2026 Tahoe with 6.2, im all good?

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I don't trust sewing machine oil. I use 5W30.
Although I agree with this statement (I'll use 0W30 or 5W30, if I can't find those I'll do 0W40 or 5W40 in a pinch) ...
... without GM being transparent with what the problem is/was ... none of us will know. My 2022 6.2L Tahoe ran perfectly for 75k miles, zero problems, regular maintenance ...
... then had "recall" procedure done, with oil changed to 0W40, and at 77k the engine failed while cruising at 80MpH on the interstate.
It's not really the oil, and it's really NOT the oil (two different ideas).
GM is ultimately responsible; we may never learn which engine builder actually skipped steps.
PICO test doesn't test your oil.
Several engines have passed the PICO test, gotten 'vette spec oil, and proceeded to schidt themselves.
Looking inside the oil pan for swarf would be cheaper than a PICO test ...
 
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With all of the 'not solved but we have a TSB for that' it is highly evident that GM intends to kick the can down the road until they run out of road (or the can disintegrates).
 

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I can say that when changing oil at 3500 miles, the oil is shearing below the expected viscosity grade. So start with 0W20 and run it for 7500 miles and have some fuel dilution, your guess is what you end up with. I would love to see an oil sample from an early 6.2l failure under 5k miles with the factory oil fill. The bearing loading due to the Torque output of the L87 really exceeds the protection that 0W20 can provide when cruising on the highway, carrying cargo and passengers and towing. Leading is spiking upwards of 95% without downshifting below 8-9 gear. The TCM is holding the gears and using all the engine Torque for fuel economy.

Daily driving around town 0W20 may be acceptable, but the trend is every failure seems to be happening at highway speeds when the engine loading tends to be the greatest.

5.3l L84 do not have the high failure rate for 2 specific reasons:

1. The engine does not produce as much torque and the TCM software does not keep the engine heavily loaded on the highway, it allows earlier downshifting.

2. While the 5.3l L84 and 6.2l L87 have the same base variable displacement oil pumps, the 6.2l L87 has a 2 stage control solenoid that limits oil pressure based on RPM, not engine Load. The 2nd stage higher pressure of the 6.2l L87 oil pump trigger appears to be 3,000 RPM, these engines rarely run at these RPM's unless someone is harder into the throttle, normal highway cruising the engine rarely tops 2,000 RPM.

The main and rod bearings are last in the lubrication path and #1 main and front rod bearings are furthest from the oil pump. With DFM, ASS and oil controlled cam timing competing for oil volume and pressure the bottom end gets the short end of the stick and is likely loosing oil pressure and volume while the lifters are using oil for DFM control and the cam timing is being controlled. .

I would run nothing thinner than 5W30 in these engines and if there was an easy way to increase the oil pressure, I would do it. I think you could unplug the 2nd stage oil pressure solenoid, but I am sure it will trigger SES/CEL/MIL and it may impact the DFM if not disabled and even then it could be an issue. Installing the 5.3l L84 oil pump would be the best option, but again what does the ECM do if the oil pressure is high, who knows. Not sure if the 5.3l L84 has the same preload spring in the oil pump as the 6.2l L87 oil pump.

GM screwed up and should have oiled the bottom end first on these engines, but this would have been a tooling cost, at a bare minimum they could have used Teflon coated rod bearings like they did in the much earlier engines this may have saved a large percentage of engines, I am pretty sure GM did use Teflon coated rod bearings in the earlier L86's but I could be wrong. They are running Teflon coated main bearings in these engines still due to ASS due to the crankshaft and torque converter weight on "dry" or non hydrodynamic bearings for all the ASS engine cycles.

Anyway a proper design and no cutting corners running hydraulic fluid in the engines and both GM and the customers would have been much better off!

Not convinced the next generation of engines is going to be much better, time will tell, but I would not want the next generation engine until 3-4 years after deployment.
 

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Greg from Demonworks is on the record as saying the 3% number for engine failures is false.

