Project Carbon Next Gen 10 Speed Valve Body Kit

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PPE Aluminum Transmission Pan info and pictures. Note this pan is for the SUV's and has the smaller end to go under the exhaust cross over pipe. Some of the trucks use a full depth pan which is a different part number. The SUV pan is PPE part number #128051300. I think this is a newer product, currently only available in unfinished aluminum.

The pan seems to be good quality and weighs in at 12 lbs!!
It has nice machined flat gasket flange with locating holes for the gasket.
Large Magnetic Drain Plug
Interesting internal baffle design that appears to allow fluid to fully drain and not get hung in the baffles
Heat sink fins on bottom area of pan
Holds 2.5 quarts over OE transmission pan
Includes mounting hardware
Also includes a small 1/4"?? threaded side port for an external temp gauge if desired. Might try to figure out a way to set up a fluid level sight glass using this port??

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So today's update.

Sonnax Zip Kit and Torlon Check Balls arrived. Decided to swap out the cheap nylon check balls wit hthe Torlon Check Balls. These are overall more durable than the cheap nylon OE check balls that may start to wear over time.

Project Carbon Valve Body Kit should be shipping today. They were waiting on a spool valve delivery.

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Is the Zip kit for a gen1 or gen2? I believe we have a gen2 on the 21+ SUVs. I only found a zip kit for the gen1.

Also, where did you find the check balls?
 

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Just another indicator that these valve bodies are junk!!

I will confirm once I pull my valve body if the screen are still inside the valve body on the separator plate. GM chose to use STEEL so the screen parts come apart and then are attracted to the electromagnetic solenoids. The strands also get stuck in the spool valves as well. The word from the rebuilders is to do away with the screens and deal with any debris that should not be in the valve body passages!

Valve Body Torn Screen
One note- that video is an Allison 10L1000. Our SUVs and 1/2 ton pickups have a 10L80 from a joint venture between Ford and GM—two totally different transmissions?
 
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Is the Zip kit for a gen1 or gen2? I believe we have a gen2 on the 21+ SUVs. I only found a zip kit for the gen1.

Also, where did you find the check balls?
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You are correct that the only Sonnax Zip Kit I found was for the Gen 1 transmission, we do have Gen 2 transmission in the later models. There were some minor changes between Gen 1 and Gen 2, some in the valve body I believe, some in other areas of the transmission. But there are some parts that are similar. I kind of bought the kit on a whim and figured I would see what it may offer that the NextGen Project Carbon kit did not offer. I did a quick comparison and I think there may be 1 or 2 parts from the Zip Kit that I may consider, but I really need to get the valve body on the bench and inspect the OE parts and the Sonnax parts. Most likely an audible call as I rework the valve body.

For some reason I was unable to locate a Sonnax Gen 2 Zip kit, maybe only AT parts suppliers sell them direct to transmission shops.

As for the Check Balls, I was poking around and found them as an option. They are standard 0.25" check balls. I think I found them on ebay, but I did see them on Amazon for about $9 more as I recall. The check ball kit is Sonnax Part #10000-08. It is a package of 10 1/4" Torlon check balls.
 
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One note- that video is an Allison 10L1000. Our SUVs and 1/2 ton pickups have a 10L80 from a joint venture between Ford and GM—two totally different transmissions?
So from everything I have learned/read/been told the 10L1000 is not really an Allison transmission. GM licensed the Allison name for the 10L1000 in the heavier trucks. The 10L1000 is just the big brother to the 10L80/10L90 and has a manual shift selector valve. I can tell you with pretty good authority that the valve body between the 10L1000 and the 10L80/10L90 are very similar. Most of the parts are interchangeable from the NextGen Project Carbon kit. It looks like the 10L1000 does not have the auxiliary electric fluid pump, the sub valve body assembly and does not have electronic shift selection, it has a manual shift selector valve in the valve body unlike many of the 10L80/10L90 units. The 10L1000 does not have the stupid Auto Stop/Start mess so this is why there are some differences. Otherwise even the valves that NextGen sells are the exactly the same and I believe the larger valve body separator is the same. The NextGen Project Carbon valve body kit for the 10L1000 is actually cheaper than the one for the 10L80/10L90 because it has 2 less valve body separator plates, it only has the single large separator plate.

I even ended up with the Allison 10L1000 instructions with my NextGen Project Carbon kit and I was a bit concerned that they may have shipped the wrong part number, but it turned out that I did get all the correct parts and I was told to follow the 10L1000 for the valve body upgrade. I think I just need to check on the bolt sizes and torque for the sub valve body to make sure I have all the info at hand before I tear into the valve body.
 
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Quick Update.

A bit delayed on diving in due to a few trips close together.

I hope I can get to this in the next 7-10 weather and schedule permitting.

Will provide additional updates once project is completed. Hopefully with a few pictures and an idea of the difficulty level.
 

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I am looking forward to hearing how your install of the kit goes. If I can gain enough confidence this is something I can successfully pull off in my garage, I plan to go for it.
 
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I think anybody that can change their own oil and do a brake job should be able to perform the valve body upgrade. There will be a few tools you may not have that you will need, I will post the tools that are unique. I think without looking into all the details, you will need at least 1 size E Torx socket and you will need a smaller torque wrench (maybe a 1/4" in lbs type, I have a few here on hand) and probably some Vaseline to hold check balls in place while you reassemble the valve body.

I will take some pictures and get an idea of time do perform the job. I am trying to have 4 hours set aside, not sure it will take this long, but EVERYTIME I try to do anything uninterrupted the phone starts, the wife starts, the dogs need to go for a walk, the sky is falling, something always comes up. I want to get this job knocked out ASAP. I have done a lot of transmission work over the years and much on my back under the vehicle so I have no problem tackling this job.

The biggest wildcard is GM's STUPID fluid level check procedure. I am going to work around this STUPID process somehow/someway. GM did not fill the transmission at the factory power braking to get the fluid up to 170F, so there has got to be a common sense way to sort out the fluid fill process. 170F oil and hot exhaust will burn you in no time and is dangerous. VW and most of the German manufacturer choose 100F as the baseline temperature which is easy to get to and is safe to deal with, this is a hot shower temperature.

I will first start with opening the transmission fill plug cold with the engine off. If no fluid runs out, I will figure out a way to make wire dipstick to check the level based on how the truck is on ramps. The I will bring the trans fluid up to 100F and check the level again and 100F will be my reference temperature. All I need to to is match the level under the same temperature and same circumstances.

I will probably also try to verify on a flat surface as well to help others, but I will have the truck up on ramps so I will have more room.

This crazy 176F to check the fluid level is nuts, my trans temps are usually around 145F and have only peaked at around 165F for a short period after cruising on the highway and then getting stuck in traffic at a crawl for 20-30 minutes. Once back cruising, the trans temps usually drop back close to 145F.

I will also measure what fluid I take out as well, the only wildcard is the aftermarket trans pan indicates it holds 2.5 quarts more fluid, so I need to also work with this and confirm as well.

I am hopeful I may be able to get to this next week, BUT my daughter and sons dogs will be here, so I will have 4 dogs to take care of. It is always something!!!

I may just need to start the job at 11 pm and night and stay up and get the job done, less interruptions late at night, but we shall see.

This is the type of job you just need to try and take your time with, be clean and only take apart what you need to take apart. The main issue is if you are replacing the shift valves, you MUST keep the shift solenoids in the proper order/location as there is programming associated with these shift solenoids. So marking the solenoids is a wise idea. Sharpie marker may not be wise as the fluid may cause the Sharpie marks to wipe off.
 

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