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Our 4k mile 2026 AT4 ultimate almost killed my family yesterday. I accelerated hard merging onto the freeway and heading into a turn the engine shut off, the screen said push to restart and wouldn't work and thankfully i was able to coast to a flat area on the shoulder.

We could have easily crashed and my whole family died.

It screen remained on and would. It would not restart nor could I shift it into neutral. App says engine/transmission service now.

Onstar was not helpful and eventually we left it with the key in it and 7 hours later after dozens of back and forth with onstar they got a tow truck with a dolly for the wheels and it is now at the dealership waiting for them to open tomorrow.

I am very upset about it trying to kill my family.
happened to me 5 years ago! 2015 Yukon Denali 6.2L w 45k miles. Common Eng valve/ lifter failure! Failed while crossing major Thruway. I barely escaped alive. GM fixed free under factory Warranty. Ran like new ( that was the Death blow!) Happened again around 75k! Thankfully, I bought a $3K extended Warrany and it paid $5759! That was it! GM only gave me 1 year guaranty. Whooping!

Traded it in for a non -GM sled and never looked back. I looked at the Denali pick -ups,......beautiful!! But they want to give me same enhine....or a 4 cyl with a Turbo that sounds like a sewing machine!!

Stuck at nite twice! Family with once. We travel a lot... with a dependable engine now. Not paying $3K every 3 years for extended Warranty ever again....

Best of luck guys.
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I did an oil change with factory oil myself at 1000 miles. Used a purilator- supposedly the best right? We did the break in. It blew on Saturday when I floored it at 4000 miles on the odometer.
 

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I cannot say this plays into the problem 100%, however, I do have some suspicion that the oil filter restrictions can play into oil starvation on the 6.2l with the 2 stage electrically controlled oil variable displacement oil pump. If the oil filter is restrictive the variable displacement oil pump will back off and reduce the amount of oil supplied. Additionally with the DFM using oil to collapse the lifters and the rod bearings being dead last in the oiling path, this all adds up to be a very questionable situation.

There clearly are more larger oil inlet holes on the AC Delco OE filter than almost all of the aftermarket filter. Even when compared to the AC Delco Gold filters. There is a reason for the 13 larger oil inlet holes in the OE filter, but why?? Weight for fuel economy or reduced restriction for better oil flow?? Is this for the ASS system and quicker oil pressure build up?? Only GM knows, but not sure I would want to run either the AC Delco Golds or any of the aftermarket filters.

OE AC Delco Oil Filter bottom view

AC Delco OEM Oil Filter.jpg


Puraltor Oil Filter bottom view

Purolator Oil Filter.jpg


AC Delco Gold UPF63R

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So you're saying, the two factory filters have less restriction because the GM knows the engine needs less restriction vs actually filtering out particulate?
 

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So you're saying, the two factory filters have less restriction because the GM knows the engine needs less restriction vs actually filtering out particulate?
No, what I am saying is the oil filter base plate on the AC Delco PF63 has 13 large inlet holes. All the aftermarket filters and the AC Delco Gold filters have far fewer and smaller oil inlet holes stamped in the baseplates. Why, only GM knows?? Are the larger holes for better oiling on cold start? Faster oiling during ASS? Something to do with the variable displacement oil pump?

Sure there have been many 6.2l engine failures with the OE PF63 as well, but I am not sure I would ever run a AC Delco Gold filter with the 6 smaller inlet holes in the baseplate. Question the aftermarkets as well.

There is also a difference with the size and number of oil inlet holes in the filter baseplate than the actual filter media. Just figure the square inches/opening area of holes in the filters with the 6-7 inlet holes vs the 13 larger holes on the OE PF63. This could act as a restriction before the oil even gets to the filter media.

20-30 micron particles should not be taking out bearings on any engine, this is pretty much the standard for years. The majority of these engines are failing due to oil starvation at the very end of the oiling path, lack of proper pressure and volume to sustain a proper oil wedge along with oil that is too thin for the torque loading. These engines put out as much HP/Torque as the 1970 427 Chevy motors at much lower RPMs and these engines are loaded to almost 100% torque loading quite often at below 1500-2000 RPM. They are constantly being operating in a "Lugging" mode. The 2nd stage oil pressure solenoid is triggered based on RPM (3,000 which the engine rarely operates at or above except in extreme acceleration conditions), not Load, big mistake. Need to find out if the solenoid can be bypassed without constantly triggering a CEL/SES/MIL.
 
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And at the end of the day, I believe all these 6.2l L87 failures are not due to one single issue, I believe it is a multitude of problems that add up and under the correct conditions can be catastrophic.

Some of the possible problems, each is probably only a partial contributor

1. Improper crankshaft final machining and polishing. This was supposedly corrected for build from July 2024 forward but we are still seeing failures, maybe not at the original rate for the pre July 2024 engine builds, but there are still failures for 2025-2026 builds and replacement engines manufactured after July 2024.

2. Oil viscosity issues. 0W20 will work, but gives NO safety margin for shear, fuel dilution and the high constant torque loading of this engine in these 6000 lb vehicles.

