Expedition vs Yukon

[sickk21]

I looked at his old posts and decided to call it quits. He is a broken record who's constantly wrong and waiting for something that may happen in at early as another 2 years. I'll let him argue with the next guy about how terrible GM is with production in an environment where all car manufacturers are having supply issues.

Back in December, November and October 2021:

"GM needs to get their act together. The gravy train is going to end soon once GM's competitors in the 1/2 ton based short wheel base SUV market start ramping up production. Ford just started producing the updated 2022 Expedition and Toyota just revealed the 2023 Sequoia that will start being..."

"With the way the market is going, I may end up ordering a 1/2 ton pickup and push off the full size SUV purchase until 2024+ to replace our midsize SUV. You can order a new F150 at 3-5% below invoice pricing"

"The incentive is to produce them faster than they are now because their competitors will start bringing similar products to the market. Once that happens, the party is over."

"Can you wait until 2023? There is going to be a lot more inventory and GM's competitors will have more inventory as well as brand new models."

"It's a great time for wealthy families that have extra cars and properties to unload their assets at a great price and wait 2-3 years for the Big 3 and Toyota to go back to offering substantial discounts off MSRP."

"LOL. Let's see if that's still the case when the 2022 Ford Expedition hits dealerships and Jeep ramps up production of the Wagoneer in a few month."

"Demand for full size SUVs is incredibly high right now. However, supply should start to alleviate the demand by Q1 of 2022. Not just based on increased GM production, but also on the increase production of the revised Ford Expedition as well as the new entry into the market segment - Jeep..."

"I'm curious as to what the actual market price will be in 2023. Supply will start to recover and the pickup market is very competitive with the new offerings from Ford and Toyota. I expect to see substantial discounts towards the end of 2023."

"Defeaturing of the 2022 GM full size SUVs makes it worth it to wait for the refreshed 2022 Ford Expedition. "

You hardly called it quits.
I’ve been ignoring this whole thing since you argued with me a Chevy is worth more than a Toyota.



Expedition is ugly. The refreshed front looks like a maverick and those are goofy. I also can’t stand the ford chime for whatever reason. Hah

 

[firsttimetahoe]

You hardly called it quits.
I’ve been ignoring this whole thing since you argued with me a Chevy is worth more than a Toyota.

I just called it quits

And a Chevy is worth more than a Toyota.

Care to want to debate Sequoia and Landcruiser sales with me?

 

[Polo08816]

You hardly called it quits.
I’ve been ignoring this whole thing since you argued with me a Chevy is worth more than a Toyota.



Expedition is ugly. The refreshed front looks like a maverick and those are goofy. I also can’t stand the ford chime for whatever reason. Hah

I just called it quits

And a Chevy is worth more than a Toyota.

Care to want to debate Sequoia and Landcruiser sales with me?

For the Nth time?

 

[bunky319]

My 2 cents worth....(in a thread titled "Expedition vs Yukon" it seems reasonable to be discussing competition...)

I really *want* to like the Ford Expedition...I've always really liked Ford's. But when I price out what I would need to have, I come up with an MSRP of over $78K...My build of the Yukon XL SLT comes to a little over $70K....so yes, I can probably get a much better discount on the Ford and I do have access to X-plan, etc....but will I get $8K off? doubtful. But more importantly...I think the Yukon looks sooooo much better than the Expedition, although obviously that is personal preference.

Regarding the new Toyota Sequoia, that is just too small for me. However, if they would come out with an "XL" version very soon, I would be very interested in that. And yes, I would be quite willing to pay that same $70K (or even a little more) for something like that.

Again, just one person's opinion....

 

[sickk21]

And a Chevy is worth more than a Toyota.

Care to want to debate Sequoia and Landcruiser sales with me?

So low volume vehicles aren’t worth as much money?

 

[firsttimetahoe]

So low volume vehicles aren’t worth as much money?

If they were worth the money, the sales wouldn’t be so lopsided.

Again…I think the new Sequoia looks quite nice. That’s a compliment. Will I spend $70k on a Toyota? Hell no.

The Genesis Suv is gorgeous looking car. But who wants to spend that
Kind of money on a Hyundai? The answer is very few.