"GM does say 3%, but as a tech that has been replacing these engines for a few years now with this issue, just not under a recall, I would say they need to 10x that 3%."

Those are frightening numbers. And you'll get the same garbage for the next six years.

P.S. The Pico test doesn't test your oil.
So Demonworks says the fail rate is more like 30%?

That’s gotta be at least 75k vehicles for every model year considering the 6.2l in Chevy/GMC/Cadillac SUVs and trucks!
That’s a lot of blown engines!

I have posted this before but in my small town in central East coast Florida there’s a lot of Tahoes, Denali and Escalades. Plus the tourist population during season, definitely popular road trip vehicles for this family oriented tourist destination.
I have only seen one Escalade broke down with the hood popped up over the last couple years, and that Escalade I saw just recently.

With a 30% fail rate on engine that sells hundreds of thousands of units every year I would expect to see some on the side of the road or middle of the highway.

Compare that to the GM Summit White paint job fail rate on the 2000-2018 vans and trucks - I see plenty of them with hood and side panels peeling off and looking like unprimed metal underneath. That’s a 20 - 30% failure rate.
 
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Greg from Demonworks is on the record as saying the 3% number for engine failures is false.

"GM does say 3%, but as a tech that has been replacing these engines for a few years now with this issue, just not under a recall, I would say they need to 10x that 3%."

Those are frightening numbers. And you'll get the same garbage for the next six years.

P.S. The Pico test doesn't test your oil.

30% huh. That statement makes this demonworks guy a moron.

Says there are approximately 600k 6.2L vehicles made between 2021-2024. You’re saying 120k vehicles failed lol. 1 out of 3 almost.
 

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21 Tahoe HC with 113k miles on it. At around 55k, oil consumption was discovered and it had new pistons and rings installed. ($100 deductible)
No oil consumption since and my catch can has a few ounces when I check it every 1500 miles.
 

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So Demonworks says the fail rate is more like 30%?

That’s gotta be at least 75k vehicles for every model year considering the 6.2l in Chevy/GMC/Cadillac SUVs and trucks!
That’s a lot of blown engines!

I have posted this before but in my small town in central East coast Florida there’s a lot of Tahoes, Denali and Escalades. Plus the tourist population during season, definitely popular road trip vehicles for this family oriented tourist destination.
I have only seen one Escalade broke down with the hood popped up over the last couple years, and that Escalade I saw just recently.

With a 30% fail rate on engine that sells hundreds of thousands of units every year I would expect to see some on the side of the road or middle of the highway.

Compare that to the GM Summit White paint job fail rate on the 2000-2018 vans and trucks - I see plenty of them with hood and side panels peeling off and looking like unprimed metal underneath. That’s a 20 - 30% failure rate.
Our services give about the same estimate, 6.2 about every 4th car breaks down, no matter what mileage we are talking about 100 miles or 100,000 miles. but the percentage of breakdowns is huge. And it doesn't decrease for the 2025+ model year.
 

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My 2006 f150 with 230k miles consumes 0 quarts between 5k mile changes…..

So does my 807hp hellcat redeye. 0 qts between changes.

Not sure how oil consumption is “normal” and not just covering up bad clearances and engine design.


Anyway my point of this post was to say that I have zero recorded oil consumption on this 6.2 and I’ve read many that do that failed the PICO test. I was just saying I feel good about it and my motor may be solid with a good manufactured crank after the recall period ended, meaning GM fixed it on a 2026…

I will get an oil analysis at 10k and post it (that oil will have 5k of mileage on it and be a good solid sample)
Thank you and please let the group know what your 10k oil analysis looks like. Dealership has had my 26 now 10 days with only 300 miles on it. Pulled the dipstick out and it smelled like fuel? Latest and greatest from them was - they couldn’t duplicate the knocking nor OIL consumption nor the smell of fuel on the dipstick. Was told by GM Corporate to follow the process. To be continued…
 

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Thank you and please let the group know what your 10k oil analysis looks like. Dealership has had my 26 now 10 days with only 300 miles on it. Pulled the dipstick out and it smelled like fuel? Latest and greatest from them was - they couldn’t duplicate the knocking nor OIL consumption nor the smell of fuel on the dipstick. Was told by GM Corporate to follow the process. To be continued…
I posted an oil analysis here after 10 thousand km, in general, the oil is still working, yes, at the end of its life, but in fact it runs the required 12,000 km or 7,500 miles without any problems.
 

