No Refresh for 2024

[todayusay]

sales took an absolutely huge jump

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/08/chevrolet-suburban-tahoe-sales-numbers-figures-results-second-quarter-2023-q2/

if you dig into the numbers the suburban numbers really drove the % increase - which was driven by less than stellar sales back in 2Q 2022.

Tahoe sales are back to being pretty much in line with pre-covid numbers, the Yukon is a different story, still a long way from 2018/19 production levels (monthly numbers are the same b/c GM only reports quarterly results vs monthly data)

 

[Polo08816]

Yup, they need to keep increasing production.

When I looked at Q1 2023 vs Q2 2023 for GM production it was around a 10-20% average increase. The Expedition increase was about 50% from Q1 2023 to Q2 2023. So Ford is gaining a larger foothold in that market because GM wasn't able to match the % increase in sales volume from Q1 to Q2.

Eh I don't know about that. Gm is still dominating the field. https://fordauthority.com/2023/04/f...umbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2023/

So most of those articles are comparing Q1 2022 versus Q1 2023 (or Q2 2022 versus Q2 2023). I think 2022 was an odd year for the Expedition because it was undergoing a refresh so the factory may have been shut down for retooling.

That's why I thought it was better to compare two quarters that are adjacent. Ie. Q1 2023 vs Q2 of 2023. Or even Q4 of 2022 vs Q1 2023.

2024 Ford Expedition Sales Figures

Ford Expedition monthly, quarterly, and yearly sales and statistics in the United States. Including data and interactive charts for the latest model year 2024 and crossover/suvs segment.

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2024 Chevrolet Tahoe Sales Figures

Chevrolet Tahoe monthly, quarterly, and yearly sales and statistics in the United States. Including data and interactive charts for the latest model year 2024 and crossover/suvs segment.

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2024 Chevrolet Suburban Sales Figures

Chevrolet Suburban monthly, quarterly, and yearly sales and statistics in the United States. Including data and interactive charts for the latest model year 2024 and crossover/suvs segment.

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2024 GMC Yukon Sales Figures

GMC Yukon monthly, quarterly, and yearly sales and statistics in the United States. Including data and interactive charts for the latest model year 2024 and crossover/suvs segment.

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The % increase per quarter for the Expedition has been greater than that for the GM products. They are all increasing production levels - just at different rates.

 

[Polo08816]

if you dig into the numbers the suburban numbers really drove the % increase - which was driven by less than stellar sales back in 2Q 2022.

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Tahoe sales are back to being pretty much in line with pre-covid numbers, the Yukon is a different story, still a long way from 2018/19 production levels (monthly numbers are the same b/c GM only reports quarterly results vs monthly data)

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Where did you get the month by month data?

 

[todayusay]

Where did you get the month by month data?

tahoe

https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/tahoe/chevrolet-tahoe-sales-numbers/

yukon

GMC Yukon Sales Numbers

Here you will find GMC Yukon sales numbers. For more about the GMC Yukon, browse our GMC Yukon news section. Notes: GMC Yukon sales are comprised of all GMC Yukon variants, including regular-length Yukon and extended-length[...]

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if you drill back from one of those, there's a lot of random info (including sales data for all GM vehicles).

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Some of the pages - like the yukon, doesn't have USA listed first but generally the data is there. Guess the data is right, the whole same value for each month threw me off at first until i saw the disclaimer about quarterly data

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

I bet if you compare Escalade to Navigator, there is a HUGE spread!

 

[cjlewis]

Does anyone know if the 2024 will have any new packages? Rims? Colors? I know there's no refresh; however was wondering if they would add any packages.

 

[StephenPT]

Order guide should be out within the next month or so - don't expect anything drastic. Maybe a couple of new colors and a couple of colors are dropped. Packages might shuffle around some of the options and some options become available on lower level trims.

 

[TrueAt1stLight]

I’m DYING to know if the LM2 diesel will be replaced by the LZ0. Also right now I just realized the 23’ build configurator won’t allow for a Denali with the Reserve package to be built with second row bench seating. WTF?!?

 

[Suburban2024]

I’m DYING to know if the LM2 diesel will be replaced by the LZ0. Also right now I just realized the 23’ build configurator won’t allow for a Denali with the Reserve package to be built with second row bench seating. WTF?!?

I am dying to know if the ugly infotainment system will be replaced by what chevy is using on their 1500 trucks.

 

[TrueAt1stLight]

I am dying to know if the ugly infotainment system will be replaced by what chevy is using on their 1500 trucks.

