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M26 Pershing

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I have owned GM cars and trucks for 39 years. My 2015i Denali XL turned 2 today. I am now looking to trade (20,136 miles). The truck is now developing some issues, transmission clunck,exhaust squeak, screen flicker,window trim falling off,and the god awful Shitstone tires need replacing due to noise also many recalls, etc. I am concerned that in a year or two it my self destruct. My truck does not have the delaminating roof or pressure issue. The old 2002 Denali in my fleet, I still drive and has been rock solid! The local dealer is great, GM customer care is terrible as is the New England GM rep.
Now I have been shopping. The Mercedes GL is very nice and well screwed together and the Audi Q7 is just amazing! Any thoughts?
 

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Only you know the issues you've faced so far and how the vehicle is holding up to your standards so far. If you think it will be more trouble then it's worth in another couple of years, go for it and get a new truck. As to which one to get, that will be a personal decision as well depending upon your towing needs, seating needs, technology needs, etc. Between the Merc and Audi currently though, I'd go with the Q7. If you can wait and have any sort of interest (and the budget) I believe they plan on bringing the SQ7 to the states with a diesel engine, which should be a torque beast.
 

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What do you plan to do with them? The Q7 is a beaut. Your XL is a trailering beast. The Merc will have pricey repairs down the road.
 

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I just took delivery of a 2017 Audi Q7 Premium Plus for my boss. It will live in South Florida so the packages that they chose were appropriate to the weather here. Graphite Grey Metallic with Black Leather and High-gloss Black/Terra Brown Walnut Wood inlays. Ventilated seats and RES prep (check the forum on this option as the connectivity and ease of play has been an grumbling issue on the forums.

The technology is amazing and the Germans left not much to wish for. This model is hard to keep in inventory and other dealers were unwilling to trade as it is so popular. The turbo is nimble and running 20s grips the road very tight. Like a spaceship in the front seat. 2nd row decent for room unless you are getting well over the 6 foot range. 3rd row is for kids only or leave those seats down.

Coming down from a Suburban/Tahoe, even an LTZ, the comparison isn't even there. But I still love my NNBS and it has all the room in the world for our current lifestyle with the kids. Just wanted to share that little bit from my research on the Q7, taking delivery and not really having any complaints from the boss since they have had it over the last 2 months.
 

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I have several clients with 2015 Q7s and they are ok. Not super crazy about them. haven't been in the new ones yet but I'm not a fan looks wise. As far as the benz, I work part time at a coffee shop owned by long time clients of my detailing business. She just picked up a CPO 2014 gl450 and it's super nice. Got to drive it last week and it's super comfy. The infotainment tech leaves something to be desired. But other than that it's a super nice ride. Rides nice, and the interior is super comfy. I like it alot. Looks wise, it beats the Q7 by far.
 
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I never cared for the previous model Q7, but was in a 17 recently and it is much nicer in/out compared to the previous model.

We are in the same position with our 15 XL and due to space needs with 4kids, I'm holding out and will seriously consider the 18 Expedition.
 
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Hi All,
I have owned GM cars and trucks for 39 years. My 2015i Denali XL turned 2 today. I am now looking to trade (20,136 miles). The truck is now developing some issues, transmission clunck,exhaust squeak, screen flicker,window trim falling off,and the god awful Shitstone tires need replacing due to noise also many recalls, etc. I am concerned that in a year or two it my self destruct. My truck does not have the delaminating roof or pressure issue. The old 2002 Denali in my fleet, I still drive and has been rock solid! The local dealer is great, GM customer care is terrible as is the New England GM rep.
Now I have been shopping. The Mercedes GL is very nice and well screwed together and the Audi Q7 is just amazing! Any thoughts?

Nothing will ever compare to your 2002 Denali. I got the same one and it was one of the best built vehicles in my opinion. I've got the 2016 Denali and there's no comparison which is more fun to drive. For sure the newer one is faster, quieter, and got all the tech gadgets but it doesn't matter to me.
 

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For what it's worth, Audi Q7 is rated one of the best large/luxury SUVs by Consumer Reports.
 

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I am having the same issues as you.
I replaced the tires at 20k miles, had the screen flickering fixed with a new cable and update, still have the transmission clunking, no problem with the window trim, and fixed the exhuast squeak by opening the flapper.
Fortunately I am in a lease until Sept. '18. So as I told the dealership last oil change, my issues are going to become their issues next year.
The problem I am having is what to replace this with next year. The Audi and Mercedes are not big enough for me. To go from a Yukon XL to either of them is going with half the vehicle. I know they are more refined, but they just aren't a full sized SUV imo.
The GLS550 isn't too bad power-wise. But $100K to start, now we are in a whole different ballpark.
And it still only has a max 7500 towing.

Personally I see myself looking towards a 2500 Sierra Denali with the Duramax next. They are solid as a rock, offer the Denali amenities, and have tremendous resale value even 10 years later. And 910 ft lbs of towing torque...nice.
 