3. Dropping rod bearing Teflon coating, the main bearings are still coated but the rod bearings are not. I believe the reason the main bearings are currently coated it to protect from lack of oil film for all the addition starting with ASS enabled. If GM would have continued the use of rod bearing coating I would gather the 6.2l failure rate would be 50% or less of the current numbers. Penny wise, pound foolish!

4. Improper cleaning of engine blocks, cranks, rods after machining. This is an easy way for the manufacturers to blame the problem not on the design or choices that were make during the design but blame the assembly process or human assembly process.

5. DFM taking oil volume and pressure away from the end of the oiling path. GM should have done what Ford did in the 1960's with their race engines, feed the main/rod bearings with oil first and the cam, lifters and rocker arms last. The DFM system is far more active and all lifters are capable of collapsing then compared to the prior version of the AFM. Double or more oil requirement to operate the DFM when compared to AFM on the same basic engine.

6. Oil pump & pressure control. The 5.3l L84 does not utilized the 2 stage electrically controlled oil pressure feature. The 5.3l L84 operates at slightly higher oil pressure than the 6.2l L87. This is a big problem with the 6.2l L87 IMHO.

7. Oil filter design. Again, not sure why GM has the 13 larger oil inlet holes on the OE PF63 oil filter and so many of the aftermarket filters have fewer and smaller inlet holes. This along with smaller micro filter media that could be partially restrictive could be a contributor to oil starvation.

8. The 6.2l L87 TCM (Transmission Control Module) is programmed very differently than the 5.3l L84 TCM for the same vehicle. The 6.2l L87 seems to hold off downshifting and forces the engine to load up far more than the 5.3l L84. This is likely due to GM utilizing the extra torque from the 6.2l L87 and trying to get better fuel economy on the highway. But this puts a lot of strain on the engine bearings because the engine is constantly spiking over 75% loading under 2000 RPM.

I am sure there are other items I did not touch on, but it seems GM designed a perfect storm with the L87 6.2l and again, maybe there is no single weak point, but add a few of these items above under the right conditions and oil film breaks down and heat is generated for a short term before you are then waiting on the side of the road for a tow truck.
 

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You have every right to be upset!

I have posted this before but losing your brand new engine or truck is bad enough but nothing compared to endangering human lives.

The fact that “loss of propulsion” can cause injuries or death is a serious situation that has to be addressed. The fact that a brand new vehicle with the OEM engine has a history of this and the cause is well documented beyond any shadow of doubt is a legal and ethical liability of astronomical proportions!!!!

Thank God you and your family survived but the difference between you and your loved ones seriously injured or dead is the grace of God or luck.

This needs to be fixed and money is not even a fraction of the cost.

So glad you and your family survived!
The main issue is your safe,2nd issue is documented complaint.
 

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And at the end of the day, I believe all these 6.2l L87 failures are not due to one single issue, I believe it is a multitude of problems that add up and under the correct conditions can be catastrophic.

Some of the possible problems, each is probably only a partial contributor

1. Improper crankshaft final machining and polishing. This was supposedly corrected for build from July 2024 forward but we are still seeing failures, maybe not at the original rate for the pre July 2024 engine builds, but there are still failures for 2025-2026 builds and replacement engines manufactured after July 2024.

2. Oil viscosity issues. 0W20 will work, but gives NO safety margin for shear, fuel dilution and the high constant torque loading of this engine in these 6000 lb vehicles.

3. Dropping rod bearing Teflon coating, the main bearings are still coated but the rod bearings are not. I believe the reason the main bearings are currently coated it to protect from lack of oil film for all the addition starting with ASS enabled. If GM would have continued the use of rod bearing coating I would gather the 6.2l failure rate would be 50% or less of the current numbers. Penny wise, pound foolish!

4. Improper cleaning of engine blocks, cranks, rods after machining. This is an easy way for the manufacturers to blame the problem not on the design or choices that were make during the design but blame the assembly process or human assembly process.

5. DFM taking oil volume and pressure away from the end of the oiling path. GM should have done what Ford did in the 1960's with their race engines, feed the main/rod bearings with oil first and the cam, lifters and rocker arms last. The DFM system is far more active and all lifters are capable of collapsing then compared to the prior version of the AFM. Double or more oil requirement to operate the DFM when compared to AFM on the same basic engine.

6. Oil pump & pressure control. The 5.3l L84 does not utilized the 2 stage electrically controlled oil pressure feature. The 5.3l L84 operates at slightly higher oil pressure than the 6.2l L87. This is a big problem with the 6.2l L87 IMHO.

7. Oil filter design. Again, not sure why GM has the 13 larger oil inlet holes on the OE PF63 oil filter and so many of the aftermarket filters have fewer and smaller inlet holes. This along with smaller micro filter media that could be partially restrictive could be a contributor to oil starvation.

8. The 6.2l L87 TCM (Transmission Control Module) is programmed very differently than the 5.3l L84 TCM for the same vehicle. The 6.2l L87 seems to hold off downshifting and forces the engine to load up far more than the 5.3l L84. This is likely due to GM utilizing the extra torque from the 6.2l L87 and trying to get better fuel economy on the highway. But this puts a lot of strain on the engine bearings because the engine is constantly spiking over 75% loading under 2000 RPM.

