Not sure this is going to work out (considering selling after 3 weeks)

[clogan2]

I completely agree with OP. I’ve got an ‘03 2500HD with 300k miles, and I can do a LOT of resto-mod work to it for a lot less than the $70grand it would take to replace it...and I just might like it better anyhow. No nannies, no tracking, no ding-****-whistle-bell-touch screen-self navigation-steering correction-lane change alerting-down hill braking-automatic headlight dimming crap.

 

[wendal]

I guess, to each his own... I bought my 21 Yukon Denali after driving my 07 Yukon SLT for 13 years. The Magnetic Ride Control alone was worth what I paid... This vehicle rides better than any other vehicle I've ever owned, cars included... I definitely have turned off most of the nag bells and auto assist features, but there's no way I'd go back to my 07, bumpy ride, solid back end, low tech beast. And I loved that truck. I love this one more... The 10 speed transmission does have some quirks. My issue there is the shift from first to second gear during acceleration, where it seems to die during that shift, unless I step down hard... I also don't like all the sequestering of the exhaust, with the flaps before and after the muffler, but I've already taken care of that. And for those talking about getting a tuner, the 21 and ups are LOCKED DOWN. I've been waiting / hoping for a Pulsar LT for it, but it doesn't look like one is coming. Last but certainly not least, having the 6.2 engine ties you to premium gas, which is because of the Russia situation over $4 / gal.

But, even with all the things I don't like about my 21, THERE'S NO WAY I'D GO BACK. The world moves forward. Time marches on. I am glad I got the 21 and not the 22, so I'm not tied to Google, but I have an android phone anyway, so it doesn't much matter... Yes, I have location services turned off, but I am aware that they still are "on".

I understand where you're coming from, not liking all the tech, but some tech is REALLY GOOD...

 

[ljn21]

This can be programmed out if you want. Need to talk to a tuner about it.

No tuning option for 21+ yet

 

[ljn21]

Get a programmer for it and it will change how the transmission shifts. I used a Diablo with e Lew Tune but I know a sponsor hear Black Bear also offers them.

No programmers or tuning available yet for a 21+

 

[Stbentoak]

I guess, to each his own... I bought my 21 Yukon Denali after driving my 07 Yukon SLT for 13 years. The Magnetic Ride Control alone was worth what I paid... This vehicle rides better than any other vehicle I've ever owned, cars included... I definitely have turned off most of the nag bells and auto assist features, but there's no way I'd go back to my 07, bumpy ride, solid back end, low tech beast. And I loved that truck. I love this one more... The 10 speed transmission does have some quirks. My issue there is the shift from first to second gear during acceleration, where it seems to die during that shift, unless I step down hard... I also don't like all the sequestering of the exhaust, with the flaps before and after the muffler, but I've already taken care of that. And for those talking about getting a tuner, the 21 and ups are LOCKED DOWN. I've been waiting / hoping for a Pulsar LT for it, but it doesn't look like one is coming. Last but certainly not least, having the 6.2 engine ties you to premium gas, which is because of the Russia situation over $4 / gal.

But, even with all the things I don't like about my 21, THERE'S NO WAY I'D GO BACK. The world moves forward. Time marches on. I am glad I got the 21 and not the 22, so I'm not tied to Google, but I have an android phone anyway, so it doesn't much matter... Yes, I have location services turned off, but I am aware that they still are "on".

I understand where you're coming from, not liking all the tech, but some tech is REALLY GOOD...

I agree.. I still own a vehicle from 2004 and while it is a dependable beast, It is an Archaic beast. No Bluetooth, no rear camera, no remote start, No screen or nav of any sort. CD player, two levers and a dial for the whole HVAC system. I don't like all nannies either but I will admit as I get older.. safety devices and warnings have saved my noodle a few times.
All in all. I love my 21 with all its features and comfort. I only keep vehicles about 5-6 years, as about each time I turn them over, there are some new really solid advances that are really worth having.... I don't care if they "Track" me, my life is not that interesting, they won't learn much....