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I am having the same issues as you.
I replaced the tires at 20k miles, had the screen flickering fixed with a new cable and update, still have the transmission clunking, no problem with the window trim, and fixed the exhuast squeak by opening the flapper.
Fortunately I am in a lease until Sept. '18. So as I told the dealership last oil change, my issues are going to become their issues next year.
The problem I am having is what to replace this with next year. The Audi and Mercedes are not big enough for me. To go from a Yukon XL to either of them is going with half the vehicle. I know they are more refined, but they just aren't a full sized SUV imo.
The GLS550 isn't too bad power-wise. But $100K to start, now we are in a whole different ballpark.
And it still only has a max 7500 towing.

Personally I see myself looking towards a 2500 Sierra Denali with the Duramax next. They are solid as a rock, offer the Denali amenities, and have tremendous resale value even 10 years later. And 910 ft lbs of towing torque...nice.

The 2500 diesels are nice. I have one now, although not a GM. My work needs have changed since buying it and my family is growing so a crew cab truck with eventually two kids/car seats in the back isn't very practical to do much with. So, I'm going the opposite direction I guess. As fun as the diesels are to drive, thanks to the EPA and overreaching government, they are more expensive than ever to maintain. And not without issues-I do business with a company that has three 2016 GM LTZ crew cabs with the duramax. All three have been in the shop before 30k with leaking oil pan gaskets and steering gear/linkage issues.

There isn't anything I know of in a suv that competes with the passenger and cargo room of a suburban/Yukon XL......puts those of you trying to move out of a problem vehicle in a tough spot without giving up something.
 

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With the current model issues, The 2018 expedition will do very well if it's a solid truck. Should be available to order in a few mos.

We are in the same position and as of right now we are waiting to drive one before ordering and trading in our 15 XL.

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This is the dilemma for a lot of full size SUV owners right now. The new Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon's are not living up to the historical reliability of the platform and the $70K plus price of entry for a nicely equipped 4WD model is really tough to swallow. All of the recent issues have softened the market a bit - at least here because I was starting to see some really deep discounts but that just tells me the marketplace is beginning to catch on.

I did not even look at an Expedition right now for two reasons. I needed to trade my Yukon XL now and would never buy any new vehicle that is just about to be replaced and second, my history with Ford and owning an Expedition prior to a string of Yukons was abysmal. The new Expedition will attract some buyers that are unhappy with GM right now but that brand new vehicle has a lot to prove before I would ever plunk my money down on the table. I keep my vehicles for 5 years so never lease and need something I know will at least make it trouble free and spend more time in my garage then at the dealer for 5 years and 100K miles.

Audi and Mercedes are great minivan people and grocery mover replacements but they are definitely not towing machines. If I am spending $70K plus on an SUV it has to do more than just move people and the occasional load of goods from Cosco. If not a car with AWD is a much better choice, at least for me anyway. A pickup was definitely on my list as a possible replacement but the problem is I hate loading luggage and even groceries in the bed of a truck. Sure there are systems you can install or use to help keep crap from sliding around back there but once you have a Burb or XL Yukon a pickup truck's bed is no replacement even if you find a good way to keep it perfectly dry.

Right now its not an easy choice because everything else has a compromise compared to the oldest of big utes. GM needs to get their act together and get this platform back on top in the dependability and longevity category fast. Until then I will be driving a competitor that can still tow, has a decent history of reliability and should get me through the next 5yrs/100K. Unfortunately I am giving up a couple of things that I really liked about my 11' Yukon XL.
 
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Personally I see myself looking towards a 2500 Sierra Denali with the Duramax next. They are solid as a rock, offer the Denali amenities, and have tremendous resale value even 10 years later. And 910 ft lbs of towing torque...nice.

I'd be wary of buying a diesel for the resale value. Diesel trucks, and pickups in general, are on a huge bubble right now. Everybody wants a truck. In the past it has been jeeps, european cars, asian cars, muscle cars, and now it's trucks. Eventually all these kids are going to grow out of rolling coal and buy something else. (pimped out minivans?) Prices will drop on used trucks again, and I don't see this trend lasting too much longer. Trucks will never go out of style, but the huge mass of suburban kids asking for a diesel truck for their 16th birthday is going to move on.

It's like it's 2006 and looking at buying an ej civic. If you love it, and want one, and are going to keep it, go ahead. If you think in three years you're going to sell it for 90 percent of what you paid for it, tread carefully.

With the current model issues, The 2018 expedition will do very well if it's a solid truck. Should be available to order in a few mos.

We are in the same position and as of right now we are waiting to drive one before ordering and trading in our 15 XL.

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Do not want a irs SUV. At all. If ford brought back the excursion I'd probably want one (especially if it came with a 6.7) but the expedition is just a giant hatchback.

This is the dilemma for a lot of full size SUV owners right now. The new Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon's are not living up to the historical reliability of the platform and the $70K plus price of entry for a nicely equipped 4WD model is really tough to swallow. All of the recent issues have softened the market a bit - at least here because I was starting to see some really deep discounts but that just tells me the marketplace is beginning to catch on.

