correct about 90% of the workers on strike can’t make it a month without going in the hole.

We have a Suburban on order (only deposit paid no allocation yet) and my worry is a bitter workforce coming back to the assembly line and building shit vehicles.

 

[Blackcar]

Maybe our 23 turned 24 will turn into a 25 now. More to time to keep setting money aside I guess.

I am a member of a union, although it’s a fairly weak one. I don’t think the union would go away, but they could take some big hits like losing arbitration. If you look at the statistics of how many Americans live paycheck to paycheck with no savings account, record CC debt, ect I really think the manufacturers have the upper hand this time. If statistics are correct about 90% of the workers on strike can’t make it a month without going in the hole.

We have a Suburban on order (only deposit paid no allocation yet) and my worry is a bitter workforce coming back to the assembly line and building shit vehicles.

Have to watch how we vote.

 

[Polo08816]

Maybe our 23 turned 24 will turn into a 25 now. More to time to keep setting money aside I guess.

I am a member of a union, although it’s a fairly weak one. I don’t think the union would go away, but they could take some big hits like losing arbitration. If you look at the statistics of how many Americans live paycheck to paycheck with no savings account, record CC debt, ect I really think the manufacturers have the upper hand this time. If statistics are correct about 90% of the workers on strike can’t make it a month without going in the hole.

We have a Suburban on order (only deposit paid no allocation yet) and my worry is a bitter workforce coming back to the assembly line and building shit vehicles.

Same.

 

[randeez]

i dont think the end game is to be like "welp boys, they told us to go fk ourselves. sorry get back to work" strikes dont just happen spur or the moment, this has been voted on within the union, they all knew it could result in weeks/months and as a collective they agreed it was worth it. when youre already barely scraping by paycheck to paycheck you really dont have much to lose and a few months of inconvenience could change your entire financial future because right now the future looks even shittier if they dont. either they negotiate pay/benefits that both can agree to or they have to be willing to walk away.

 

[Polo08816]

i dont think the end game is to be like "welp boys, they told us to go fk ourselves. sorry get back to work" strikes dont just happen spur or the moment, this has been voted on within the union, they all knew it could result in weeks/months and as a collective they agreed it was worth it. when youre already barely scraping by paycheck to paycheck you really dont have much to lose and a few months of inconvenience could change your entire financial future because right not the future looks even shittier if they dont. either they negotiate pay/benefits that both can agree to or they have to be willing to walk away.

But even if they negotiate better pay, what is the loss amount for not having worked for however long while they are on strike? (Obviously, the assumption is that they wouldn't have been able to get better jobs.) There may be a point where the income loss from striking would exceed the gains they would get from a better contract - I'm thinking the OEMs are trying to push them past that point to break them.

 

[the 18th letter]

But even if they negotiate better pay, what is the loss amount for not having worked for however long while they are on strike? (Obviously, the assumption is that they wouldn't have been able to get better jobs.) There may be a point where the income loss from striking would exceed the gains they would get from a better contract - I'm thinking the OEMs are trying to push them past that point to break them.

They’ll make up the lost wages working OT to catch up on orders and such.

 

[Sparksalot]

They’ll make up the lost wages working OT to catch up on orders and such.

The longer this goes, the less likely they can ever catch up.

 

[the 18th letter]

The longer this goes, the less likely they can ever catch up.

Do they still run 3 shifts? I’m sure they rather have demand exceed supply anyway.

 

[Sparksalot]

Do they still run 3 shifts? I’m sure they rather have demand exceed supply anyway.

I meant the strikers. At some point, they can’t physically work enough overtime to catch up.

 

[Polo08816]

I meant the strikers. At some point, they can’t physically work enough overtime to catch up.

+1.

Unless the strikers have another job/source of income during the time that they are not working, chances are their overall income for the year will be lower regardless of whether they get an increase in their hourly rate.

 

[Silverado4x4]

They’ll make up the lost wages working OT to catch up on orders and such.

The assembly line only runs so fast in order to catch up they would have to speed up the line alot for how long its been down to catch up and that's not going to happen.