I am sure there are other items I did not touch on, but it seems GM designed a perfect storm with the L87 6.2l and again, maybe there is no single weak point, but add a few of these items above under the right conditions and oil film breaks down and heat is generated for a short term before you are then waiting on the side of the road for a tow truck.
Yep. All of this.

Throw in Auto Start Stop and oil change intervals on DI engine above 5000 miles...

Categorically what this means is there are many ways to get these bearings into the mixed boundary lube section of the Stribeck curve. EDIT: this is not where you want to be.

Surface finish, journal machining, oil viscosity, load, rpm. In each of these variables the 6.2 has something that is asking for problems as @jfoj list indicates.

The auto industry is nearly replete with these problems.

The 2026 bingo card with Toyota and GM duking it out for last place in engine reliability is truly wild.
 

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Pay careful attention to a few things.

1. Main bearings are coated. Notice the upper main bearing shells still has some sort of permanent marker still on them. Little to no wear on these. Not sure the lower main bearings were shown, I would have to fully re-watch the entire video.

2. Rod bearings are not coated. Also note the lower rod bearing shells do not have much wear, however the center of the upper rod bearing shells are taking a lot more load and have noticeable wear indicating there is likely mixed and boundary layer lubrication.

3. The roller lifter wear may be lubrication related, but it may be a function of both materials and material finish. Without access to the parts and new production parts this is hard to know for sure.

4. At the end of the day, 0W20 oil cannot support the low speed heavy loading of the 6.2l rod bearings with the lower oil pressure and slower bearing/journal speeds. While the crank finish can factor into oil wedge behavior if a heavier viscosity oil would be used, the crank finish does not play as much as a factor than when using a thinner viscosity oil. Add to this the DFM requiring oil pressure and volume to control the lifters, with the rod bearings being at the absolute end of the oiling path, this may be why the rod bearings have the strange wave related wear and are often oil starved.

5. While there were groves in some of the bearings, is this a Chicken or Egg situation. Was this due to the engine and internal parts not being cleaned well enough or was this due to debris passing through the filter element and being circulated through the engine. While not ideal, the bearing scoring is not likely going to take an engine down at lower mileage. Bearings are designed for embeddability and I have seen many higher mileage engines disassembled with bearing scoring.

Engine did not seem to have a full failure, but clearly there was enough noise and vibration for the Pico test to condemn is. Chances are it would have failed sometime in the near future if the engine would have continued to operate, especially with the 0W20 oil, 0W40 may have kept it alive slightly longer, but with the debris in the oil pan, this engine was on borrowed time.

Its anyone's guess to why some of these engines fail under 5k miles and why some fail after 45k. As mentioned previously, I do not think there is a single failure point with these engines. Failures are likely due to a combination of manufacturing, maintenance and how the vehicle is used to include if ASS and DFM is fully active. The only thing we as owners can easily do is disable the ASS and DFM, over maintain the engine, much shorter OCI and rely on something with more safety margin than 0W20 engine oil. Then we all will need to cross our fingers and hope for the best!
 

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2025 Yukon denali. From mile 1 have had issues including replacement of fuel injector intake manifold gasket, lifter and rod, with last being coil and plug. Each of these repairs was done separately with me leaving lot then within 50 miles engine light coming on and me returning to dealer. After coil and plug replacement truck seemed apparently "fixed" but engine just failed on highway in middle of nowhere AZ. Started with loud engine knocking to finally engine dying. It was towed to dealer and im talking with them on Monday but was told by text most likely engine failure. First they told me around 14 days but last message says 30 days to repair. Im saving my money for the new Audi Q9
 

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The failure rate on 2025’s is not looking good so far. Sort of belies the improvements that were made.
 

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The OP had a failure on a 2026 and a few people mention they had 2025 failures as well. So the crankshaft machining improvement story was only a partial story or GM is really freaking clueless.

New replacement builds and 2025 and 2026 engines are still failing at an abnormally high rate.
 

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No, they are still junk, and with the new engines coming out in 2027, don't expect them to be fixed. There are also serious known issues with the 10-speed transmissions and their valve bodies. Those are so bad that some dealerships are contracting with Next Gen Drivetrains to provide the fix.

I just got back from a trip to Florida for a few days, and I put 500 miles on a 2025 Ford Expedition Active with the 3.5 Eco-Boost engine. Not only did it drive much better than my 2024 Yukon SLT with the 3.0 Duramax, but the seats are also 100Xs more comfortable. I am currently on the lookout for a 2025 Expedition with the Platinum trim to get cooled seats. I am done with this GM junk.

I highly doubt that the Expy drives better. You’re just piling on your frustration.
 

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I highly doubt that the Expy drives better. You’re just piling on your frustration.
No, I am quite sure I know how I feel. Having driven it for almost a week, it was a good sample size. Have you driven one? If not, don't project your thoughts onto what others feel.

The seats are far more comfortable than the fake leather used in the SLT. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks GM's seats are too stiff. In fact, it's been that way for years. The last seats I would call comfortable were in my 2005 Cadillac CTS.
 

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