 

[olyelr]

I guess, to each his own... I bought my 21 Yukon Denali after driving my 07 Yukon SLT for 13 years. The Magnetic Ride Control alone was worth what I paid... This vehicle rides better than any other vehicle I've ever owned, cars included... I definitely have turned off most of the nag bells and auto assist features, but there's no way I'd go back to my 07, bumpy ride, solid back end, low tech beast. And I loved that truck. I love this one more... The 10 speed transmission does have some quirks. My issue there is the shift from first to second gear during acceleration, where it seems to die during that shift, unless I step down hard... I also don't like all the sequestering of the exhaust, with the flaps before and after the muffler, but I've already taken care of that. And for those talking about getting a tuner, the 21 and ups are LOCKED DOWN. I've been waiting / hoping for a Pulsar LT for it, but it doesn't look like one is coming. Last but certainly not least, having the 6.2 engine ties you to premium gas, which is because of the Russia situation over $4 / gal.

But, even with all the things I don't like about my 21, THERE'S NO WAY I'D GO BACK. The world moves forward. Time marches on. I am glad I got the 21 and not the 22, so I'm not tied to Google, but I have an android phone anyway, so it doesn't much matter... Yes, I have location services turned off, but I am aware that they still are "on".

I understand where you're coming from, not liking all the tech, but some tech is REALLY GOOD...

Premium fuel for the 6.2 is recommended, but not required. My wife put 130k miles on her last denali with regular gas…ran great, got great fuel economy, never heard one single spark knock….no issues at all. Same regular ol gas has been going in her ‘22 high country as well.

 

[easymoney]

I have had my 2022 suburban rst 6.2 for 3 weeks and 1400 miles It’s very nice and I want to like this truck but then I drove my ‘98 today for the first time since I got it and now I have a problem.

I can’t really deal with the way the computer and the transmission interface, primarily. When I floor it for a second and take my foot off the gas, it holds at 4 then 3k rpm for what feels like 5 seconds plus. I don’t need 10 gears and a computer playing with them. And all of the chimes. Or the auto stop or collision warning, automatic e brake etc. all of the things I was afraid I could not get used to, I can’t seem to get used to.

I think the computers are too much for me and I want a clean 1999 suburban with 100k miles or less and my cash back. If you want to buy it PM me I am considering my options. It’s gray the color is great.

How about getting a programmer and changing the way it shifts? I have a 04 and hated it for a while the programmer made a big difference in changing the shift points. Your tranny is setup for eco not fun. You could change that with a programmer. No idea abouut something that new but on an 04 the tow/haul is another set of presets. You can change to whatever makes you happy. So could have a normal shifts and economy when in normal drive but something more aggressive/funwhen you push the towhaul button

 

[wendal]

How about getting a programmer and changing the way it shifts? I have a 04 and hated it for a while the programmer made a big difference in changing the shift points. Your tranny is setup for eco not fun. You could change that with a programmer. No idea abouut something that new but on an 04 the tow/haul is another set of presets. You can change to whatever makes you happy. So could have a normal shifts and economy when in normal drive but something more aggressive/funwhen you push the towhaul button

As stated earlier, the 21's are locked down. No programmers available...

 

[oldretiredafguy]

This is why I'm in the process of restoring my '91 4wd Suburban to be used as a daily driver. Found it out in Calif last year for $2200. Another 3K for a repaint, 1K for wheels/tires, 1200 for interior refurb. No computers, no onstar tracking, no auto stop. Besides being better looking than any of the new crap.

 

[R Black]

I don't have a '21, I have a '20 but I felt I could shed some light on this given it seems like other than losing a solid truck rear diff, column shift, ign switch in column and the sheet metal and entire body is completely different I though they might be similar ... heh heh ...

Prior to owning this 2020 I had no car newer than my 96 Tahoe. Including a '74 (cold dead hands) Cutlass.

It takes A LOT of getting used to. Takes quite awhile but there are some features you may learn to like.

I have the six speed. I noticed it seems almost as if the fastest acceleration is accomplished at less than full throttle from say.... a 15 to 30 mph running start.

