I’m sorry...the new Tahoe is nice, but this is a real Truck!

[Dantheman1540]

They all have steel as the base material! My wife had a 2003 GMT 800 Avalanche it had a steal bump[er it it WAS a girlie vehicle!

I'm just teasing all GM trucks matter

 

[JonnyTahoe]

I was in Detroit last week and driving down Woodward ave and witnessed a full camo 2021 or 2022 suburban broke down in a Michigan left turn around. It had the GM police trucks With their flashing light blocking it On both sides while waiting for a tow truck.

I thought about Turing around to get a good set of pictures but decided to have some manners. The breakdown was Not a good sign!

Manners Really. Those would of been some great pictures for forum members to see who have never been to Detroit or Dearborn. They wrap these new trucks up in a Camo Zebra wrap so nobody can get a good look at the new body lines when they test drive these Trucks out on the public streets.

 

[Tonyv__]

IMO.. if you wanna start throwing “real truck” around. I’d say anything from 92-06 falls in that category. 2007 is when they started to pretty them up. And 15 is when they got sharp. (Just retired my 00’ Tahoe and bought myself a 15 yukon Denali). I’m gonna enjoy my girlie truck lol

 

[Bill D]

IMO.. if you wanna start throwing “real truck” around. I’d say anything from 92-06 falls in that category. 2007 is when they started to pretty them up. And 15 is when they got sharp. (Just retired my 00’ Tahoe and bought myself a 15 yukon Denali). I’m gonna enjoy my girlie truck lol

I agree with you in principle. I started to work for GM in 92. I left in 07. My final launch was on the GMT 900. The best trucks were prior to 94. The hydro-formed frames started with the GMT 800 in 94 - 06. GM merged its car and truck engineering divisions in 2005. The GMT 900 was the last Series actually designed by real "Truckers". They were forced to remove 1/2 the cost of the previous GMT 800 design. They pulled it off but the stress forced many of the true truck engineers to depart for other endeavors.

After 2014 the same groups that engineer the Traverse and Enclave minivans are the chief engineers for the Full Size trucks.

All said, I enjoy driving your version of truck more than mine. Its more refined, but IMO, its less a truck, which was my original point.

 

[BG1988]

I dont disagree, worked for General motors and have built and driven many mules and prototypes. I seriously doubt that vehicle was a "Mule" it looked like at least a gamma or non salable build. At that stage I would expect those kind of troubles to be detected at Milford not Woodward

I would expect someone that has been making engines for this long to have everything done correct i suspect the new AFM broke

 

[BG1988]

IMO.. if you wanna start throwing “real truck” around. I’d say anything from 92-06 falls in that category. 2007 is when they started to pretty them up. And 15 is when they got sharp. (Just retired my 00’ Tahoe and bought myself a 15 yukon Denali). I’m gonna enjoy my girlie truck lol

they only cleaned it up because of MPG, the gains are significant considering on Engine only I can get 22mpg City with the 6.0L(on ICE only 100%)

26MPG-31MPG on the highway.(it's how you drive that matters.)
100% ICE.

Sure it has the battery but it's 12 years old and pretty much completely worn out and probably only has about 10-15% capacity left..

 

[GreyStone]

AFM should be made an option....worse thing to ever happen to GM V8s

 

[Miami-Dade]

I was in Detroit last week and driving down Woodward ave and witnessed a full camo 2021 or 2022 suburban broke down in a Michigan left turn around. It had the GM police trucks With their flashing light blocking it On both sides while waiting for a tow truck.

I thought about Turing around to get a good set of pictures but decided to have some manners. The breakdown was Not a good sign!

The 2021 Suburban probably just ran out of fuel. The driver probably did not want to stop to get fuel and be asked a bunch of questions from other motorists there. If I was there I would be checking it out and asking questions.

 

[mikeyss]

Girlie Box?....no ~ I'd say more of a wolf in sheep's clothing

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Sorry guys, but I have to be the disagreeable guy here. This is ugliest ******* thing I've seen all day.

P.s. I wouldn't drive that thing if I was paid to.....

 

[Bill D]

The 2021 Suburban probably just ran out of fuel. The driver probably did not want to stop to get fuel and be asked a bunch of questions from other motorists there. If I was there I would be checking it out and asking questions.