I did not even look at an Expedition right now for two reasons. I needed to trade my Yukon XL now and would never buy any new vehicle that is just about to be replaced and second, my history with Ford and owning an Expedition prior to a string of Yukons was abysmal. The new Expedition will attract some buyers that are unhappy with GM right now but that brand new vehicle has a lot to prove before I would ever plunk my money down on the table. I keep my vehicles for 5 years so never lease and need something I know will at least make it trouble free and spend more time in my garage then at the dealer for 5 years and 100K miles.

Audi and Mercedes are great minivan people and grocery mover replacements but they are definitely not towing machines. If I am spending $70K plus on an SUV it has to do more than just move people and the occasional load of goods from Cosco. If not a car with AWD is a much better choice, at least for me anyway. A pickup was definitely on my list as a possible replacement but the problem is I hate loading luggage and even groceries in the bed of a truck. Sure there are systems you can install or use to help keep crap from sliding around back there but once you have a Burb or XL Yukon a pickup truck's bed is no replacement even if you find a good way to keep it perfectly dry.

Right now its not an easy choice because everything else has a compromise compared to the oldest of big utes. GM needs to get their act together and get this platform back on top in the dependability and longevity category fast. Until then I will be driving a competitor that can still tow, has a decent history of reliability and should get me through the next 5yrs/100K. Unfortunately I am giving up a couple of things that I really liked about my 11' Yukon XL.

My father just went through this dilemma. The newest vehicles, especially from GM, are not worth the asking price. He ultimately settled on an older 3/4 ton truck for his daily driver. The 2015i yukon just sits now, nice and clean in the garage, waiting for the miles to catch up to it's age. It's two years old with 50k and it's falling apart. It's had two new head units, two GPS units, new antennas, new window trim, new dif seals, and the transmission bucks the truck like a rodeo horse. Instead of 60, 70, 80, 90, even 100 thousand dollars for a new truck or SUV, he decided to spend less than half that for a truck that had already taken the initial depreciation hit, and is using some of the money that would have gone toward the new truck to tune, bulletproof, lift, and customize the older truck. In the end he'll have a low miles truck perfectly suited to his needs and likes, with a new stance, custom touches, and accessories, and will still have a considerable price lead over a new vehicle. In actuality it will probably be more reliable than the new truck, unfortunately.
 

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I can see what you are saying. As I stated I still have a year left on my lease. So I'm not in the same situation as the OP.
However, mentioning this thread to my wife she has different plans. And I can actually agree with them. lol
Buy a lower mileage, used F250 or Chevy 2500 for $30K for towing the boat, atv's, snowplow, etc.
Then lease a nice car for both of us to drive. She currently has a babied '15 Wrangler JKU...never going to sell.
Immediately upon this idea of hers I rushed to the Cadillac page and started looking at leasing a ATS-V sedan. :chewie:
 

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I can see what you are saying. As I stated I still have a year left on my lease. So I'm not in the same situation as the OP.
However, mentioning this thread to my wife she has different plans. And I can actually agree with them. lol
Buy a lower mileage, used F250 or Chevy 2500 for $30K for towing the boat, atv's, snowplow, etc.
Then lease a nice car for both of us to drive. She currently has a babied '15 Wrangler JKU...never going to sell.
Immediately upon this idea of hers I rushed to the Cadillac page and started looking at leasing a ATS-V sedan. :chewie:

That's what my dad did. He got a 2014 Lariat f250 (diesel) to work and tow with, got all the goodies, and will look to get some kind of toy in a couple years if he decides to sell his SUV.

A note with the ATS-V: while at the auto show last winter, I tried to get in an ATS V. Sick looking, great car. The seat would not go far enough back or low enough for me to get into. I am "only" 6'4"
 

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Is the new Ford expedition going to have a V8 instead of that stupid six cylinder ?
Nope. I had a 5.4 Expy before the Denali.
Ok engine. Solid vehicle.
Can't do a turbo 6 cylinder full sized SUV especially when Toyota and Nissan are both offering V8's.
 
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I have been test driving several large SUVs, and I must say that the new Q7 is amazing. I can not purchase a Ford with Ecoboost. However, after all that we have decided to order a 7 series and dump the Denali. Hear that GM! I have my old Denali and a business truck along with other cars for hauling people and things. I do not tow, no pets, my children are heading to college or graduating from college. Moreover, I purchased a new CIViC instead of a Chevy Cruise for my youngest as a graduation gift, hear that GM! When will you learn that customer loyalty is important to a businesses continued success! May I add my neighbor purchased the "New Made in China" Buick SUV and they are working to lemon law it. Thanks for letting me vent.
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I have been test driving several large SUVs, and I must say that the new Q7 is amazing. I can not purchase a Ford with Ecoboost. However, after all that we have decided to order a 7 series and dump the Denali. Hear that GM! I have my old Denali and a business truck along with other cars for hauling people and things. I do not tow, no pets, my children are heading to college or graduating from college. Moreover, I purchased a new CIViC instead of a Chevy Cruise for my youngest as a graduation gift, hear that GM! When will you learn that customer loyalty is important to a businesses continued success! May I add my neighbor purchased the "New Made in China" Buick SUV and they are working to lemon law it. Thanks for letting me vent.
M26 over and out!
you realize this forum is in no way connected to General Motors, correct?
 

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