Arguments against selling;
You'll take a huge hit. Money-wise.
(Though at 1400 it's hardly broken in so that's good, but I hope you didn't floor it until you had at least 800 on it. I've floored mine maybe four times in 14,000 mi.)

Gas mileage will go back down to around 16mpg overland vs 23+.


Arguments for selling - Getting old GMT400;
Your visibility and awareness of other vehicles will increase 50%
(If the '22 is anything like the '15 - '20 gen. visibility is APPALLINGLY BAD, My front 'A' Pillars are thicker than Hillary's thighs.)

You'll shed about 1100 lbs in curb weight
Your around town gas mileage may actually increase with a good used GMT400

Your piece of mind may increase on general 'drop it in the mud and it still fires' principles.

You'll feel more in command of a traditional vehicle and more confident you could thrash it if needed.

Your interior load volume will go back up about 25 - 30%.

Holy! ... I guess I just laid down a good argument to sell.

I'm stickin' with my 2020 for now ... going to change fluids on an severely shortend interval, and get used to gymnastics of contorting my neck and swiveling my torso while checking my surroundings. The fact it has something like a 9.5" rear, an actual 2 speed TC, a shift lever, etc. is enough old school to keep me in it's drivers seat especially compared to the condition of what I had.

Wish you luck if you intend to sell, OR if you intend to keep it.

 

[91RS]

My 2010 Tahoe getts better mpg's than the new ones. 21 vs 19 on the Hwy. I've seen 22.5 mpg if I keep it at 70.

70mph? Who drives that slow on the highway? Sammy Hagar would not approve.

 

[91RS]

I guess, to each his own... I bought my 21 Yukon Denali after driving my 07 Yukon SLT for 13 years. The Magnetic Ride Control alone was worth what I paid... This vehicle rides better than any other vehicle I've ever owned, cars included... I definitely have turned off most of the nag bells and auto assist features, but there's no way I'd go back to my 07, bumpy ride, solid back end, low tech beast. And I loved that truck. I love this one more... The 10 speed transmission does have some quirks. My issue there is the shift from first to second gear during acceleration, where it seems to die during that shift, unless I step down hard... I also don't like all the sequestering of the exhaust, with the flaps before and after the muffler, but I've already taken care of that. And for those talking about getting a tuner, the 21 and ups are LOCKED DOWN. I've been waiting / hoping for a Pulsar LT for it, but it doesn't look like one is coming. Last but certainly not least, having the 6.2 engine ties you to premium gas, which is because of the Russia situation over $4 / gal.

But, even with all the things I don't like about my 21, THERE'S NO WAY I'D GO BACK. The world moves forward. Time marches on. I am glad I got the 21 and not the 22, so I'm not tied to Google, but I have an android phone anyway, so it doesn't much matter... Yes, I have location services turned off, but I am aware that they still are "on".

I understand where you're coming from, not liking all the tech, but some tech is REALLY GOOD...

Here's the question I always think about when I see posts like this (and I'm not "picking" on you, I just want to ask this question). How worn out was the 2007? I feel like since most people do the bare minimum for maintenance and repairs that how can it not feel great when they trade a 10+ year old vehicle with worn out suspension for a brand new one? I don't care if you think it wasn't worn out, it was absolutely worn out if the suspension was original or even mostly original and 10+ years old. Rubber bushings get weak, springs get weak, shocks get weak. I have replaced literally the entire suspension on my 2008 and 2013 (all 8 control arms, springs, all 4 shocks, panhard bar, Michelin 22"s). I've been driving the K2 trucks since they came out I can without a doubt say my 2008 rides and drive better and so far the T1 SUV's with or without air are not impressing me for the price they cost although they do ride MUCH better than the K2 trucks.

Here's the thing about tech. Tech moves FAST and, in a vehicle where none of it is upgradeable, when that tech is outdated there's nothing you can do with it I honestly think that is worse than not having it at all. The crappy MyLink radio in my 2016 SS sedan literally never worked right with my iPhone because it was already dated when I bought the car (the SS came out in 2014 and the SS and Equinox/Terrain were last vehicles to still use that radio and I think 2017 was the last year of it). I’m not against new technology because some of it is good but when they just keep coming up with gimmicky crap or make stuff flat out not work a couple years after you buy it to keep you spending money, I have a big problem with that.

