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Im curious as to what brands you guys use. Any evidence that such products worked for you?

I put some Techron in mine last tank to see if it helps with the cold starts. I seem to notice a bit of misfire for about 5 to 10 seconds. Smooths out after. I seen someone on here was using marvel mystery oil, so I bought some for this new tank of fuel.

I also seen something new, Lucas oil low viscosity stabilizer. Says it’s ideal for vvt and dod engines. Curious if any of you use that.
 

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alot of the additives out there are just smoke and mirrors or just a marketing gimmick. marvel mystery oil has been around for a while so it has to atleast be doing something. i do use lucas in my older vehicles on occasion. i did the valve covers on my tahoe again a little while ago when i did the headers and egr pipe. dont remember why i did it but whatever. engine looked about the same as the first time i did it. but regardless lucas seems less aggressive and "magic" than other oil additives and i only use it every couple of oil changes. ive used seafoam in the fuel and directly into the intake via tb or vacuum line. ive used it a number of times with varying results. the big concern with seafoam is when its run through the intake properly and then run out it can create alot of smoke. oils and cleaners from the seafoam being blown through your exhaust which if your catalytic converter is about to clog it will probably be the straw that did it.
 

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Im curious as to what brands you guys use. Any evidence that such products worked for you?

I put some Techron in mine last tank to see if it helps with the cold starts. I seem to notice a bit of misfire for about 5 to 10 seconds. Smooths out after. I seen someone on here was using marvel mystery oil, so I bought some for this new tank of fuel.

I also seen something new, Lucas oil low viscosity stabilizer. Says it’s ideal for vvt and dod engines. Curious if any of you use that.

Shortly after purchase, I ran some of those bottles of SuperTech fuel system and fuel-injector cleaner through the tank. It increased my gas mileage while it was in there. However, top-tier Mobil and Chevron are my preferred fuels, 93 octane with several months a year spent on various blends of Ethanol which also cleans the injectors.

My motor is cranky when it first starts up after sitting overnight, just for a few seconds, then she settles down and runs just fine. I don't consider this a problem.
 

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Mine idles smooth as glass when I run the BG chemtool in the gas tank... Do it about once every oil change... man it runs good with that in there... Rest of the time just normal 93 top tier gas... Dont have a Chevron station near by that I wont get water in my gas so I stick to shell, exxon, or valero...

Most of the cleaners are not really needed for injectors, the solvent of gasoline is actually really well at dissolving bs... But the pump and filters seem to benefit from cleaners the most...
 

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I haven't thought about or experimented much with fuel or oil additives.
But I wonder if there is any scientific evidence that these products do anything at all.
 

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But.....but.....but......I grew up with Richard Petty saying STP would give me the Racer’s Edge!

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It couldn’t have all been a lie!
 

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In all seriousness. I do believe that some of the products do offer legitimate benefits when used in conjunction with proper maintenance and quality fluids and fuel.

That being said, I believe that some of the products out there offer a fleeting improvement by temporarily boosting octane or something and the majority work on the placebo effect simply because people want to believe they are going to see an improvement so that is what they perceive is the result.
 

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I think we need to classify these additives into different arbitrary groups.

First, the snake oils: This is stuff thats <$5 and available at your local auto zone. One that comes to mind is the GUNK engine cleanse. This is just pure diesel. You can smell it. It's just a pint of diesel to act as a solvent in your motor! So, unfortunately, MMO/marvel mystery old is part of this at $3.99. I use a bottle of it on every oil change, but do I KNOW it does something? No.

Second, the major industrial products: I reference the Kano/Kreen in this group. I ran this stuff as recommended in the oil and in the gas, and I didn't notice much change. Now, this isn't necessarily a problem with the product, I think I had just used enough other stuff prior to it, that it didnt have much to do.

Third, thickeners: Lookin at you lucas. This stuff fills the gaps, increases oil pressure (i guess) and does it really do anything for the longevity of a motor???

Anyhow I made a thread up here and posted what I've done thus far on my noisy burb:
https://www.tahoeyukonforum.com/threads/engine-noise-progress-with-videos.110089/

In short, I ran a quart of ATF for a few thousand miles, and it cleared things up quite nicely. I did MMO and the Kreen AFTER that period.......so had I done that FIRST, would my results have varied?? Not sure. I think Kreen is a bonafide product...I wish I had done that first, but I was expecting instant gratification from the ATF (because I'm clueless) and so I ordered the kreen while that was in the crank.
 

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I used to use MoS2. In my last car, I ran some UOAs and found better wear numbers. Problem is with prolonged use, it likes to separate out and leave deposits of the stuff in the pan. Found that one out by surprise on this rig when I had the pan down. I've since abandoned it. Bit of a bummer since on paper it worked, but long term it will eventually plug the pickup. There's supposed to be a soluble moly additive called biotech. I've not used or tested it though, nor can I comment if LM's ceratec is effective / suffers from separation problems.
 