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I can say that when changing oil at 3500 miles, the oil is shearing below the expected viscosity grade. So start with 0W20 and run it for 7500 miles and have some fuel dilution, your guess is what you end up with. I would love to see an oil sample from an early 6.2l failure under 5k miles with the factory oil fill. The bearing loading due to the Torque output of the L87 really exceeds the protection that 0W20 can provide when cruising on the highway, carrying cargo and passengers and towing. Leading is spiking upwards of 95% without downshifting below 8-9 gear. The TCM is holding the gears and using all the engine Torque for fuel economy.

Daily driving around town 0W20 may be acceptable, but the trend is every failure seems to be happening at highway speeds when the engine loading tends to be the greatest.

5.3l L84 do not have the high failure rate for 2 specific reasons:

1. The engine does not produce as much torque and the TCM software does not keep the engine heavily loaded on the highway, it allows earlier downshifting.

2. While the 5.3l L84 and 6.2l L87 have the same base variable displacement oil pumps, the 6.2l L87 has a 2 stage control solenoid that limits oil pressure based on RPM, not engine Load. The 2nd stage higher pressure of the 6.2l L87 oil pump trigger appears to be 3,000 RPM, these engines rarely run at these RPM's unless someone is harder into the throttle, normal highway cruising the engine rarely tops 2,000 RPM.

The main and rod bearings are last in the lubrication path and #1 main and front rod bearings are furthest from the oil pump. With DFM, ASS and oil controlled cam timing competing for oil volume and pressure the bottom end gets the short end of the stick and is likely loosing oil pressure and volume while the lifters are using oil for DFM control and the cam timing is being controlled. .

I would run nothing thinner than 5W30 in these engines and if there was an easy way to increase the oil pressure, I would do it. I think you could unplug the 2nd stage oil pressure solenoid, but I am sure it will trigger SES/CEL/MIL and it may impact the DFM if not disabled and even then it could be an issue. Installing the 5.3l L84 oil pump would be the best option, but again what does the ECM do if the oil pressure is high, who knows. Not sure if the 5.3l L84 has the same preload spring in the oil pump as the 6.2l L87 oil pump.

GM screwed up and should have oiled the bottom end first on these engines, but this would have been a tooling cost, at a bare minimum they could have used Teflon coated rod bearings like they did in the much earlier engines this may have saved a large percentage of engines, I am pretty sure GM did use Teflon coated rod bearings in the earlier L86's but I could be wrong. They are running Teflon coated main bearings in these engines still due to ASS due to the crankshaft and torque converter weight on "dry" or non hydrodynamic bearings for all the ASS engine cycles.

Anyway a proper design and no cutting corners running hydraulic fluid in the engines and both GM and the customers would have been much better off!

Not convinced the next generation of engines is going to be much better, time will tell, but I would not want the next generation engine until 3-4 years after deployment.
I looked through a couple base calibration files on 5.3 and 6.2 and I only found police calibrations to trigger higher oil pressrue at 3500rpm the rest of them are set to 7000rpm so you are correct with oil shearing out of viscosity, fuel dilution and high engine load on highways while the pump is barely making around 30psi thats a set up for metal on metal contact.

AFM disabled, High pressure side enabled at 3000 is my reccomendation. I run that on my 5.3L with E85 and that combo seems to work the best. My Histerisis is set to 1250rpm so if I am accelarating and goign through the gears I have to hit 3000rpm in the first gear and after that all the remaining gears will stay above 50psi. Only when I hit 6th gear the rpms drop around 1600rpm at 70mph and the oil pressure goes back to the low (normal) state. I would do that to any V8. I think the bigger reason for that is the AFM may not like high oil pressure so that may be why they disable it from the factory.
 

