At the point of getting rid of our 2016 Denali

[fordfest]

I looked at the new Navigator while my MKZ was getting an oil change. Our dealer had a few of them. They look sharp and the interior is hands down an upgrade compared to our Denali. I really don't want to spend more than we already have.

In regard to the 2004 Cobra "Yes!!!"

Interesting to see the Durango ranked higher than the Tahoe.


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[iamdub]

Interesting to see the Durango ranked higher than the Tahoe.

Yeah- so what does that tell you about the Tahoe?!

 

[UrbanSuburban]

In comparison, it just boils down to what people think and want. To me in my opinion the new style Navigator is one of the Fugliest vehicles on the road, those rims look like they came from a circus clown. I had rented a new expediton which was loaded, it was nice but drunk gas like no tomorrow, granted it was in bad weather in april but the way back was not and it still did not improve much. Another thing I found about the Expedition was how close it looked to a GMC Yukon with the Front end leds and rear lights. I don't believe the Ford is Bad, just different and will appeal to different people with different priorities. The Dodge Durango Citidel which I also rented just did ok. It reminded me of a Slightly bigger Grand Cherokee and had all the same options. It was much better on Fuel than the Eco Boost. What is all boils down to is get what you want based on your research. At least that is what seems to this old railroader.

 

[Miami-Dade]

In comparison, it just boils down to what people think and want. To me in my opinion the new style Navigator is one of the Fugliest vehicles on the road, those rims look like they came from a circus clown.

After taking another good look at it I have to agree.

 

[iamdub]

...the new style Navigator is one of the Fugliest vehicles on the road, those rims look like they came from a circus clown

But it's still ON THE ROAD and not parked in the dealership's service department.

...those rims look like they came from a circus clown

I've seen worse. But, yeah, they look like the wheels on the "beyond year 2000" concept cars we drew as kids.

 

[GTNator]

Expy

Pros: good tech, good interior passenger space, nice ride

Cons: exterior looks like horse shit, gas mileage is horrendous (I rented one for 2 weeks and couldn’t get better than 16 on the highway), oh and rear cargo space behind 3rd row (Max) is very noticeably smaller than Burb/XL (it’s worse than the numbers reveal- go look at it, the Expy‘ rear is curved)




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[01FormulaTA]

In comparison, it just boils down to what people think and want. To me in my opinion the new style Navigator is one of the Fugliest vehicles on the road, those rims look like they came from a circus clown. I had rented a new Expediton which was loaded, it was nice but drunk gas like no tomorrow, granted it was in bad weather in april but the way back was not and it still did not improve much. Another thing I found about the Expedition was how close it looked to a GMC Yukon with the Front end leds and rear lights. I don't believe the Ford is Bad, just different and will appeal to different people with different priorities. The Dodge Durango Citidel which I also rented just did ok. It reminded me of a Slightly bigger Grand Cherokee and had all the same options. It was much better on Fuel than the Eco Boost. What is all boils down to is get what you want based on your research. At least that is what seems to this old railroader.

styling is subjective and I agree I'm also not a fan of the wheels but those are easily changed, also you have to remember the Lincoln is going for the audience that buys the Escalade(which itself has always had quite gaudy styling)...and even though the Durango is Dodge's largest SUV I wouldn't consider it an apples to apples comparison...I would point out the Durango is smaller than the Expedition, a couple hundred lbs lighter, shorter length, width, and height, tows quite a bit less, less ground clearance, less cargo room etc, and the eco-boost makes 80 lb-ft more torque available at 2000 RPM lower....that being said I would expect the Durango to get better gas mileage...what different priorities are you referring to? I would think most people shopping for a large SUV would have similar priorities...I've heard first hand accounts from friends with eco-boosts that they are also disappointed with gas mileage but I think the name is misleading people to believe they will get V8 power with V6 mileage when the case seems to be performance exceeding a V8 with equal if not slightly worse mileage...other than that they all love the low end torque that no NA V8 can match...and if you can get past the styling I think most would agree the interior on the Fords is much nicer than what GM has to offer, if you truly do not like the design then that is understandable but for people to quickly dismiss a vehicle because it says Ford on it is ridiculous IMO

 

[GTNator]

styling is subjective and I agree I'm also not a fan of the wheels but those are easily changed, also you have to remember the Lincoln is going for the audience that buys the Escalade(which itself has always had quite gaudy styling)...and even though the Durango is Dodge's largest SUV I wouldn't consider it an apples to apples comparison...I would point out the Durango is smaller than the Expedition, a couple hundred lbs lighter, shorter length, width, and height, tows quite a bit less, less ground clearance, less cargo room etc, and the eco-boost makes 80 lb-ft more torque available at 2000 RPM lower....that being said I would expect the Durango to get better gas mileage...what different priorities are you referring to? I would think most people shopping for a large SUV would have similar priorities...I've heard first hand accounts from friends with eco-boosts that they are also disappointed with gas mileage but I think the name is misleading people to believe they will get V8 power with V6 mileage when the case seems to be performance exceeding a V8 with equal if not slightly worse mileage...other than that they all love the low end torque that no NA V8 can match...and if you can get past the styling I think most would agree the interior on the Fords is much nicer than what GM has to offer, if you truly do not like the design then that is understandable but for people to quickly dismiss a vehicle because it says Ford on it is ridiculous IMO

...but that huge Ford symbol on the front grill looks so pedestrian, lol.

