It's probably been mentioned a few times -
Include the spare wheel when upgrading to larger wheels to clear larger calipers.
Include the spare wheel when upgrading to larger wheels to clear larger calipers.
4 Piston Big Brake Upgrade from 2019-20
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First off, I would like to apologise for this taking so long to get back with information and results. Besides bad parts being sent and having to wait for replacements as well as flakes on craigslist, it took a bit to get the parts together, cleaned, smoothed, painted and rebuilt. It didn't help much that we also had several rogue rain storms for days (Having to work in drive way) as well as having that bad FLU that is going around for 2 weeks that is still hanging on. Needless to say, it's been a rough couple of weeks!! LOL!
I am getting a couple custom stainless braided brake lines made which is another week out due to my Tahoe having the double brake lines above the diff (stabilitrak???) that most companies either don't sell with their kit, or ones that do, I have read nightmares about them leaking due to bad fittings (some have even said the wrong fittings?!?!) Not wanting to mess with that, I took my stock ones down to a local hydraulic co. and they will duplicate them. so stainless lines are on hold for now.
The double brake lines...
In a way, that has worked out for the good as far as comparing goes as I get to compare these brakes directly with the 07+ brakes on front and dual piston caliper upgrade in rear that I had on there before without an advantage of stainless lines. Also, I purchased the same Akebono ProAct brake pads that I had before as they are great pads and figured the brake compound should be very close if not the same unless there is a manufacturer requirement that would make them different for this year/model. So at this point, everything is exactly the same as I had before, but only with the 2022 calipers and rotors.
Got everything done and bled yesterday and a couple short trips here and there just to get a feel for them.
So to clarify, I have hydro boost, stock 34mm or 1.34 brake master (vacuum boost masters are 31.75 mm or 1.25) , stock but new rubber lines when I did the 07+ upgrade last year, dual piston rear calipers and then the front brakes from 19+ and re bled with the same dot 4.
So the real question is, do they brake better?!?! so far, yes!!! I don't believe the pads have completely settled in yet but already I do notice a smoother and more confident stop. Before it seemed like you would be slowing, and slowing and then you kinda panic at the end to stop, and though it would definitely stop, you just didn't feel real confident. Seemed almost all or nothing at times. (possibly an issue with one caliper as when I did the 07+ upgrade, they were new calipers but I noticed on disassembly, the outer pad didn't wear quite as much as the others on one pass side even though the pins slide just fine.) The original brakes kinda felt that way as well, but I think that was more due to the minimal size of the stock rotors and pads. I do have hydro boost and with the previous 07+ set up, the pedal barely moved and was almost rock solid after only pushing maybe an inch and always had a weird feel to it. Now the pedal goes down a little further before feeling it start to really engage but it is a smoother engagement. It actually has a better pedal feel to it than before which I am very happy with. ABS only tried to kick on one time and that was coming to a corner where I was braking and there was some pea gravel in the road and had one little skid, ABS kicked on and that was it. hasn't since and doesn't on normal roads.
I do believe it is worth it if your are looking for better brakes. I did notice though, there was a bit of an increase in weight with the new rotors and calipers so if you are looking for less un-sprung weight....Not the way to go.....But it does stop better and that is what I was after. I don't race or autocross the Tahoe in any way so its not a big concern for me. I just want to make sure I can stop!!! lol
I guess the only real issue on whether you should do this brake upgrade or not is wheel fitment. My 22 Texas edition wheels fit and a several others do as well, but seems there are quite a few that won't fit. Especially if you have aftermarket or custom wheels that you don't want to part with. In that case, stick with the 07+ upgrade as it's going to be a great upgrade from stock and also should be a lil cheaper as it seems the newer 19+ calipers and rotors have gone up in price a bit due to popularity.
I have to do a bit of driving this next week so hoping to really get some more road tests in but overall I think it's worth it!
Again, sorry for the long delays as well as sorry for the long winded write up, but, If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask....pics are in my previous posts....
I am getting a couple custom stainless braided brake lines made which is another week out due to my Tahoe having the double brake lines above the diff (stabilitrak???) that most companies either don't sell with their kit, or ones that do, I have read nightmares about them leaking due to bad fittings (some have even said the wrong fittings?!?!) Not wanting to mess with that, I took my stock ones down to a local hydraulic co. and they will duplicate them. so stainless lines are on hold for now.
The double brake lines...
In a way, that has worked out for the good as far as comparing goes as I get to compare these brakes directly with the 07+ brakes on front and dual piston caliper upgrade in rear that I had on there before without an advantage of stainless lines. Also, I purchased the same Akebono ProAct brake pads that I had before as they are great pads and figured the brake compound should be very close if not the same unless there is a manufacturer requirement that would make them different for this year/model. So at this point, everything is exactly the same as I had before, but only with the 2022 calipers and rotors.
Got everything done and bled yesterday and a couple short trips here and there just to get a feel for them.
So to clarify, I have hydro boost, stock 34mm or 1.34 brake master (vacuum boost masters are 31.75 mm or 1.25) , stock but new rubber lines when I did the 07+ upgrade last year, dual piston rear calipers and then the front brakes from 19+ and re bled with the same dot 4.
