New Truck in Town vs GM Units

[NYisles1]

People and companies should have a choice as to what to make and buy without government interference. Personal responsibility, not government mandates should be the rule and not the exception.

Yes, many of the very latest products are putting out nice power with good mileage compared with thirty years ago, but it took them near thirty years to catch up. I once drove an '85 LeSabre from New York to Florida and got 35 mpg at 72 mph average for the whole trip. Our 3300 Buick in a '93 Olds Ciera got over 30 mpg on the highway as did our '94 Olds 98 Regency with the 3800, that one got 25 around town and 32 on the highway. I could even squeek out 32 mpg from my GN by turning the fuel pressure down.

The old Cummins made 160 hp so if the new ones are finally at 22 mpg that's great. My buddies 2012 Dodge diesel didn't get half that. Curiously for diesel powered trucks, they sure do make more power but their GCWR is generally lower than yesteryear until recently. My 1990 F-Superduty had a GCWR of 33,000lbs. The aformentioned Dodge Cummins, 26,000 lbs.

A lot of apples to oranges in your points. For example, that ford superduty was a 10 lug truck, not comparable to the dodge you are comparing it to.

 

[cardude2000]

And we now have safer, better driving cars with more power, get better MPG and are many times cleaner.

The regulations did exactly what they were meant to do. Sure, it took the dinosaur American car companies a while to get their shit together but you can hardly blame that on consumers (and then ultimately the govt) wanting air to not choke you and cars to not blow up when hit.




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[swathdiver]

...but a car that blows up when it’***** or is unsafe at speed or pollutes the air is an infringement on other people’s rights

The opposite is true in realville. A polluting car is an infringement on people's rights? That's insane thinking dude.

 

[swathdiver]

A lot of apples to oranges in your points. For example, that ford superduty was a 10 lug truck, not comparable to the dodge you are comparing it to.

Sorry, My intent was to show that both of them had tow ratings higher than today's vehicles or at least not equaled until recently. I forgot how many lugs it had, but do remember the I-Beam front axle, ZF Trans and 5.13 gears and that 7.3 International was a beast. It's replacement, not so much.

 

[cardude2000]

The opposite is true in realville. A polluting car is an infringement on people's rights? That's insane thinking dude.

Call it what you want but it’s the reason why they stopped allowing smoking in airplanes and restaurants and created strict emission controls for power plants.

Your right to swing your arms ends when they hit my face. You have the right to pollute until it’s proven that at certain levels it kills me.

Either way we are way off topic. We all know you aren’t allowed to buy a ford so why are you even in a thread about a new ford?

 

[15YUKON]

Call it what you want but it’s the reason why they stopped allowing smoking in airplanes and restaurants and created strict emission controls for power plants.

Your right to swing your arms ends when they hit my face. You have the right to pollute until it’s proven that at certain levels it kills me.

Either way we are way off topic. We all know you aren’t allowed to buy a ford so why are you even in a thread about a new ford?

I once read an article that stated one Toyota Prius does as much pollution as three F-150s. Lithium mining, lithium disposal, and horrible production processes. A lot of these new vehicles are worse for the environment than an 8.1L Vortec chevy.

 

[cardude2000]

I once read an article that stated one Toyota Prius does as much pollution as three F-150s. Lithium mining, lithium disposal, and horrible production processes. A lot of these new vehicles are worse for the environment than an 8.1L Vortec chevy.

Lots of apples to phone pole comparisons and false equivalence in this thread.

I’ll take a 2018 Ford Expedition over a 1997 Ford Expedition any day.

Faster, safer, stronger, more towing and less polluting.

 

[swathdiver]

Government enforced restrictions on smoking are another example of an infringement on our liberties. If a company wants to cater to smokers then non-smokers can put up with it or go somewhere else. GM offered air bags back in the 1960s, they were dropped due to lack of popularity, nobody wanted them. Seat belts were optional too. I cannot but wonder if the reason why all these cars from different manufacturers look alike is because of regulations by the Carl Marx wannabes in Washington. That new Ford/Lincoln is a good example when compared to the GM trucks. Ford, Honda, Kia and others all have these sedans that also look very similar, even more similar than the 1980s Buick Regal and Chevy Monte Carlo!

 

[cardude2000]

Government enforced restrictions on smoking are another example of an infringement on our liberties. If a company wants to cater to smokers then non-smokers can put up with it or go somewhere else. GM offered air bags back in the 1960s, they were dropped due to lack of popularity, nobody wanted them. Seat belts were optional too. I cannot but wonder if the reason why all these cars from different manufacturers look alike is because of regulations by the Carl Marx wannabes in Washington. That new Ford/Lincoln is a good example when compared to the GM trucks. Ford, Honda, Kia and others all have these sedans that also look very similar, even more similar than the 1980s Buick Regal and Chevy Monte Carlo!