 

[Nashoba]

O1FormulaTA, I had an '01 WS6 with the manual tranny, Borla exhaust, CAI, programmed tune, probably putting out close to 400 HP. Wish I still had it. But I was commuting to work 85 miles both ways and early one late-fall morning I was running down a two lane road about ten miles from the Oklahoma-Arkansas border near De Queen in the dark just before dawn and hit a big cut piece of fire wood someone has lost from their load. Badly bent the right front rim, blew out the right rear tire and nearly lost it to a head-on with a loaded timber truck/trailer. Would have ended me for sure if I had not been able to steer back to my lane. Cost a pot full for the insurance to pay for the repairs and I never had confidence in it again for running much more than 75 or 80. I traded it off a year later. It was a great car still, probably, but I just did not trust it any more. Know what I mean?

 

[fordfest]

Picked up our Denali from the dealership today. They did not find any issues with the suspension. It's just what it is. I give them kudos as they could have easily replaced a strut and billed GM.
It sucks being in this position! We have no idea what to do. There is nothing else that we like after owning multiple XL Denali for 15 years. Really have no interest in continuing to make payments on this car nor do we want to go drop another $70-$100k on a replacement.


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[Tahoe14]

I think your next step should be to contact a Lemon Law attorney and see what kind of action you get from GM. Unfortunately they have left you no choice.

 

[Agent WD-40]

Sorry to hear the dealer couldn’t resolve the issue for you. Another thought would be to replace the magnetic shocks with standard ones from a Suburban or regular Yukon XL. If those have a more appealing ride that might help you.

I do agree with you that the 15 and 16 do have a harsher ride than I prefer - especially over small stuff. As I said before the 18Denali XL I have now is a much better ride. Plus the 10 speed is fantastic!

 

[swathdiver]

Picked up our Denali from the dealership today. They did not find any issues with the suspension. It's just what it is. I give them kudos as they could have easily replaced a strut and billed GM.
It sucks being in this position! We have no idea what to do. There is nothing else that we like after owning multiple XL Denali for 15 years. Really have no interest in continuing to make payments on this car nor do we want to go drop another $70-$100k on a replacement.

Time to fix it yourself and forget being hamstrung by the warranty. Call Arnott and explain to them your situation.

 

[fordfest]

Time to fix it yourself and forget being hamstrung by the warranty. Call Arnott and explain to them your situation.

Armott???


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[swathdiver]

Armott???

https://www.arnottindustries.com/

 

[fordfest]

https://www.arnottindustries.com/

Thank you


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[petethepug]

This is really weird with the rough ride situations. The MRC on the Denali is controlled by the body control module. Is there something in the module that needs to know your correct tire and rim data?

If the BCM thinks you’re running 20’s and you’ve got 22’s without all that sidewall cush, it’s going to ride horrible. I’d reach out to an aftermarket pro who speaks BCU to determine if your set up correctly.


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[4OFFSHR]

I have a 17 XL SLT and bought it with the factory 20" Conti tires and had gone from a 2011 Suburban and the ride in the 17 was night and day...I could not believe how much more solid and quiet it felt, and then I swapped out the stock 20's for my 22" wheels which I love the look, but in all honesty the ride with the 22's absolutely sucks...I feel more road for sure and it is noisy hitting bumps etc...just feels rough. The 20" tires really absorbed more road conditions and gave it a smoother ride. I would be willing to bet that if you were to experiment with a set of 20" wheels and tires you might see a big difference. Probably easier said than done, but maybe the new dealer you went to could try a set to see. Just a thought. I know these trucks look so much better with 22" or bigger wheels, but some of the 20" styles are not bad, and for sure the 20's have a smoother ride. Someone mentioned reducing the air in the 22's, also you might want to research the tire brand as well? Maybe another tire brand with a softer compound could help? Just a thought.
On another note, I lemon lawed an Acadia after 3 years, and it was the recommendation of the Service Manager at the Dealer I bought it from, for almost a year I went back and forth with GM about a solution with the vehicle and they only push you to the point of where you are now, get a Lemon Law Lawyer and they will take care of everything for you and you will get back every dime for the car...I even got paid for the window tint and 3 years of Registration. I went through a firm here in CA. called Norman Taylor and Assoc. and they took care of everything, and provided me a check less their fees that were about $3500-4k, but I put $11k down when I bought the car, and got back a little over $16k after their fees were subtracted from the settlement buyback, so since I got back more than my down and I drove the car for 3 years, it was a win win.
Hope this helps! Good Luck!

 

[fordfest]

I've considered trying a different set of wheels and tires. If I could get the dealer to swap out a set, even if off a used car. It would be nice to know. We have Dueler tires. We have always used Michelin tires. If I thought it would fix it, I would gladly buy a set. Hate to invest a grand into tires and it not fix it.


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[iamdub]

I've read a lot of people referring to the Bridgestones that come on these things as "Brickstones". I also read a lot of how great Michelin tires are as a replacement.