Supercruise owners, thoughts?

[GoNoGo]

With 50+ million GM vehicles, someday soon maybe half will have paid subscriptions, these digital services like SC could end up being more profitable for GM than building actual cars.


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[Danimalx87]

live in a stupid ass state where you have to pay personal property tax on vehicles, every year. I would much rather have a one time payment for lifetime access to connected services than additional monthly charges once the vehicle is paid off.

 

[Seamus]

Ok so? We have subscriptions for tons of stuff. Super cruise is well worth it. Nobody is buying 80k+ vehicles and complaining about a 15 to 20$ subscription. Lol.

Wrong. We pay for subscriptions for things we want that we dont have like Netflix. Its a service not a feature. We are paying for every option in this truck. They are mine, I paid for them. I agreed to them. Your premise is paying for "permission" to use what you already paid for and already own. That is ridiculous. Yet in their survey they believe people will pay up to and over 100 dollars a month for subscriptions in vehicles.?? Feels like when we used to rent cars 25 years ago and you paid extra to get a GPS. It was up to you. So you paid for Supercruise, but want to keep paying for it?? Absurd. They will push as far as they can. Paying for features you own?? You paid for it when you bought it. Now we are in bed with the mafia??

 

[StephenPT]

The Toyota thing is annoying because the cars affected were also cheaper cars. It is what it is. Similar to how we don't have cable now but pay just as much for the 100 streaming services because every show you like is on a different one

I had this very conversation with a friend last night. He was looking at switching from YouTube TV to Fubo. I asked him what all he was paying subscriptions on and what his cable TV bill was before he ditched that. By the time he added up YouTube TV, Paramount+, Disney+, Netflix and something else it was well over what the original cable TV bill. Kind of funny considering all the talk about cutting cable and "saving so much money" by switching to streaming services.

 

[Stbentoak]

Wrong. We pay for subscriptions for things we want that we dont have like Netflix. Its a service not a feature. We are paying for every option in this truck. They are mine, I paid for them. I agreed to them. Your premise is paying for "permission" to use what you already paid for and already own. That is ridiculous. Yet in their survey they believe people will pay up to and over 100 dollars a month for subscriptions in vehicles.?? Feels like when we used to rent cars 25 years ago and you paid extra to get a GPS. It was up to you. So you paid for Supercruise, but want to keep paying for it?? Absurd. They will push as far as they can. Paying for features you own?? You paid for it when you bought it. Now we are in bed with the mafia??

Ab so Ducking Lutely..... Once I pay for an option (Especially a 2500.00 option..) It should be for the life of the vehicle like adaptive cruise or Air suspension. I may have to pay for occasional map upgrades, but the original package of maps supplied with the vehicle should work for life. What's the diff? I like them all equally but wouldn't pay monthly for air suspension or ACC. I already did! Believe me, this is just the beginning of opening Pandora's box on monthly "Subscription fees". They are testing the waters here to see what the public will tolerate. There have already been articles written that by 2030 or so that a pretty fair share of automaker profits will come from the ongoing "Fee's and subscription service's" arena. It also smacks of "If you don't pay this you can no longer use this" and potentially shutting down the vehicle if you are say, 6 months past due on your "Subscription" agreement. What's to prevent it?

I liken it to buying a house and saying if you don't pay the power company a separate subscription fee... NO AC FOR YOU!

 

[jforb]

reading the extended warranty thread, it appears most folks don't mind paying a bunch for some "protection"....so yeah, we're already in bed with the mafia.

 

[DmaxDenaliXL]

I fully agree with the fact that I shouldn't have to pay a subscription for supercruise. That said, I also included it on my must have features. Its the future and I think it will help long term resale and I like having the additional braking safety features that come with it.

I fully expect that in the next 3 years when it expires, the general public will have rebelled against the automakers and they will allow the service free. Or as was already mentioned, big brother may force their hand. They may come out with better features that are only available with subscription and what we have today is free.

Worst case, I'm wrong and have to pay to play. I see it as something I want primarily for road trips and would likely renew for a month as needed and cancel. I do the same with Onstar and XM radio. Nice to have on long trips, but not worth paying for it year round. Again, I think this is stupid, but was a risk I'm willing to take.

 

[Danimalx87]

Wrong. We pay for subscriptions for things we want that we dont have like Netflix. Its a service not a feature. We are paying for every option in this truck. They are mine, I paid for them. I agreed to them. Your premise is paying for "permission" to use what you already paid for and already own. That is ridiculous. Yet in their survey they believe people will pay up to and over 100 dollars a month for subscriptions in vehicles.?? Feels like when we used to rent cars 25 years ago and you paid extra to get a GPS. It was up to you. So you paid for Supercruise, but want to keep paying for it?? Absurd. They will push as far as they can. Paying for features you own?? You paid for it when you bought it. Now we are in bed with the mafia??