Perhaps, but the fact that there were two GM trucks with flashing lights (either of which could have brought fuel) blocking the truck into the turnaround suggests that it was more involved than adding a couple of gallons to get it back to the Warren Tech Center, they were waiting for a tow truck.

Anyway Im glad my higher self overruled the bad because my initial thought was to turnaround and get a picture to post on this forum, which would not have been representative of higher self for sure! You might be successful stopping and just asking questions.

 

[PG01]

Sorry guys, but I have to be the disagreeable guy here. This is ugliest ******* thing I've seen all day.

P.s. I wouldn't drive that thing if I was paid to.....

LMFAO!!!!!

 

[GreyStone]

Sorry guys, but I have to be the disagreeable guy here. This is ugliest ******* thing I've seen all day.

P.s. I wouldn't drive that thing if I was paid to.....

BANNED!!!

 

[mikeyss]

BANNED!!!

But.....but..... My opinion is just 1 of a few

 

[Bill D]

But.....but..... My opinion is just 1 of a few

Now look what Ive done..all I wanted to do was lob a bomb or two at the girlie trucks, now Mike is getting banned!

I apologize for starting all this shi

 

[GreyStone]

Now look what Ive done..all I wanted to do was lob a bomb or two at the girlie trucks, now Mike is getting banned!

I apologize for starting all this shi

https://img.nbc.com/mpx-static/imag...Pumping_Up_with_Hans__amp__Franz_anvver_1.jpg

 

[5strmtrp]

I was in Detroit last week and driving down Woodward ave and witnessed a full camo 2021 or 2022 suburban broke down in a Michigan left turn around. It had the GM police trucks With their flashing light blocking it On both sides while waiting for a tow truck.

I thought about Turing around to get a good set of pictures but decided to have some manners. The breakdown was Not a good sign!

1st off gotta love the fact that you think PRODUCTION vehicles will be shit.

The truck you are referring to, between eight & nine mile.. yup it happened . A non saleable unit/mule, data acquisition equipment on board, base instrumentation...IE, speedometer and safety items, signals, lights horn, brake lights. Ran out of fuel! They are not supposed to fuel the vehicle off the grounds. There are exceptions to that. They played it safe by flatbedding it back. Chalk it up to... did you fuel it?? No..how about you?? No... crap.
Wow human error who woulda thunk it.
Rant over peace

 

[Bill D]

1st off gotta love the fact that you think PRODUCTION vehicles will be shit.

The truck you are referring to, between eight & nine mile.. yup it happened . A non saleable unit/mule, data acquisition equipment on board, base instrumentation...IE, speedometer and safety items, signals, lights horn, brake lights. Ran out of fuel! They are not supposed to fuel the vehicle off the grounds. There are exceptions to that. They played it safe by flatbedding it back. Chalk it up to... did you fuel it?? No..how about you?? No... crap.
Wow human error who woulda thunk it.
Rant over peace

1st never said or even insinuated anything about Production vehicles.

2nd truck was not between 8 and 9 mile roads and Woodward , it was up in Bloomfield which as I’m sure you know is quite a measurable distance from ugh...8 Mile. How many breakdowns that truck have

3rd I have driven at least a couple dozen gamma and nonsalable GM vehicles In my time at GM and nothing about the snip snip of cutting wiring, racks of data acquisition, CAN alyzers etc ever stopped us from fueling up before leaving the Tech center or Milford.

lastly because I didn’t do anything juvenile like taking a picture just what is the criticism for? IMHO it looked very bad, so what?

Can I have that opinion ...sure! Example - I helped hand build the first drivable SSR and completed it days before that years Dreamcruise. Rick Wagoneer and the head d the UAW drove the truck top down on Woodward, during the cruise, the tow truck always 2 - 3 car lengths back.

We knew if it broke down it would look REAL BAD. Everyone entitled to an opinion in particular those who are in the industry.

LOL. Peace

 

[intheburbs]

1st never said or even insinuated anything about Production vehicles.

Sure you did.

The breakdown was Not a good sign!

If this wasn't an insinuation of production vehicles, then what was it?

 

[Bill D]

Sure you did.



If this wasn't an insinuation of production vehicles, then what was it?

Bill, how Well did you perform on those comprehension tests back in grammar school?

 

[intheburbs]

Bill, how Well did you perform on those comprehension tests back in grammar school?

Instead of insulting me, how about answering my question. What exactly did "This breakdown is not a good sign" mean, if it wasn't a swipe at the upcoming production vehicles?