So the real question is, do they brake better?!?! so far, yes!!! I don't believe the pads have completely settled in yet but already I do notice a smoother and more confident stop. Before it seemed like you would be slowing, and slowing and then you kinda panic at the end to stop, and though it would definitely stop, you just didn't feel real confident. Seemed almost all or nothing at times. (possibly an issue with one caliper as when I did the 07+ upgrade, they were new calipers but I noticed on disassembly, the outer pad didn't wear quite as much as the others on one pass side even though the pins slide just fine.) The original brakes kinda felt that way as well, but I think that was more due to the minimal size of the stock rotors and pads. I do have hydro boost and with the previous 07+ set up, the pedal barely moved and was almost rock solid after only pushing maybe an inch and always had a weird feel to it. Now the pedal goes down a little further before feeling it start to really engage but it is a smoother engagement. It actually has a better pedal feel to it than before which I am very happy with. ABS only tried to kick on one time and that was coming to a corner where I was braking and there was some pea gravel in the road and had one little skid, ABS kicked on and that was it. hasn't since and doesn't on normal roads.
I do believe it is worth it if your are looking for better brakes. I did notice though, there was a bit of an increase in weight with the new rotors and calipers so if you are looking for less un-sprung weight....Not the way to go.....But it does stop better and that is what I was after. I don't race or autocross the Tahoe in any way so its not a big concern for me. I just want to make sure I can stop!!! lol
I guess the only real issue on whether you should do this brake upgrade or not is wheel fitment. My 22 Texas edition wheels fit and a several others do as well, but seems there are quite a few that won't fit. Especially if you have aftermarket or custom wheels that you don't want to part with. In that case, stick with the 07+ upgrade as it's going to be a great upgrade from stock and also should be a lil cheaper as it seems the newer 19+ calipers and rotors have gone up in price a bit due to popularity.
I have to do a bit of driving this next week so hoping to really get some more road tests in but overall I think it's worth it!
Again, sorry for the long delays as well as sorry for the long winded write up, but, If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask....pics are in my previous posts....
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Resurrecting this to ask a question - has anyone measured how far these calipers "stick out" from the hub face? 65 pages of thread and I couldn't find it. Marked in red from someone else's very good photo of the install. If we knew this distance it would probably help with the "will my wheels fit?" questions, as you could just stick a tape measure in there and see if you have enough clearance.
ivin74
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Great question, I also wanna know
Kermode
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The picture you posted is one I took for my install. (thanks for the compliment!) I thought about taking measurements like that when I was doing the install but I didn't as so many wheels have a different way the spokes are made so I didn't think it would come into play. Mine are 22" texas edition reps and as you can see by the pics they come out quite a bit with a curve and do clear, but not by much. Whereas some come almost straight from the mounting point out. I will try to get out there today and take some measurements of both the furthest point out, as well as if you were to shave the hump off. Were there any other measurements you need/want while i'm in there?
I didn't get measurements of that when I was test fitting them for my truck, I do know that the new rotors set back about 3mm farther than the original rotors my 22's cleared by roughly 2 to 4 sheets of paper after shaving off the hump and my 20's off my 2014 sierra cleared by roughly a 1/4" both of these are on 2014-2018 half ton trucks. I believe that the older models some of the 22's cleared but everything else would hit. Also to mention these 22's are off my 2010 sierra originally
This is the 20's
This is the 22's
This is the 20's
This is the 22's
maybe a measurement of your current wheels that fit - distance from the brake rotor surface to the inside of the spoke? My '05 Denali has the 7-spoke 20's, which are 8.5" wide and +22 offset. There's a lot of clearance behind these wheels, but is there THAT much? I don't know!
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does it need the SS brake lines I’m trying to set this up on my 01 with serious lack of brake power
Kermode
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Ok...Finally got a chance to get out there and take some pics, but I apologise for the delay as my back has been, I'll just say, less than cooperative. I had a straight edge and checked measurements but couldn't take a pic holding both by myself but these are the measurements. If you were to shave the hump off, it's 1 1/4 minimum to clear....If you don't shave the hump off it's 1 5/8 minimum to clear. Rotor to spoke varies on my wheels as the have more clearance as they go out. And for reference cause it was asked...my wheels are 22"x 9" with 31 offset. Hope this helps!
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Kermode
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You don't NEED stainless brake lines, but they won't hurt and will help with peddle feel as it will be more solid. I had already replaced all mine with stock lines as the old ones were not looking so hot. When I did this swap, I kept the rubber lines so I could do a straight comparison from nnbs to 4 pot calipers as far as braking and feel. I now have all stainless lines and the peddle feel is definitely more solid.
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can I copy and paste those brake lines onto these calipers and my 01 Yukon xl , is this all I need besides washers?
This is majorly helpful!
Kermode
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Nope!!! there isn't a bracket as these are not floating calipers. They bolt directly to your hub/spindle! YAY!! cost savings!!! lol!
You are correct. I must have been thinking nbs to nnbs.
Got a set of take-off calipers and rotors and just did my test-fit. I can say for certain that the 20" Denali wheels clear all of this without the slightest issue! No wheel spacer, no caliper shaving. There's at least a half-inch clearance between the spoke and the "hump" with the caliper properly centered on the rotor.
I think I'll paint these calipers glossy black with a DENALI logo before I do the full install. Booya.
I think I'll paint these calipers glossy black with a DENALI logo before I do the full install. Booya.
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tooleyondeck
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Would it be possible to confirm that these are the OEM 20" snowflakes, correct? GM PN: 22977696 20x9 +27 offset
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