In a market where people are desperate to get cars, certain cars still don’t sell. It’s not rocket science. People walking into the Toyota dealership aren’t going in their to buy their most expensive cars.

 

[07Burb]

So I just went through 4 reported posts from this thread. For what it's worth I rejected all 4 of the reports. Here are the bullet points I want to make clear to be concise.

1. be adults and treat people, as such
2. treat people with respect
3. It's ok to not agree with someone else's opinion. It's not that serious and no one will die if they don't agree with everything that is posted
4. if you have an issue with someone and just cannot bring yourself to get along with them in an adult manner then put them on your ignore list and then actually proceed with ignoring them.

We're all adults here and we expect you to act accordingly. If that's too hard to do then we will take actions appropriate for the situation. In this case, if we can't be adults in this thread the thread will be closed OR I'll ban specific members from this thread so that they can no longer participate in it.

Thanks!

 

[Polo08816]

My 2 cents worth....(in a thread titled "Expedition vs Yukon" it seems reasonable to be discussing competition...)

I really *want* to like the Ford Expedition...I've always really liked Ford's. But when I price out what I would need to have, I come up with an MSRP of over $78K...My build of the Yukon XL SLT comes to a little over $70K....so yes, I can probably get a much better discount on the Ford and I do have access to X-plan, etc....but will I get $8K off? doubtful. But more importantly...I think the Yukon looks sooooo much better than the Expedition, although obviously that is personal preference.

Regarding the new Toyota Sequoia, that is just too small for me. However, if they would come out with an "XL" version very soon, I would be very interested in that. And yes, I would be quite willing to pay that same $70K (or even a little more) for something like that.

Again, just one person's opinion....

I agree with most people here and think the GMC Yukon Denali XL looks the best. But looks are less of a priority for me than features, trailering, reliability, driving dynamics, and value. I'm hoping Toyota chooses to go with a long wheel base Sequioa and has a more comparable Lexus SUV so that your retail customer has more options.

 

[wjburken]

 

[89Suburban]

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Knock it off!!!!!

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Wow. GM sales up for every model while Ford is down significantly.

Who would have thunk it lol

“The Ford Expedition experienced a substantial 56 percent decrease in sales volume to 9,718 units during the first quarter of 2022, placing the nameplate fourth in its segment from a sales volume standpoint. The Expedition was outsold by the Chevy Tahoe in first, which saw a four percent increase to 23,979 units, as well as the GMC Yukon which increased 15 percent to 21,296 units. The Chevy Suburban earned third with a 12 percent increase to 12,424 units.”

https://fordauthority.com/2022/04/ford-expedition-sales-numbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2022/

 

[Polo08816]

So I just went through 4 reported posts from this thread. For what it's worth I rejected all 4 of the reports. Here are the bullet points I want to make clear to be concise.

1. be adults and treat people, as such
2. treat people with respect
3. It's ok to not agree with someone else's opinion. It's not that serious and no one will die if they don't agree with everything that is posted
4. if you have an issue with someone and just cannot bring yourself to get along with them in an adult manner then put them on your ignore list and then actually proceed with ignoring them.

We're all adults here and we expect you to act accordingly. If that's too hard to do then we will take actions appropriate for the situation. In this case, if we can't be adults in this thread the thread will be closed OR I'll ban specific members from this thread so that they can no longer participate in it.

Thanks!

Wow. GM sales up for every model while Ford is down significantly.

Who would have thunk it lol

“The Ford Expedition experienced a substantial 56 percent decrease in sales volume to 9,718 units during the first quarter of 2022, placing the nameplate fourth in its segment from a sales volume standpoint. The Expedition was outsold by the Chevy Tahoe in first, which saw a four percent increase to 23,979 units, as well as the GMC Yukon which increased 15 percent to 21,296 units. The Chevy Suburban earned third with a 12 percent increase to 12,424 units.”

https://fordauthority.com/2022/04/ford-expedition-sales-numbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2022/

I get the sense that, perhaps, you haven't moved on.

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Ford didn't produce the updated 2022 Ford Expedition until halfway in 2022 Q1 with deliveries starting in Q2 of 2022. I think it's not unusual to see sales of a previous generation/pre-update model trail off before the deliveries of the updated model.