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At least with my 2024 6.2l L87;logging data and watching the the oil pressure some where between 3000-3500 is when the 2 stage oil solenoid is enabled and the oil pressure would increase above 40-45 psi. Not sure with Global B there is much you can see or tinker with on these later model ECMs

I think with DFM , Variable Cam Timing, Piston Oil Squirters consuming oil pressure and volume causes oil pressure and volume variations further down the path to the bearings which does not end well at the end of the day.
 
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I can say that when changing oil at 3500 miles, the oil is shearing below the expected viscosity grade. So start with 0W20 and run it for 7500 miles and have some fuel dilution, your guess is what you end up with. I would love to see an oil sample from an early 6.2l failure under 5k miles with the factory oil fill. The bearing loading due to the Torque output of the L87 really exceeds the protection that 0W20 can provide when cruising on the highway, carrying cargo and passengers and towing. Leading is spiking upwards of 95% without downshifting below 8-9 gear. The TCM is holding the gears and using all the engine Torque for fuel economy.

Daily driving around town 0W20 may be acceptable, but the trend is every failure seems to be happening at highway speeds when the engine loading tends to be the greatest.

5.3l L84 do not have the high failure rate for 2 specific reasons:

1. The engine does not produce as much torque and the TCM software does not keep the engine heavily loaded on the highway, it allows earlier downshifting.

2. While the 5.3l L84 and 6.2l L87 have the same base variable displacement oil pumps, the 6.2l L87 has a 2 stage control solenoid that limits oil pressure based on RPM, not engine Load. The 2nd stage higher pressure of the 6.2l L87 oil pump trigger appears to be 3,000 RPM, these engines rarely run at these RPM's unless someone is harder into the throttle, normal highway cruising the engine rarely tops 2,000 RPM.

The main and rod bearings are last in the lubrication path and #1 main and front rod bearings are furthest from the oil pump. With DFM, ASS and oil controlled cam timing competing for oil volume and pressure the bottom end gets the short end of the stick and is likely loosing oil pressure and volume while the lifters are using oil for DFM control and the cam timing is being controlled. .

I would run nothing thinner than 5W30 in these engines and if there was an easy way to increase the oil pressure, I would do it. I think you could unplug the 2nd stage oil pressure solenoid, but I am sure it will trigger SES/CEL/MIL and it may impact the DFM if not disabled and even then it could be an issue. Installing the 5.3l L84 oil pump would be the best option, but again what does the ECM do if the oil pressure is high, who knows. Not sure if the 5.3l L84 has the same preload spring in the oil pump as the 6.2l L87 oil pump.

GM screwed up and should have oiled the bottom end first on these engines, but this would have been a tooling cost, at a bare minimum they could have used Teflon coated rod bearings like they did in the much earlier engines this may have saved a large percentage of engines, I am pretty sure GM did use Teflon coated rod bearings in the earlier L86's but I could be wrong. They are running Teflon coated main bearings in these engines still due to ASS due to the crankshaft and torque converter weight on "dry" or non hydrodynamic bearings for all the ASS engine cycles.

Anyway a proper design and no cutting corners running hydraulic fluid in the engines and both GM and the customers would have been much better off!

Not convinced the next generation of engines is going to be much better, time will tell, but I would not want the next generation engine until 3-4 years after deployment.
FWIW My Engine did not fail at highway speed. It failed driving out of the parking lot at work. I was maybe doing 15-20 MPH when it went.
 

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FWIW My Engine did not fail at highway speed. It failed driving out of the parking lot at work. I was maybe doing 15-20 MPH when it went.
Your one of the few lucky ones, your failure was not at 70-75 MPH! Not that an engine failure is lucky. I am sure you posted somewhere but model year and mileage, was engine original?
 

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Your one of the few lucky ones, your failure was not at 70-75 MPH! Not that an engine failure is lucky. I am sure you posted somewhere but model year and mileage, was engine original?
 