Either way, I'm glad so many on here seem to be able to afford a new car every few years and neither of these things are an issue for them so I'm glad you're happy with your purchase. The most money I have ever spent on a car was $56k for a 2 year old Corvette and I still regret how much that cost me to this day and I traded that car for the SS 5 years ago. I cannot fathom spending $80k on a GM SUV every 3-5 years.

 

[Polo08816]

Here's the question I always think about when I see posts like this (and I'm not "picking" on you, I just want to ask this question). How worn out was the 2007? I feel like since most people do the bare minimum for maintenance and repairs that how can it not feel great when they trade a 10+ year old vehicle with worn out suspension for a brand new one? I don't care if you think it wasn't worn out, it was absolutely worn out if the suspension was original or even mostly original and 10+ years old. Rubber bushings get weak, springs get weak, shocks get weak. I have replaced literally the entire suspension on my 2008 and 2013 (all 8 control arms, springs, all 4 shocks, panhard bar, Michelin 22"s). I've been driving the K2 trucks since they came out I can without a doubt say my 2008 rides and drive better and so far the T1 SUV's with or without air are not impressing me for the price they cost although they do ride MUCH better than the K2 trucks.

Here's the thing about tech. Tech moves FAST and, in a vehicle where none of it is upgradeable, when that tech is outdated there's nothing you can do with it I honestly think that is worse than not having it at all. The crappy MyLink radio in my 2016 SS sedan literally never worked right with my iPhone because it was already dated when I bought the car (the SS came out in 2014 and the SS and Equinox/Terrain were last vehicles to still use that radio and I think 2017 was the last year of it). I’m not against new technology because some of it is good but when they just keep coming up with gimmicky crap or make stuff flat out not work a couple years after you buy it to keep you spending money, I have a big problem with that.

Either way, I'm glad so many on here seem to be able to afford a new car every few years and neither of these things are an issue for them so I'm glad you're happy with your purchase. The most money I have ever spent on a car was $56k for a 2 year old Corvette and I still regret how much that cost me to this day and I traded that car for the SS 5 years ago. I cannot fathom spending $80k on a GM SUV every 3-5 years.

Most people buy these vehicles on credit. There are very few families that can actually afford a new $80k SUV in cash every 3-5 years. The gravy train is about to end with the way the economy and interest rates are going.

But I agree with you on why a 10+ year old vehicle may not feel "great" compared to a new car. I have a 2014 335i with 150,000 miles on it and I track that car a lot so I am pretty meticulous about replacing worn suspension parts. In that time, I've overhauled the suspension 1-2 times as well as the brake system. There's been a lot of pre-emptive maintenance done and I've done nearly all the work myself. It still feels like new. The downside is the tech gets old and there's no easy way to retrofit it. So I usually wait and time my purchases right after an interior mid cycle refresh while the chassis and powertrain are relatively unchanged.

 

[wendal]

Here's the question I always think about when I see posts like this (and I'm not "picking" on you, I just want to ask this question). How worn out was the 2007? I feel like since most people do the bare minimum for maintenance and repairs that how can it not feel great when they trade a 10+ year old vehicle with worn out suspension for a brand new one? I don't care if you think it wasn't worn out, it was absolutely worn out if the suspension was original or even mostly original and 10+ years old. Rubber bushings get weak, springs get weak, shocks get weak. I have replaced literally the entire suspension on my 2008 and 2013 (all 8 control arms, springs, all 4 shocks, panhard bar, Michelin 22"s). I've been driving the K2 trucks since they came out I can without a doubt say my 2008 rides and drive better and so far the T1 SUV's with or without air are not impressing me for the price they cost although they do ride MUCH better than the K2 trucks.