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Im curious as to what brands you guys use. Any evidence that such products worked for you?

I put some Techron in mine last tank to see if it helps with the cold starts. I seem to notice a bit of misfire for about 5 to 10 seconds. Smooths out after. I seen someone on here was using marvel mystery oil, so I bought some for this new tank of fuel.

I also seen something new, Lucas oil low viscosity stabilizer. Says it’s ideal for vvt and dod engines. Curious if any of you use that.
 

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I use the Lucas gas treatment whenever I'm going on a long trip, i.e., one where I'll use the whole tank before getting home. Not sure what it's doing, but the engine runs smooth and the MPGs go up about 2-3 per trip. Ran some Seafoam through a 98 Tahoe I bought as andropause project. Not sure it did much, but my mechanic suggested it. He felt the truck hadn't been well cared for, and it might help to try to clean it out some.
 

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Mine idles smooth as glass when I run the BG chemtool in the gas tank... Do it about once every oil change... man it runs good with that in there... Rest of the time just normal 93 top tier gas... Dont have a Chevron station near by that I wont get water in my gas so I stick to shell, exxon, or valero...

Most of the cleaners are not really needed for injectors, the solvent of gasoline is actually really well at dissolving bs... But the pump and filters seem to benefit from cleaners the most...
Do you have Texaco near you? They are a "sister" of Chevron and have the Techron additive also.
 

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Im curious as to what brands you guys use. Any evidence that such products worked for you?

I put some Techron in mine last tank to see if it helps with the cold starts. I seem to notice a bit of misfire for about 5 to 10 seconds. Smooths out after. I seen someone on here was using marvel mystery oil, so I bought some for this new tank of fuel.

I also seen something new, Lucas oil low viscosity stabilizer. Says it’s ideal for vvt and dod engines. Curious if any of you use that.

I have never followed an oil change regimen, mostly between 5 and 8 thousnd miles i'll change it. Ive always used the cheapest oil and filter I could find and ive always used the cheapest gas I could find. Because im cheap.
My 3.7 ram 355,000 miles still passes smog.
My 5.3 Tahoe 297,000 miles. Still passes smog.
My 67 352 ci.F250 roughly 400,000 miles still purrs.
The secret isnt additives or expensive maintenance, its how you drive. Plain and simple.
 

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I used to use MoS2. In my last car, I ran some UOAs and found better wear numbers. Problem is with prolonged use, it likes to separate out and leave deposits of the stuff in the pan. Found that one out by surprise on this rig when I had the pan down. I've since abandoned it. Bit of a bummer since on paper it worked, but long term it will eventually plug the pickup. There's supposed to be a soluble moly additive called biotech. I've not used or tested it though, nor can I comment if LM's ceratec is effective / suffers from separation problems.

My experience has led me to 480M Ultragard from Primrose Oil Company. Add this product to your crankcase oil at 10% by volume i.e. if your crankcase capacity is 5.5qts, on your next oil change put in .5qts of 480M Ultragard and 5 quarts motor oil. The amount of additive recommended is an important factor to weigh as you want to avoid changing the oil's viscosity with too much oil supplement. For example, Lucas Oil Treatment directions say to add a minimum of 20% by volume and recommends you actually use 60% by volume. IMO these amounts will change the oil's viscosity and increase the potential of doing more harm than good.
A couple of big reasons I use 480M Ultragard is: 1) it doesn't stratify or separate from the oil it's mix with, as it chemically bonds to the oil. This greatly improves the shear strength and improves the oil's viscosity index. 2) It plates to the metal surfaces it's lubricating. This is huge as motor oil today contains very little, if any, zinc and phosphorus, a.k.a. ZDDP. This plating ability is particularly beneficial when you shut your engine off, as it leaves a protective coating on vital engine components and inhibits oxidation. This protective coating also acts as a sacrificial lubricant when starting your engine back up making it easier on your engine during cold starts. It should be noted that 480M Ultragard does not contain actual ZDDP anti-wear additives, however it does provide the benefits of ZDDP while being completely safe and beneficial for use with today's engines designed with emission control devices and after-treatment systems.

When it comes to fuel additives I've seen really good results cleaning fuel systems on the gas or diesel side with 406 Injector Perfector also from Primrose. Depending upon how clean or dirty your fuel system is, you may need to treat 2-3 consecutive tanks of fuel when first starting to use 406 Injector Perfector. After initial clean up, treat 1 full tank whenever you change your oil.
If you're looking for a quality every tank treatment additive that maintains cleanliness, prevents or reverses phase separation and will stabilize your fuel when storing your boat, car, motorcycle, snowmobile, lawn & garden equipment, etc... use Phaser 3000.
The Seafoam's, Sta-bil's & MMO's we've all tried at one point or another have little to no effect on today's modern fuel formulations and I seriously doubt they were ever actually effective. Although guys that work on carburetors swear by the cleaning ability of straight Seafoam when used at 100%. Personally I think they'll get the same or better results with straight up Isopropyl Alcohol considering that is 70% of what Seafoam consists of.
When it comes to Diesel Powered engines, either of the above fuel additives from Primrose will also work with however, neither are as cost effective nor do they include the necessary ingredients needed to provide the remarkable results you'll get from 5007 Power Klenz ID, also from, you guessed it, Primrose.
5007 Power Klenz ID boosts Cetane by 40 points (4 numbers), improves lubricity, thermally & oxidatively stabilizes diesel fuel, extends fuel filter life and dissolves & inhibits IDID's (Internal Diesel Injector Deposits) that cause injector stiction, among others.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but I hope some of this information has been helpful.
 

