Expedition vs Yukon

[Polo08816]

Takes me 60-90 minutes just to go 30 miles on the Brooklyn Queens Expressway. Even weekends. The Gowanus is not much better.

I'm glad I was able to leave that area. Unless someone more than a mere mortal, there's a huge advantage to taking that DC, NY, LA, SF, etc. salary to a much lower cost of living area. Geographic arbitrage.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

MSRP means nothing to the retail customer. That's why it stands for Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price. Market selling price is what matters - what are you getting for the money you are spending.

MSRP means everything to the retail customer. You literally have no clue what you’re even talking about laugh out loud.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

I'm glad I was able to leave that area. Unless someone more than a mere mortal, there's a huge advantage to taking that DC, NY, LA, SF, etc. salary to a much lower cost of living area. Geographic arbitrage.

You must live in candy land because nearly every big company pays you less when you move out of a big city…

 

[Polo08816]

You're getting emotional and not thinking about what you're saying before typing and hitting post. You're using terms like "never", "no brainer", etc. without having data other than the closest dealership to you and one or two cherry picked articles. Just relax - it's the internet. There's really no need to get worked up.

MSRP means nothing to the retail customer. That's why it stands for Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price. Market selling price is what matters - what are you getting for the money you are spending.


But more importantly, when you say, "... they're already losing", who are you referring to? The manufacturer? The dealer? The retail customer?

How much a manufacturer/dealer profits over a per unit sale is less than tertiary priority for me as a retail customer. I simply don't care. I care about getting the best value for what I need. With that being said, maybe the following individual might care instead of the retail customer:

1. Employee of manufacturer
2. Owner or employee of dealership
3. Fanboi

MSRP means everything to the retail customer. You literally have no clue what you’re even talking about laugh out loud.

What does it mean? It's simply a suggestion - hence Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price. Not mandated, not enforced, not gospel - simply a suggestion.

That's why you see everything from 6% under invoice pricing for a Stellantis product, 3% under invoice for Ford productions to obnoxious dealer markups for whatever brand out there. The range could be huge so what does MSRP really matter. It simply doesn't as much as you think - which is "everything" - and it didn't before the pandemic when GM, Ford, FCA had vehicles that were selling $10+k below MSRP.

Clearly it doesn't mean "everything".

 

[Polo08816]

I'm glad I was able to leave that area. Unless someone more than a mere mortal, there's a huge advantage to taking that DC, NY, LA, SF, etc. salary to a much lower cost of living area. Geographic arbitrage.

You must live in candy land because nearly every big company pays you less when you move out of a big city…

You would think, right? But even if that were true, for the vast majority of skill workers, the locality premium for a city almost never makes up for the true cost of living. Hence, that's why there's been an outflow of population from a city like NYC and a huge growth in population in lower cost metro areas. Private sector is generally hard to compare because there are a lot more variables.

But take the federal government and federal employees for example. There's an absolute cap on how much they can earn from a career civilian job and that absolute cap is applied to all regardless of locality. The federal pay tables don't take into account how someone could reach that cap from premium pay, availability pay, etc. But someone in York, PA or Huntsville, AL and NYC would have the same pay cap. Hence why major cities tend to be the least preferred assignments.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

What does it mean? It's simply a suggestion - hence Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price. Not mandated, not enforced, not gospel - simply a suggestion.

That's why you see everything from 6% under invoice pricing for a Stellantis product, 3% under invoice for Ford productions to obnoxious dealer markups for whatever brand out there. The range could be huge so what does MSRP really matter. It simply doesn't as much as you think - which is "everything" - and it didn't before the pandemic when GM, Ford, FCA had vehicles that were selling $10+k below MSRP.

Clearly it doesn't mean "everything".

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That's why you see everything from 6% under invoice pricing for a Stellantis product, 3% under invoice for Ford productions to obnoxious dealer markups for whatever brand out there.

The Jeep Wrangler and Ford Maverick & Ford Bronco have on
average some of the highest markups across the country for any vehicle lol

Don't Buy a Jeep Wrangler or Ford Maverick Right Now

iSeeCars says that the Jeep Wrangler SUV and the Ford Maverick truck have the worst markups in America, according to a new study.

www.motorbiscuit.com

 

[Polo08816]

What does it mean? It's simply a suggestion - hence Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price. Not mandated, not enforced, not gospel - simply a suggestion.

That's why you see everything from 6% under invoice pricing for a Stellantis product, 3% under invoice for Ford productions to obnoxious dealer markups for whatever brand out there. The range could be huge so what does MSRP really matter. It simply doesn't as much as you think - which is "everything" - and it didn't before the pandemic when GM, Ford, FCA had vehicles that were selling $10+k below MSRP.

Clearly it doesn't mean "everything".

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The Jeep Wrangler and Ford Maverick & Ford Bronco have on
average some of the highest markups across the country for any vehicle lol

Don't Buy a Jeep Wrangler or Ford Maverick Right Now

iSeeCars says that the Jeep Wrangler SUV and the Ford Maverick truck have the worst markups in America, according to a new study.

www.motorbiscuit.com

No doubt, like I said, the top end of that spectrum includes markups for whatever brand out there. I don't see the purpose of any of those vehicles. Maybe a quick flip if you can get one.