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30% huh. That statement makes this demonworks guy a moron.

Says there are approximately 600k 6.2L vehicles made between 2021-2024. You’re saying 120k vehicles failed lol. 1 out of 3 almost.
He's just a GM master tech. What would he know that you don't?

How long does the average vehicle take to get to 100,000 miles? It's around 7-8 years. Do people do it quicker? Of course, but a lot of these are grocery getters for Soccer moms who only put 7,000 miles a year on them. It will be years before the true depth of this issue is uncovered.
 
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He's just a GM master tech. What would he know that you don't?

How long does the average vehicle take to get to 100,000 miles? It's around 7-8 years. Do people do it quicker? Of course, but a lot of these are grocery getters for Soccer moms who only put 7,000 miles a year on them. It will be years before the true depth of this issue is uncovered.
Yep. A mechanic who works in one shop somehow knows the statistics of every truck made in every location of the world. I’d trust GM with the actual data than a guy working in one shop with the sample size that is statically insignificant.

Sounds about right.
 

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Yep. A mechanic who works in one shop somehow knows the statistics of every truck made in every location of the world. I’d trust GM with the actual data than a guy working in one shop with the sample size that is statically insignificant.

Sounds about right.
Then you're more of a fool than you appeared to be in the first place. Shilling for the 6.2 in this day and age is classic. Good luck with your time bomb.
 
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Then you're more of a fool than you appeared to be in the first place. Shilling for the 6.2 in this day and age is classic. Good luck with your time bomb.
As I thought no logical reply with actual data. Just a mechanic in one shop. You’re really going to defend a 30% failure rate of all 6.2 engines? Who’s the moron? You sound like the type of guy who talks about how he added 5 gallons of jet fuel to his civic and he can beat my hellcat, just nod your head and walk away.

I’ll enjoy my luxury 2026 RST with every option, thanks. And if it does blow up GM can give me a new engine and I can drive one of my other vehicles.

Actually on my block there are 5 GM trucks with 6.2’s that are 2021+. Your logic would say about 2 of them would have needed a new engine. Guess what zero did. So from my sample size I see 0% failures lol.

And I’ll admit the actual data shows that the engine failures are higher than the industry baseline; but when someone throws out a 30% number that needs to be challenged.

Carry on.
 
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30% failure rate? No way. Keep in mind GM sells 300,000+ full-size SUVs every year between Cadillac, Chev, GMC, and never mind the hundreds of thousands of pick up trucks sold each year too. They have 2/3 of the full size SUV market. I’m not going to downplay the issue but seeing as the 6.2 is in a significant portion of these vehicles, if it was really THAT bad, I think we’d see it more often and it would be on the news.

And honestly, I waited over a month for my shifter sensor to come in my 2024 F150 Lariat last year. I couldn’t drive it - parts were back ordered with no ETA until they called me and said, parts here, come get the truck tomorrow. And, before that my 2021 F150 lariat left me stranded in a parking lot for…. A shifter issue of all things. This was a quick tow to the dealership and they fixed it same day but doesn’t diminish the aggravation factor. Fortunately I wasn’t on a road trip.

S*** happens….
 

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As I thought no logical reply with actual data. Just a mechanic in one shop. You’re really going to defend a 30% failure rate of all 6.2 engines? Who’s the moron? You sound like the type of guy who talks about how he added 5 gallons of jet fuel to his civic and he can beat my hellcat, just nod your head and walk away.

I’ll enjoy my luxury 2026 RST with every option, thanks. And if it does blow up GM can give me a new engine and I can drive one of my other vehicles.

Actually on my block there are 5 GM trucks with 6.2’s that are 2021+. Your logic would say about 2 of them would have needed a new engine. Guess what zero did. So from my sample size I see 0% failures lol.

And I’ll admit the actual data shows that the engine failures are higher than the industry baseline; but when someone throws out a 30% number that needs to be challenged.

Carry on.
What kind of mpg do you get day to day and on highway at 75mph+
 

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