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My experience has led me to 480M Ultragard from Primrose Oil Company. Add this product to your crankcase oil at 10% by volume i.e. if your crankcase capacity is 5.5qts, on your next oil change put in .5qts of 480M Ultragard and 5 quarts motor oil. The amount of additive recommended is an important factor to weigh as you want to avoid changing the oil's viscosity with too much oil supplement. For example, Lucas Oil Treatment directions say to add a minimum of 20% by volume and recommends you actually use 60% by volume. IMO these amounts will change the oil's viscosity and increase the potential of doing more harm than good.
A couple of big reasons I use 480M Ultragard is: 1) it doesn't stratify or separate from the oil it's mix with, as it chemically bonds to the oil. This greatly improves the shear strength and improves the oil's viscosity index. 2) It plates to the metal surfaces it's lubricating. This is huge as motor oil today contains very little, if any, zinc and phosphorus, a.k.a. ZDDP. This plating ability is particularly beneficial when you shut your engine off, as it leaves a protective coating on vital engine components and inhibits oxidation. This protective coating also acts as a sacrificial lubricant when starting your engine back up making it easier on your engine during cold starts. It should be noted that 480M Ultragard does not contain actual ZDDP anti-wear additives, however it does provide the benefits of ZDDP while being completely safe and beneficial for use with today's engines designed with emission control devices and after-treatment systems.

When it comes to fuel additives I've seen really good results cleaning fuel systems on the gas or diesel side with 406 Injector Perfector also from Primrose. Depending upon how clean or dirty your fuel system is, you may need to treat 2-3 consecutive tanks of fuel when first starting to use 406 Injector Perfector. After initial clean up, treat 1 full tank whenever you change your oil.
If you're looking for a quality every tank treatment additive that maintains cleanliness, prevents or reverses phase separation and will stabilize your fuel when storing your boat, car, motorcycle, snowmobile, lawn & garden equipment, etc... use Phaser 3000.
The Seafoam's, Sta-bil's & MMO's we've all tried at one point or another have little to no effect on today's modern fuel formulations and I seriously doubt they were ever actually effective. Although guys that work on carburetors swear by the cleaning ability of straight Seafoam when used at 100%. Personally I think they'll get the same or better results with straight up Isopropyl Alcohol considering that is 70% of what Seafoam consists of.
When it comes to Diesel Powered engines, either of the above fuel additives from Primrose will also work with however, neither are as cost effective nor do they include the necessary ingredients needed to provide the remarkable results you'll get from 5007 Power Klenz ID, also from, you guessed it, Primrose.
5007 Power Klenz ID boosts Cetane by 40 points (4 numbers), improves lubricity, thermally & oxidatively stabilizes diesel fuel, extends fuel filter life and dissolves & inhibits IDID's (Internal Diesel Injector Deposits) that cause injector stiction, among others.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but I hope some of this information has been helpful.

Some good and interesting info here, but I can't help but think that maaaaaybe you work for Primrose? What say you of Kano Labs?
 

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Some good and interesting info here, but I can't help but think that maaaaaybe you work for Primrose? What say you of Kano Labs?
First post and types out that. Yeah I think so. Especially because he keeps saying "we" .

So then. I get to be the tough customer I am. Since we have a representative here, perhaps he can save me from doing my own research for a couple hours

It chemically bonds with the oil? That means it forms a precipitate? Sounds dangerous. Wont that clog my filter and settle out?

Improves the viscosity index? By what means? What effects does this have on hot and cold viscosity? What sort of improvement? Thicker when hot? Thinner when cold? What sort of resistance does such an additive have to fuel dilution, shear down, and HTHS properties of the oil?


How does not-zddp plate my engine? It's a HTHS additive that forms a sacrificial coating only under high shear forces I. E. Flat tappets. Why does a roller engine need it? Since what you use for ZDDP substitute has an atypical behavior, what's to stop the material from depositing where it isn't wanted - such as inside the lifters, pushrods, oil filter, and other lubricant passageways? What data do you have that suggests this might be a benefit? What are the trade offs?



For the fuel additive, wouldn't reversing phase separation cause water to be forced through the system as opposed to being able to drain/suck it off? Won't that cause more corrosion?
 

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