It's also what happened with the Tundra sales when they switched over to a updated model. Now sure, some of the loss of sales may be COVID related, but if things are "getting worse", I wouldn't have expected 2022 Q1 results to be higher than 2021 Q4.

Tundra Sales

Q4 2020 - 32,389 units
Q4 2021 - 16,946 units
Q1 2022 - 22,643 units

 

[todayusay]

had a dealer in the Dallas area call yesterday inquiring if I was still in the market for a Tahoe (one of numerous I had contacted about in transit units).

This dealer back in Feb was $6k over

Asked how they were pricing them now - he said 10% over and an additional +$3k add-on package...so essentially $10k over

 

[Yukon21Denali]

Certainly a personal taste thing but IMO Fords are no comparison to GM line ups, be it Yukons or Eskys or f150 vs sierras. GM trucks looks so much better, probably why GM suvs are in livery so much and in movies and tv shows.

 

[R32driver]

Certainly a personal taste thing but IMO Fords are no comparison to GM line ups, be it Yukons or Eskys or f150 vs sierras. GM trucks looks so much better, probably why GM suvs are in livery so much and in movies and tv shows.

Like you said, personal taste. The new silverados are hideous compared to either an f150 or superduty. I've never been a ford fan but they are pretty sweet trucks these days. If I was in the market for a brand new truck it would definitely look at a ford over a chevy based solely on looks.

Expeditions do catch my eye when I see them but haven't really seen any brand new ones in real life. Every soccer mom in the world seems to be driving a gmc yukon or a chevy tahoe or a cadillac escalade these days

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Like you said, personal taste. The new silverados are hideous compared to either an f150 or superduty. I've never been a ford fan but they are pretty sweet trucks these days. If I was in the market for a brand new truck it would definitely look at a ford over a chevy based solely on looks.

Expeditions do catch my eye when I see them but haven't really seen any brand new ones in real life. Every soccer mom in the world seems to be driving a gmc yukon or a chevy tahoe or a cadillac escalade these days

Yes because they are considered the premier brand in the full size category.

Comical to think a soccer mom is gonna all of a sudden want to start driving a Toyota just because it got an facelift.

Ford Expedition poses a threat to GM. I really like the Navigator too…I think Ford is trying to get it as close as possible to looks as they can.

And the grand Wagoneer….well….I see them on every dealer lot. Only 1 on the road so far. It’s easier to spot a Yeti or Lochness monster then one lol

 

[sickk21]

Comical to think a soccer mom is gonna all of a sudden want to start driving a Toyota just because it got an facelift.

Uh yeah I’m sure a lot of soccer moms would consider a Toyota if it would finally get an upgrade. But we’re talking about the expedition now.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Uh yeah I’m sure a lot of soccer moms would consider a Toyota if it would finally get an upgrade. But we’re talking about the expedition now.

Do you see a lot of Genesis vehicles on the road?

I certainly don’t.

And those are very very nice looking cars.

See tons of Acura, Lexus, Audi, BMW, Benz & Jaguars where I live though.

When soccer mom has $70k to spend on a full size she won’t be visiting a Toyota dealer.

When soccer mom has $50k to spend on a mid size or a sedan she sure is he’ll ain’t visiting a Hyundai Genesis dealer. Numbers speak for themselves

 

[Baja_Bob]

I like the Lincoln Navigator more than the Expedition, I know there's a big price difference between the 2 and the Navigator is more on the Escalade's level with features. The Expedition seems plain to me, the Navigator has the styling along with GM's big SUVs that catches my eye.

 

[Stbentoak]

Do you see a lot of Genesis vehicles on the road?

I certainly don’t.

And those are very very nice looking cars.

See tons of Acura, Lexus, Audi, BMW, Benz & Jaguars where I live though.

When soccer mom has $70k to spend on a full size she won’t be visiting a Toyota dealer.

When soccer mom has $50k to spend on a mid size or a sedan she sure is he’ll ain’t visiting a Hyundai Genesis dealer. Numbers speak for themselves

The big thing is the Genesis dealer network hasn't kept up with the "Upscale" level of the brand. Most all of them are just glorified Kia Dealerships with service to match. I very briefly looked into one and when the dealer said sorry, we have no pickup or delivery and can't guarantee loaners... that was it for me....