G80 code fluid change, additive or no?

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So in my 98 Yukon with G80 code, I have a rear axel seal leaking and am going to service rear end. Bearings, seals, fluid, gasket. From the AMSOil site, I have two quarts 75w-90 (ACD 10-4016) in my cart (ACDelco fluid, just using AMS site for amounts) but am conflicted if I need to order and add ACD Limited Slip Additive or not (ACD 10-4003)? Can anyone advise?
 

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it does not require it, there is lots of "speculation" about using anyway it depending on who you ask
I have used it on g80's and it quieted/stopped unwanted lockup and I never had any problems.
 
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it does not require it, there is lots of "speculation" about using anyway it depending on who you ask
I have used it on g80's and it quieted/stopped unwanted lockup and I never had any problems.
I guess for $10 its not a big deal. Just didn't want to add it if I dont need it. I'll add. Thanks.
 

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If you read around its not a limited slip per say,G80 is a mechanical locking diff.

I think if you asked 10 GM techs all would say no don't add it.
 

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Well its $7 with the rest of my order at Rock Auto. I guess I'll buy it and not add unless I have a problem. $7 is worth it to have on the shelf.
I did some looking/reading a few yrs back and there really was no definite answer that I found. I dont add anything.
 

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My 99 Tahoe had a complete rebuild of the rear end from a drive line and gear service company. They replaced everything from both U-Joints, all bearings and the posi. They used part number A/G546097 (GM8.5/8.6 POSI 273 & UP 30SP) $590.91 for the posi. They used 80/90 GL6 (Bulk) for oil and no other additives. For you reference and justification for doing the job yourself I spent $965.16 for parts and the labor was $786.25.
 

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@Rocket Man @iamdub

Didn’t one of you do a Ph.D level dissertation on this subject and find that additive was definitely not needed on a G80 locking differential?
It was James @swathdiver
No, since the 1980s our truck rear axles could have a locking limited slip differential, it is a combination unit but we call it a locker. If you had G80 in a 1987 Monte Carlo SS, that is a limited slip. If you had G80 in your 1987 K5 Jimmy, that is a locker.

From the shop manual:

The optional locking differential (RPO G80) enhances the traction capability of the rear axle by combining the
characteristics of a limited-slip differential and the ability of the axle shafts to "lock" together when uneven
traction surfaces exist. The differential accomplishes this in 2 ways. First by having a series of clutch plates at
each side of the differential case to limit the amount of slippage between each wheel. Second, by using a
mechanical locking mechanism to stop the rotation of the right differential side gear, in order to transfer the
rotating torque of the wheel without traction to the wheel with traction. Each of these functions occur under
different conditions.

Limited-Slip Function

Under normal conditions, when the differential is not locked, a small amount of limited-slip action occurs. The
gear separating force developed in the right-hand clutch pack is primarily responsible for this.
The operation of how the limited-slip function of the unit works can be explained when the vehicle makes a
right-hand turn. Since the left wheel travels farther than the right wheel, it must rotate faster than the ring gear
and differential case assembly. This results in the left axle and left side gear rotating faster than the differential
case. The faster rotation of the left-side gear causes the pinion gears to rotate on the pinion shaft. This causes
the right-side gear to rotate slower than the differential case.

Although the side gear spreading force produced by the pinion gears compresses the clutch packs, primarily the
right side, the friction between the tires and the road surface is sufficient to overcome the friction of the clutch
packs. This prevents the side gears from being held to the differential case.

Locking Function

Locking action occurs through the use of some special parts:
 A governor mechanism with 2 flyweights
 A latching bracket
 The left side cam plate and cam side gear

When the wheel-to-wheel speed difference is 100 RPM or more, the flyweights of the governor will fling out
and one of them will contact an edge of the latching bracket. This happens because the left cam side gear and
cam plate are rotating at a speed different, either slower or faster, than that of the ring gear and differential case
assembly. The cam plate has teeth on its outer diameter surface in mesh with teeth on the shaft of the governor.
As the side gear rotates at a speed different than that of the differential case, the shaft of the governor rotates
with enough speed to force the flyweights outward against spring tension. One of the flyweights catches its edge
on the closest edge of the latching bracket, which is stationary in the differential case. This latching process
triggers a chain of events.

When the governor latches, it stops rotating. A small friction clutch inside the governor allows rotation, with
resistance, of the governor shaft while one flyweight is held to the differential case through the latching bracket.
The purpose of the governor's latching action is to slow the rotation of the cam plate as compared to the cam
side gear. This will cause the cam plate to move out of its detent position.
The cam plate normally is held in its detent position by a small wave spring and detent humps resting in
matching notches of the cam side gear. At this point, the ramps of the cam plate ride up on the ramps of the cam
side gear, and the cam plate compresses the left clutch pack with a self-energizing action.
As the left clutch pack is compressed, it pushes the cam plate and cam side gear slightly toward the right side of
the differential case. This movement of the cam side gear pushes the thrust block which compresses the righthand
side gear clutch pack.

At this point, the force of the self-energizing clutches and the side gear separating force combine to hold the
side gears to the differential case in the locking stage.
The entire locking process occurs in less than 1 second. The process works with either the left or right wheel
spinning, due to the design of the governor and cam mechanism. A torque reversal of any kind will unlatch the
governor, causing the cam plate to ride back down to its detent position. Cornering or deceleration during a
transmission shift will cause a torque reversal of this type. The differential unit returns to its limited-slip
function.

The self-energizing process would not occur if it were not for the action of one of the left clutch discs. This
energizing disc provides the holding force of the ramping action to occur. It is the only disc which is splined to
the cam plate itself. The other splined discs fit on the cam side gear.

If the rotating speed of the ring gear and differential case assembly is high enough, the latching bracket will
pivot due to centrifugal force. This will move the flyweights so that no locking is permitted. During vehicle
driving, this happens at approximately 32 km/h (20 mph) and continues at faster speeds.
When comparing the effectiveness of the locking differential, in terms of percent-of-grade capability to open
and limited-slip units, the locking differential has nearly 3 times the potential of the limited-slip unit under the
same conditions.

Locking Differential Torque-Limiting Disc

The locking differential design was modified in mid-1986 to include a load-limiting feature to reduce the
chance of breaking an axle shaft under abusive driving conditions. The number of tangs on the energizing disc
in the left-hand clutch pack was reduced allowing these tangs to shear in the event of a high-torque engagement
of the differential locking mechanism.

At the time of failure of the load-limiting disc, there will be a loud bang in the rear axle and the differential will
operate as a standard differential with some limited-slip action of the clutch packs at low torques.
The service procedure, when the disc tangs shear, involves replacing the left-hand clutch plates and the wave
spring. It is also necessary to examine the axle shafts for twisting because at high torques it is possible to not
only shear the load-limiting disc, but to also twist the axle shafts.

Oh, and you are not dim James! You are here asking questions and that makes you smart!
 

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Actually he just described the difference between the different types of traction devices. That said the forum consensus has been not to use it and some threads even point to it as a cause for issues with the locking G80. I always understood it to not be needed in the locking units used in our trucks.
 

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