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I got the Jones Full Boar 2590 installed. It is 5x11x22" with 3" in and two 3" out.
It is just barely louder than the stock (likely worn out) 7.5x12x24" muffler that is 2.75 in and two 3" out. The biggest loudness difference (after only about 25 miles with it) seems to be at idle. There is absolutely no hint of any drone. It does accelerate more smartly, but initial gas mileage seems to be about 1 mpg less with the new muffler. I will give the computer more time to get used to the muffler before jumping to any conclusions. I really like it. No off idle loss of torque was perceived. This is likely due to the restrictive leftover 5.3 y-pipe.

The muffler shop cut the old OEM muffler out and only had to add a reducing collar to the front. No extra pipe or hangers needed. I expected that the new free flowing muffler would be significantly louder than it is. The 2590 does not get much louder as rpms increase. That is a surprise. I punched it while cruising at 70 on the freeway and was at 105 in less than a quarter mile...more like 3 blocks.

Now for the stock muffler. It turns out that the outlet closest to the driveshaft does appear to be at least somewhat blocked by a plate or baffle. It is certainly different than the other side. It may be more of an inlet than an outlet. The short Y behind the muffler may direct some gases back into the baffled side to be mixed with the other side (closest to the passenger side) before exiting.

At any rate, the MF2590 now flows out to both sides of the rear y. Total cost was $63 shipped for the muffler and $65 with tax for the install...or $128 out the door. Did I mention that there is not even the slightest hint of drone? I almost wish it were a touch more aggressive sounding.

At the suggestion of Jones, I found a youtube video showing the comparable Full Boar and Magnaflow mufflers on a flow bench. The Magnaflow flowed about 474 cfm and the comparable Jones was almost 100 cfm higher at 566 cfm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxPIt-eoT3w
 
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My o4 Tahoe did not come from the factory with a resonator, just one muffler.
 

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Honestly, that year sees good performance gains just from a Y pipe swap. That is where the issue is on those exhausts.

Where can I get a good flowing Y-pipe for my '03 yukon?
 

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Would be easier to take y pipe off and just do a single out? That's what my shop was gonna do
 

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Magnaflow off road y would be my recommendation too. I ran that on my 04.

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Sounds like the magnaflow Y-pipe and that Jones muffler that Jough is using would open things up a bit. I'm getting a bit older and quiet is OK with me.

I'm wondering if there's any other reasonably priced mods I could combine with that (along with a BB tune) to make around 50HP or if I'm gonna be looking at camshaft, intake swap, etc...?

Just want to pep up my daily driver a bit but keep it reliable and economical if I keep my foot out of it.

Any help is appreciated! I haven't done anything to increase performance since the carburetor days, so I'm way out of my element here!

Thanks!
 
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My freeway cruising mpg (67mph with cruise control on) took a 1.0 to 1.5 mpg decline right after the new muffler install.
Today, after about 300 miles on the new muffler, mpg is still down about 1 mpg. in town is same or slightly better. I am expecting a 1-2 mpg increase at freeway cruising speed with the freer flowing muffler. Are my expectations unreasonable?

The sound is growing on me. I could still take granny to church without raising any eyebrows as long as I kept my foot out of it.
With the stock muffler, during acceleration all I could hear was the Airaid Jr. This Jones 2590 is just loud enough to cover the intake noise.
 
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I like the sound of that. (No pun intended...maybe) :)

Jenna, what do you think about running the magnaflow Y-pipe and that Jones muffler, but not replacing the stock exhaust manifolds with headers? How much difference do the LT's really make over the stock manifolds?

Just thinking these exhaust mods and a mild cam along with your tune might make a nice difference without having to mess with headers.

Also, are there some good options for a full exhaust system out there? LT's all the way back replaced? In the jeep world, I usually have a good local shop fab up my exhaust, but you can't gain much in performance from a I-6 with exhaust mods. I'd rather have a nice pre-made system with mandrel bends, since none of the muffler shops around here have a mandrel bender.

My Yukon is 4WD too, and it appears that not all headers/exhaust systems fit real well.

It's an '03 Yukon with the L59 5.3....

Thanks everyone for any info!
 
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I don't know much about the Jones muffler. Are they chambered? I typically stay away from chambered mufflers (ie. Flowmaster) as they tend to hurt HP and MPGs.

LTs and the Magnaflow Y pipe would definitely net you some gains. If you are looking to save some pennies, I would pass on the muffler, and just go with LTs and Y pipe. If you are still looking for some new accoustics, then pull the trigger on a new muffler (I would recommend a Magnaflow for best bang for your buck).
 

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Looks like the Jones mufflers are not chambered. Jough's posts led me to look at them. Outflowed the MF muffler by appx 100cfm.

I'm confused by all the info I'm seeing on the Y-Pipes too. Don't know whether to go with a cat-less Y or with that magnaflow version and which bolts up to headers or stock exhaust or both.

Jenna, I see on your sight that BB is coming to Ft. Worth in Sept/October?
Any date set yet?
 
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The Jones muffler is a Magnaflow copy, so it is not chambered. It has a perforated straight thru tube.
 

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Looks like the Jones mufflers are not chambered. Jough's posts led me to look at them. Outflowed the MF muffler by appx 100cfm.

I'm confused by all the info I'm seeing on the Y-Pipes too. Don't know whether to go with a cat-less Y or with that magnaflow version and which bolts up to headers or stock exhaust or both.

Jenna, I see on your sight that BB is coming to Ft. Worth in Sept/October?
Any date set yet?

I believe the guys are locking in the dates this week.
 

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I believe the guys are locking in the dates this week.

Very cool. I hope it is not the weekend of the 10th.

I would come down for this event...:)

P.S. Any plans to come to the Wichita or KC areas in Kansas/MO?
 

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