If they’re not doing a refresh, it seems like a long shot for them to refresh the interior but stranger things have happened…

 

[StephenPT]

I am dying to know if the ugly infotainment system will be replaced by what chevy is using on their 1500 trucks.

It won't.

The interior refresh will be nearly identical to the '24 Traverse - at least as far as the infotainment is concerned. GM has the Arlington plant humming at a high efficiency right now. Given the high profit margins of the SUV platform and the pending UAW strike, they don't want to introduce any changes that impact production volumes at this point. I wouldn't be surprised that there isn't a single difference between the '23 and '24 (other than maybe a new exterior color or two)

 

[Suburban2024]

It won't.

The interior refresh will be nearly identical to the '24 Traverse - at least as far as the infotainment is concerned. GM has the Arlington plant humming at a high efficiency right now. Given the high profit margins of the SUV platform and the pending UAW strike, they don't want to introduce any changes that impact production volumes at this point. I wouldn't be surprised that there isn't a single difference between the '23 and '24 (other than maybe a new exterior color or two)

Well, if there is no update in either the body outside and infotainment inside, and no LZ0 diesel engine option, I have to ask how Suburban could compete with most recent generation Ford expedition. Whoever will still purchase 2024 Tahoe/Suburban, they much be chevy fans, no doubt on that.

 

[cjlewis]

Well, if there is no update in either the body outside and infotainment inside, and no LZ0 diesel engine option, I have to ask how Suburban could compete with most recent generation Ford expedition. Whoever will still purchase 2024 Tahoe/Suburban, they much be chevy fans, no doubt on that.

I don't see why they wouldn't shift to the new LZ0 diesel. Makes no sense to continue to produce two different version. Suspect they used 2023 to use up existing stock of the LM2.

 

[Polo08816]

Well, if there is no update in either the body outside and infotainment inside, and no LZ0 diesel engine option, I have to ask how Suburban could compete with most recent generation Ford expedition. Whoever will still purchase 2024 Tahoe/Suburban, they much be chevy fans, no doubt on that.

It can compete with the Ford Expedition - I consider them interchangeable. I do like the Ford Expedition's dash and seats better than the non Denali GM full size SUVs. I also like that you can get a traditional (non air) suspension with the eLSD option.

I think delaying the GM refresh is a mistake. They don't get the 1 year advantage over the Ford Expedition. Now they will both be released at the same time.

 

[Blueinterceptor]

Everyone touts this huge screen in the interior for 24. How much time do you really look at the screens. I look at the heads up for my speed and speed limit 99% of the time

 

[dbphillips]

It won't.

The interior refresh will be nearly identical to the '24 Traverse - at least as far as the infotainment is concerned. GM has the Arlington plant humming at a high efficiency right now. Given the high profit margins of the SUV platform and the pending UAW strike, they don't want to introduce any changes that impact production volumes at this point. I wouldn't be surprised that there isn't a single difference between the '23 and '24 (other than maybe a new exterior color or two)

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I guess the scale is smaller than the full size, but the far edge of that screen looks like quite a reach...

 

[DuraYuk]

I guess the scale is smaller than the full size, but the far edge of that screen looks like quite a reach...

From all accounts the new interior should be like the Silverado EV. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'refresh' isn't just full redesign and won't be seen until the end of this product cycle. GM has never done a major mid cycle refresh on the full size suvs. I don't see why this model will be any different. Especially considering how strong sales are.

Id imagine we see some different options and packages like super cruise being more widely available and that's it.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

From all accounts the new interior should be like the Silverado EV. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'refresh' isn't just full redesign and won't be seen until the end of this product cycle. GM has never done a major mid cycle refresh on the full size suvs. I don't see why this model will be any different. Especially considering how strong sales are.

Id imagine we see some different options and packages like super cruise being more widely available and that's it.

I'd like to see SuperCruise available without the RSE...not sure why they force you to take RSE when taking SuperCruise...but maybe the two options share some smarts....I have no need nor want for RSE.

 

[DuraYuk]

I'd like to see SuperCruise available without the RSE...not sure why they force you to take RSE when taking SuperCruise...but maybe the two options share some smarts....I have no need nor want for RSE.

I think it was packaged that way because it was in short supply so they want you to pay for it. Id imagine as availability increases you can package it without . maybe even on lesser trims.

 

[Tahole]

I spoke to a dealer and he mentioned the 2024 tahoes come with an updated infotainment center

I’m wondering if it’s the same infotainment that has been featured in spy shots? Or do we think that new infotainment is going to be in the 2025s?