Here's the thing about tech. Tech moves FAST and, in a vehicle where none of it is upgradeable, when that tech is outdated there's nothing you can do with it I honestly think that is worse than not having it at all. The crappy MyLink radio in my 2016 SS sedan literally never worked right with my iPhone because it was already dated when I bought the car (the SS came out in 2014 and the SS and Equinox/Terrain were last vehicles to still use that radio and I think 2017 was the last year of it). I’m not against new technology because some of it is good but when they just keep coming up with gimmicky crap or make stuff flat out not work a couple years after you buy it to keep you spending money, I have a big problem with that.

Either way, I'm glad so many on here seem to be able to afford a new car every few years and neither of these things are an issue for them so I'm glad you're happy with your purchase. The most money I have ever spent on a car was $56k for a 2 year old Corvette and I still regret how much that cost me to this day and I traded that car for the SS 5 years ago. I cannot fathom spending $80k on a GM SUV every 3-5 years.

Well, I can tell you FOR CERTAIN that it was NOT worn out. Take a look at the second build thread in my signature. That truck got babied. It was 13 years old with 150,000 miles. I've always had a second car. The front end suspension had been done TWICE. I did not make that post ignorantly... I don't disagree with you that some tech becomes outdated, or is not necessary / overkill. But you can't tell me that you don't think that the auto brake feature has not saved a pedestrian or 2's life, or kept several distracted drivers from rear ending the car in front of them. Those lives saved / wrecks avoided are definitely JUSTIFICATION for adding / developing new tech. The auto stop / start functionality saves gas. That's a FACT. Is it enough to justify it? That's a matter of opinion. But you cannot argue that it saves gas. Seatbelts save lives. FACT. It is a LAW that they must be worn. You may or may not agree with the LAW, but you cannot argue that seatbelts SAVE LIVES. So a nagging warning bell to tell you to put on your seatbelt is there to SAVE YOUR LIFE. Is that justification enough for the nag? I would say so.

As far as the advances / tech in the media / infotainment? Sure, it's a progression, and some of it is gimmicky, buggy, or useless. But 15 years ago, I had to wear an ear piece to talk on the phone hands free in my car. In my 2007, I had to swap out the head unit to add blutooth and talk hands free through the added mic and stereo speakers. Was that an improvement over the ear piece? ABSOLUTELY. Now, in my 21, it comes equipped with that, PLUS Android auto, from the factory. is that an improvement? HELL YES.

I grew up with hand crank windows in our cars. power windows did not exist, and when they were invented, they were a luxury. MY SON HAS NEVER SEEN / BEEN IN A CAR WITH HAND CRANK WINDOWS.

Again, I understand what you are saying. We live in a disposable society. Things don't last as long as they did when we were growing up, and some of the innovations are straight TRASH. But, as I stated in the original post, some of the tech is REALLY GOOD, REALLY BENEFICIAL. You will ALWAYS have to take the good with the bad. That is LIFE.

 

[THarber]

Pulsar has a unit out now as does HP Tuners.

 

[wendal]

Pulsar has a unit out now as does HP Tuners.

Do you have links? I just went to HP Tuners website, and they list to 2020, NOT 21. Same for Pulsar...

 

[rjdjbd]

“I think the computers are too much for me and I want a clean 1999 suburban with 100k miles or less and my cash back. If you want to buy it PM me I am considering my options. It’s gray the color is great.”

Since you’ve been looking at Suburbans around my vintage, thought I’d ask what kind of pricing you think a 2003 might go for. I purchased it new, an LS four-wheel, 5.3L non-flex with about 100k miles. A California vehicle, dual AC, am/fm multi-disc CD, rear DVD, bucket seats in front with two bench seats for the rear. Has never needed body collision work. White with gray interior. Clean title / passes CA smog.

 

[oldretiredafguy]

"Since you’ve been looking at Suburbans around my vintage, thought I’d ask what kind of pricing you think a 2003 might go for. I purchased it new, an LS four-wheel, 5.3L non-flex with about 100k miles. A California vehicle, dual AC, AM/FM multi-disc CD, rear DVD, bucket seats in front with two bench seats for the rear. Has never needed body collision work. White with gray interior. Clean title / passes CA smog."

IMHO, I'd keep it. With the chip shortages we are currently plagued with, your vehicle would be irreplaceable. Ask me how I know.