I think the subscription is for the updates and mapping service. Something that needs to be maintained and updated over time. I still agree that it's completely bogus to have to pay an ongoing fee to keep your vehicle's features enabled. It's like a cell phone now, where you pay 2k every other year then another $100 a month to have the privilege of using it on a cell network....

 

[steiny93]

I see these type of 'subscription' services as being a 2 sided sword.

On 1 side, having the option to turn on or off features sounds very nice.
On the other, having to pay a monthly fee for a feature which also has an upfront cost seems broken.

I suppose the key is to understand what the features require and build/buy the vehicle appropriately.
It would be nice to be able to buy a used vehicle and upgrade / downgrade the vehicle based on what you wanted.


I personally don't like the GMC deal concerning the $1500 required option for 3 year xm (xm is $5/month not $500 per year) https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/10/business/gm-onstar-mandatory/index.html. I suppose that's the GMC luxury tax kicking in

 

[zbad55]

I will still pay for the options to have the unlimited data and SC features and to include the On-Star features. I get that a lot of people don't like it or refuse to pay for it and that is up to each person, the SC feature is paid for once then you are paying for the maps that enable the SC, just like you paid for the Audio system but then want to add Sirius 360. You don't have to pay for Sirius if you just want AM/FM but that is the way things are now. This upfront cost to the vehicle for the connectivity package as we all know is not stopping anyone from buying a new SUV, just look at the thread on ordering and and the wait times.

Just wait until GM launches it's new vehicles including the PU's and SUV's with the SDV architect, SDV (Software Defined Vehicle) will be coming soon and this is the direction OEM's are going. We will be paying for more features and add on's that we currently don't have to pay for now which I'm sure will get a lot of push back but it will happen and is getting implemented right now into GM vehicles.

 

[DuraYuk]

Wrong. We pay for subscriptions for things we want that we dont have like Netflix. Its a service not a feature. We are paying for every option in this truck. They are mine, I paid for them. I agreed to them. Your premise is paying for "permission" to use what you already paid for and already own. That is ridiculous. Yet in their survey they believe people will pay up to and over 100 dollars a month for subscriptions in vehicles.?? Feels like when we used to rent cars 25 years ago and you paid extra to get a GPS. It was up to you. So you paid for Supercruise, but want to keep paying for it?? Absurd. They will push as far as they can. Paying for features you own?? You paid for it when you bought it. Now we are in bed with the mafia??

Wrong you are just needing something to be outraged over. New to tech ? You paid for your phone but still gotta pay to use it. What about your computer ? Paid for but still pay to use it. Its nothing new. We are not talking about subscription for air conditioning. We are talking about new maps and roads and features so that what you paid for works well. Sheesh.

 

[Seamus]

Wrong you are just needing something to be outraged over. New to tech ? You paid for your phone but still gotta pay to use it. What about your computer ? Paid for but still pay to use it. Its nothing new. We are not talking about subscription for air conditioning. We are talking about new maps and roads and features so that what you paid for works well. Sheesh.

Your splitting hairs and have missed the point. Yes, you buy the phone and you pay to use someones network to make calls, and it has said features. If you want an app you pay for it. if it comes with the app at said price, they should not be charging 2 yrs later and making your phone have less features that you paid for originally with that app. BTW BMW was charging to use YOUR heated seats that YOU paid for. Air conditioning is not far away. Toyota was making owners pay monthly to remote start THEIR truck with a feature they paid for. We are not renting these vehicles...we own them. My Mercedes has lane keep, distronic cruise, auto stop, ect....which were features when buying the car. Doesnt cost a penny driving down the road. They will push as far as they can. If you accept it, there will more of it. Bmw backed up and so is Toyota...because people were "outraged". Yet GM thinks after people make a car payment, and maintenance plus fuel per month...they want to pay up 114 dollars for features and apps..........I wonder why millennials use Uber and think older people are nuts for owning cars they cant drive 24 hours a day?? My millennial neighbor, great kid, thinks its nuts to pay for 100% of a car that you only use infrequently. Said he'd rather rent a truck for the roadtrip, or take an Uber...its cheaper!! I almost agree with him. But then there is the freedom part of that scenario. No need to be condescending with your "outraged" and "new to tech" comments...thats classless. You can give a viewpoint and disagree easily yet you chose otherwise.

 

[greg_tahoe84]

How is the adaptive cruise control on the Tahoe/Yukon? What will I be missing if I get a vehicle without supercruise, aside from bragging rights?

 

[Seamus]

Adaptive cruise is great. Once you get used to it. I first had it on my 2015 or 2017 Yukon XL? and initially I hated it from a control point of view and not trusting it. There was no option to use adaptive or regular cruise as todays truck has that choice. Well......I eventually fell in love with it and wouldnt own a truck without it. If you have the lane keep on and adaptive cruise you can actually be slightly distracted for a second without being too concerned. Its great IMHO.