Exactly my point.

Ford made airbags standard equipment in 1990. Airbags weren't mandated until almost 2000. Let that sink in.

In other words, consumers had already dictated the change and the govt, being the laggards that they are, legislated something that was already common place.

As for smoking, I again agree. Public sentiment towards smoking in restaurants had already turned the corner and very few places allowed for unfettered smoking inside (I’d concede that sketchy bars were different). Once again, the govt simply put the nail in a coffin that consumers had already shut years ago. Smoking bans are created by the states (and originally even on a more local level). If you think the people you elect are doing a poor job, boot them out...Or better yet, run for yourself and change the status quo.

Oh and if restaurants felt like smokers were a big enough portion of their business then they could simply change their charter to private dinner club or sell cigars too and viola, you can smoke there.

I never thought we'd agree this much!!

 

[cardude2000]

I once read an article that stated one Toyota Prius does as much pollution as three F-150s. Lithium mining, lithium disposal, and horrible production processes. A lot of these new vehicles are worse for the environment than an 8.1L Vortec chevy.

Fake news

http://www.thecarconnection.com/tips-article/1010861_prius-versus-hummer-exploding-the-myth

 

[15YUKON]

Fake news

http://www.thecarconnection.com/tips-article/1010861_prius-versus-hummer-exploding-the-myth

Nope. Look into lithium mining and it’s terribel effects in the environment. Then It puts graphite into the air and make people sick when they make the battery. Disposal is another story on it own. It’s funny you go around telling everyone they are wrong when you have very little knowledge on a ny of these subjects. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091060_electric-car-batteries-graphite-and-pollution-in-china

 

[15YUKON]

It’s not YOUR right to tell me what to drive Nor anyone else. Big trucks are produced once and that big V8 will go half a million miles and 20 years. Meanwhile manufacturers pump out multiple econobox cars to meet the lifespan of one truck. What’s the biggest polluter? Manufacturing! What kind of vehicle needs manufacturing energy expended on it over and over again? Economy small engine vehicles because they are built to fail at 100k miles. The lightest polluter is something that lasts a long time without needing energy expended to create a new one. You think someone who buys a new Prius every year is good for the environment!? Absolutely not! They pollute double, triple, quadruple as much as they guy who has his 20 year old big block truck.

 

[cardude2000]

It’s not YOUR right to tell me what to drive. Ill drive whatever huge displacement V8 i please whether it’s killing you or not, you can go I’ve rto Europe then.

Incorrect.

Time to brush up on your rights.

 

[cardude2000]

Nope. Look into lithium mining and it’s terribel effects in the environment. Then It puts graphite into the air and make people sick when they make the battery. Disposal is another story on it own. It’s funny you go around telling everyone they are wrong when you have very little knowledge on a ny of these subjects. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091060_electric-car-batteries-graphite-and-pollution-in-china

Agreed. China needs to crack down on pollution associated with lithium mining.

(Not sure why you ignored the article I linked too. Oh wait. Yes I am)

 

[15YUKON]

Incorrect.

Time to brush up on your rights.

Lol I edited that down to sound a bit nicer. But nope your incorrect. I have the right to drive whatever i please and I do, and you’ll NEVER tell me otherwise. Maybe I’ll go buy a semi that needs a 30 quart oil change.

 

[HiHoeSilver]

Your right to swing your arms ends when they hit my face. You have the right to pollute until it’s proven that at certain levels it kills me.

So keep your face out of the way of swinging arms and wear a mask when you drive off your want. This is some candy a$$ snowflake business, here. Ever growing regulations, regardless of their positive intent, are out of control and doing way more harm than good. Like most things these days, they are solely political and sold with spin.

 

[cardude2000]

Lol I edited that down to sound a bit nicer. But nope your incorrect. I have the right to drive whatever i please and I do, and you’ll NEVER tell me otherwise. Maybe I’ll go buy a semi that needs a 30 quart oil change.

Being intolerant to facts and lacking a basic understanding of how rights work doesn’t change the reality of the situation.

 

[cardude2000]

So keep your face out of the way of swinging arms and wear a mask when you drive off your want. This is some candy a$$ snowflake business, here. Ever growing regulations, regardless of their positive intent, are out of control and doing way more harm than good. Like most things these days, they are solely political and sold with spin.

Completely agree. You make my point. Consumers already dictated all of these things prior to the government making them law.

 

[15YUKON]

Being intolerant to facts and lacking a basic understanding of how rights work doesn’t change the reality of the situation.

Your exactly right because I can buy whatever I want so the fact you have no clue about any of the subjects we are discussing doesn’t change the reality that you don’t have a right to low poullution.

 

[cardude2000]

Your exactly right because I can buy whatever I want so

I thought regulations restricted you from buying whatever you wanted.

I guess I was wrong. My bad.

And it’s you’re. Cmon man.



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