 

[Polo08816]

Another review of the Wagoneer L. I like this reviewers explanation of how the space can be utilized and I think she has one of the better focuses for families with small kids. Her critique of the Wagoneer L is fair and we've heard some of the parts people are critical of.

 

[Baja_Bob]

I saw on another forum where a Ford dealer was charging an $11,000 mark up on a Bronco that normally sells for $38,000.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

I saw on another forum where a Ford dealer was charging an $11,000 mark up on a Bronco that normally sells for $38,000.

Yep.

In the real world, Dealers markup cars that are in high demand. You're lucky to pay sticker.

They only discount cars that are grossly overpriced. Like the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer lol

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Another review of the Wagoneer L. I like this reviewers explanation of how the space can be utilized and I think she has one of the better focuses for families with small kids. Her critique of the Wagoneer L is fair and we've heard some of the parts people are critical of.

Why are you peddling the Wagoneer on here so much? Getting weird. You admitted before you wont even pay sticker price for a Tahoe but are in love with a car that makes the Tahoe seem affordable to your average Joe lol

 

[Baja_Bob]

The back windows on the Wagoneer are the biggest drawback for me, especially with the chrome trim around them. Give me a Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade anyday.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

The back windows on the Wagoneer are the biggest drawback for me, especially with the chrome trim around them. Give me a Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade anyday.

It looks like a Ford Flex that wants to become a Range Rover but with the face of a Jeep. It's ugly.

And I don't get the need for more space in the cargo area. I've never heard of anyone with a Suburban or Yukon XL who said...damn if I only had more trunk space lol.

BTW - that woman didn't look like she had much room in the second row....can't imagine how comfortable a grown man would be.

 

[Baja_Bob]

Jeep did get the RSE right though, besides being a little low it all streams through the built-in wifi, no need for cables. Are you paying attention GM?

 

[wjburken]

Do we need to change the title of this thread to include Wagoner?

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Jeep did get the RSE right though, besides being a little low it all streams through the built-in wifi, no need for cables. Are you paying attention GM?

RSE is overrated. The technology will never keep up long term.

Pop in a $10 tablet holder into the headrest and any tablet.

 

[sickk21]

RSE scares me because I have toddlers and their feet go right where those screens are. Besides them getting stomped by my kids, does anyone else feel like it’s a very large target to get your ride broken into? I live in a state where they don’t give af and will smash out your window or key hole for a iPhone charger.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

RSE scares me because I have toddlers and their feet go right where those screens are. Besides them getting stomped by my kids, does anyone else feel like it’s a very large target to get your ride broken into? I live in a state where they don’t give af and will smash out your window or key hole for a iPhone charger.

I feel like if you have kids (outside really young toddlers) who are still in a forward facing car seat position....their feet will be kicking the crap out of that screen. My 2 year old can kick the back of the front passenger seat pretty easily.

RSE is ideal for kids in a booster seat or no car seat.

 

[Polo08816]

Why are you peddling the Wagoneer on here so much? Getting weird. You admitted before you wont even pay sticker price for a Tahoe but are in love with a car that makes the Tahoe seem affordable to your average Joe lol

You are getting tunnel vision.

A couple weeks ago, I was posting more Ford Expedition review videos because they just started being delivered to dealerships. I'm always searching for more reviews for the Ford Expedition because it's still not clear to me what exactly is different about the suspension for the Ford Expedition Limited Max Stealth Performance Edition.

Jeep just announced the long wheel base versions within the last 2 weeks so, naturally, you would see more videos pop up for the Wagoneer L and Grand Wagoneer L this past week.

As a retail customer, I find it exciting that we're finally going to have options besides GM products. It's unequivocally good for consumers.

Now I understand you have committed to a GM product and that's fine. It's also not surprising that when someone is committed to a selection, they made need varying levels of validation that the choice they made was correct - or in your words - a "no brainer". We all get it because it's expected.

I don't think I'd purchase a Stellantis product until they improve their reliability and quality, but I welcome the competition they provide.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

You are getting tunnel vision.

A couple weeks ago, I was posting more Ford Expedition review videos because they just started being delivered to dealerships. I'm always searching for more reviews for the Ford Expedition because it's still not clear to me what exactly is different about the suspension for the Ford Expedition Limited Max Stealth Performance Edition.

Jeep just announced the long wheel base versions within the last 2 weeks so, naturally, you would see more videos pop up for the Wagoneer L and Grand Wagoneer L this past week.

As a retail customer, I find it exciting that we're finally going to have options besides GM products. It's unequivocally good for consumers.

Now I understand you have committed to a GM product and that's fine. It's also not surprising that when someone is committed to a selection, they made need varying levels of validation that the choice they made was correct - or in your words - a "no brainer". We all get it because it's expected.

I don't think I'd purchase a Stellantis product until they improve their reliability and quality, but I welcome the competition they provide.

You come to a forum dedicated towards Tahoes and Yukons and are talking up competitors brands…it’s weird

And you call yourself a “customer” but you admittedly refused to become a customer because of this market lol and said you’re willing to wait 5 years. Weird as well