 

[Geotrash]

Supercruise requires ongoing map updates and survey data to be safe and functional. And it requires connectivity through a 3rd party mobile network to work away from your home Wi-Fi. So GM is incurring ongoing costs to provide these services, hence the monthly fee. It’s more analogous to oil changes and maintenance costs than something that you pay for once.

 

[greg_tahoe84]

Adaptive cruise is great. Once you get used to it. I first had it on my 2015 or 2017 Yukon XL? and initially I hated it from a control point of view and not trusting it. There was no option to use adaptive or regular cruise as todays truck has that choice. Well......I eventually fell in love with it and wouldnt own a truck without it. If you have the lane keep on and adaptive cruise you can actually be slightly distracted for a second without being too concerned. Its great IMHO.

I had a similar setup with my current X7 and it is really good. Doesn’t change lanes by itself, I have to double move my turn signal to do it. I also couldn’t get a vehicle without ACC.

 

[DuraYuk]

Your splitting hairs and have missed the point. Yes, you buy the phone and you pay to use someones network to make calls, and it has said features. If you want an app you pay for it. if it comes with the app at said price, they should not be charging 2 yrs later and making your phone have less features that you paid for originally with that app. BTW BMW was charging to use YOUR heated seats that YOU paid for. Air conditioning is not far away. Toyota was making owners pay monthly to remote start THEIR truck with a feature they paid for. We are not renting these vehicles...we own them. My Mercedes has lane keep, distronic cruise, auto stop, ect....which were features when buying the car. Doesnt cost a penny driving down the road. They will push as far as they can. If you accept it, there will more of it. Bmw backed up and so is Toyota...because people were "outraged". Yet GM thinks after people make a car payment, and maintenance plus fuel per month...they want to pay up 114 dollars for features and apps..........I wonder why millennials use Uber and think older people are nuts for owning cars they cant drive 24 hours a day?? My millennial neighbor, great kid, thinks its nuts to pay for 100% of a car that you only use infrequently. Said he'd rather rent a truck for the roadtrip, or take an Uber...its cheaper!! I almost agree with him. But then there is the freedom part of that scenario. No need to be condescending with your "outraged" and "new to tech" comments...thats classless. You can give a viewpoint and disagree easily yet you chose otherwise.

I think you missed the point. 'They' will not be doing anything. No need to be afraid. Toyota was charging for enhanced remote features. Your remote could still start the car. Lots of misinformation here. Seems like the mo around here.

If someone wants to uber that's on them. Similar to renting. Not everyone knows how to make their money work for them.

It costs money to keep your car updated with the latest maps and software updates. Unless they charge you spme huge price upfront that's how it's gonna be. Simple.

 

[Stbentoak]

How is the adaptive cruise control on the Tahoe/Yukon? What will I be missing if I get a vehicle without supercruise, aside from bragging rights?

It's great and fully functional. And "Free".
With SC you are not paying "**** for maps and updates", you are also paying monthly to use it. Paying for updates would be a sporadic event and might even be palatable if it wasn't outrageously priced.
I mean in all reality how much do people really use this? I probably only use ACC 1-2 time a month, let alone SC. If I drove 100 miles of interstate every day, it MIGHT make sense. But who really does?
I'll admit I pay for OnStar and data, but I functionally use it every single day, so I deem it worthy although I don't necessarily like it...

 

[zbad55]

How is the adaptive cruise control on the Tahoe/Yukon? What will I be missing if I get a vehicle without supercruise, aside from bragging rights

There is no comparison IMO, SC is a whole different ballgame. Adaptive cruise will slow down and apply the brakes as well as speed up when in traffic. The SC is a true "Hands Free" driving and is even better when in stop and go traffic. There is lot of reduced fatigue when not having to keep your hands on the wheel on long road trips. What is nice about having SC is that you get both the "Adaptive and the SC" options, so you can use either to your liking. There are pros and cons to everything when we purchase different options, some like bare bones and other like all the options. I am glad mine came with SC and will always be using it on trips. If I need too I can also use the "Adaptive Cruise"

 

[navyseal334]

I wanted SC on a 23 Suburban I picked up a couple months ago (waited 10 months for build); it wasn't available but I took the car anyway.

WIthout SC, lane keep assist on this suburban is absolute weak-sauce. It will bump me back once if I slowly drift towards the line (after my tire is on the line) and then ping pong me into the other lane line and the next bump usually sends me out of the lane. It is garbage compared to the LKA+lane centering in a 2022 Honda Odyssey we had before - which didn't require a subscription. The Odyssey could effectively drive itself on highways without major curves - it could handle small curves fine and kept me centered in the lane. It actually helped steer the vehicle (and read speed limit signs) with onboard technology; no relying on external data connections or paid subscriptions.

TLDR - don't expect any real steering assistance without SuperCruise. GM's free offering for steering assistance (no subscription) is garbage compared to Asian brands; I believe the paid experience outdoes them. Comes down to whether it's available and worth the monthly cost to you.

I'm not paying for another subscription though wish I had it installed in case I wanted to spring for it on a long road trip.