2022 order cutoff to 2023 order-to-availability

[Steebu]

Hoping some in-the-know folks have some answers - I think a lot of us are in the same boat. Hoping this thread can consolidate some of the questions/answers floating around.

As I understand it after digging in different places (including this awesome forum):

* Order cutoff for 22’s is end of April
* Orders accepted in April will have a TPW of June
* Orders for 23’s will begin in May w/ TPW of September
* Factories re-tool in July/August to prepare to build 23’s
* May orders begin rolling out in September

These are mostly rough dates - and of course, Covid (go away, already), supply chain issues, and chip shortages will affect these dates.

Questions:

* Do these timelines sound about right?
* Someone noted that suppliers have committed to the first batch of 23’s having full features - was this true for 22’s last year?
* Or will 23’s start off with missing features and retrofits?
* if GM has accepted orders for 22’s that have no TPW due to constraints, do they automatically roll over into 23’s and go to the front of the line?

I have a Denali w/ Premium pkg on order, but thanks to the full constraints list provided by @BrokerThis it seems like it’s a no-go for the rest of this model year.

 

[SCUCREW08]

Following this... same boat here!

 

[Polo08816]

Hoping some in-the-know folks have some answers - I think a lot of us are in the same boat. Hoping this thread can consolidate some of the questions/answers floating around.

As I understand it after digging in different places (including this awesome forum):

* Order cutoff for 22’s is end of April
* Orders accepted in April will have a TPW of June
* Orders for 23’s will begin in May w/ TPW of September
* Factories re-tool in July/August to prepare to build 23’s
* May orders begin rolling out in September

These are mostly rough dates - and of course, Covid (go away, already), supply chain issues, and chip shortages will affect these dates.

Questions:

* Do these timelines sound about right?
* Someone noted that suppliers have committed to the first batch of 23’s having full features - was this true for 22’s last year?
* Or will 23’s start off with missing features and retrofits?
* if GM has accepted orders for 22’s that have no TPW due to constraints, do they automatically roll over into 23’s and go to the front of the line?

I have a Denali w/ Premium pkg on order, but thanks to the full constraints list provided by @BrokerThis it seems like it’s a no-go for the rest of this model year.

Hopefully that's the case. If not, I'll be putting off my order until 2024. Hopefully the economy tanks by then.

 

[Elise201424]

OK I will try and answer as much of this as I have experience in not making the 2021 cut off and rolling to 2022.

-Yes,most of these time frames do sound right. However the 2023s I was told would begin production in July . They would finish May and June. July would be getting ready for the new model year and production would begin.
-I think we would all like to remain hopeful that the new model year will not come out with any constraints. However… For example the sliding power console was supposed to be on discontinued for the whole 2022 model here. If you’ve been following GM authority you see that the sliding power console has come back. I don’t think anyone can say for sure with 100% certainty what it will look like for the new 2023. I have been told by my dealership that once the specs come out for the 2023 we will know more. They are expecting to receive that sometime next month.
-My experience from last year gives me insight into the model year rollover change. If the order does not make the 2022 guideline your dealer will have to go in and manually change your order to a 2023. You will keep the same order confirmation code and that will not change. However the dealer will have to manually input and change everything. Your place in line is determined by the dealership and not so much with GM directly. That is normally done a few weeks before the general ordering is open for everyone else.
- And your final question is when ordering opened up for the new model year were there constraints. The answer was no. Everything was available… It just had to do with your dealers allocation

 

[SSGUNNER]

Hopefully that's the case. If not, I'll be putting off my order until 2024. Hopefully the economy tanks by then.

Word on the street (interweb) prediction is there will be a recession early 2023, similar to 2008. Who knows how accurate that is, but with the current events not that far fetched…but to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Stbentoak]

Nope, not gonna happen……slow down? Yes possibly. Recession, highly doubtful, none of the factors of 2008 are even remotely the same today. Only thing that would change this would be WW3. If that happens won’t matter anyway…..

 

[Polo08816]

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/03/2024-chevy-tahoe-refresh-spied-undergoing-testing-photos/

2024 model year might be the year to get...

 

[Larry07Yukon]

Nope, not gonna happen……slow down? Yes possibly. Recession, highly doubtful, none of the factors of 2008 are even remotely the same today. Only thing that would change this would be WW3. If that happens won’t matter anyway…..

Not concerned with inflation? Massive rise in real estate? Russia? China? *****? Labor constraints? Rising salaries? Rising hourly wages for low end jobs?

Recession is coming, how severe I don’t know. Let’s pray it’s not another 08 scenario

 

[Stbentoak]

Economy is still very strong, interest rates are still at historic lows even if it goes up 1% or more, The market has already priced in the Europe issue, unless it goes to a multi national level. Housing isn’t financed on a wing and prayer any longer.
Yes, inflation is a headwind, but many many Americans have never had a stronger balance sheet. Look at the rate of savings over the last 4 years. 3 trillion higher than just 3 years ago….
I don’t have all the answers, but America is strong, it’s economy is strong, Leadership will change, and we are privileged to enjoy the highest standard of living in the world, even if it still takes a little bit of a hit….

 

[ppdbigdog]

OK I will try and answer as much of this as I have experience in not making the 2021 cut off and rolling to 2022.

-Yes,most of these time frames do sound right. However the 2023s I was told would begin production in July . They would finish May and June. July would be getting ready for the new model year and production would begin.
-I think we would all like to remain hopeful that the new model year will not come out with any constraints. However… For example the sliding power console was supposed to be on discontinued for the whole 2022 model here. If you’ve been following GM authority you see that the sliding power console has come back. I don’t think anyone can say for sure with 100% certainty what it will look like for the new 2023. I have been told by my dealership that once the specs come out for the 2023 we will know more. They are expecting to receive that sometime next month.
-My experience from last year gives me insight into the model year rollover change. If the order does not make the 2022 guideline your dealer will have to go in and manually change your order to a 2023. You will keep the same order confirmation code and that will not change. However the dealer will have to manually input and change everything. Your place in line is determined by the dealership and not so much with GM directly. That is normally done a few weeks before the general ordering is open for everyone else.
- And your final question is when ordering opened up for the new model year were there constraints. The answer was no. Everything was available… It just had to do with your dealers allocation

Can anyone else verify that the sliding power consule has comeback? I only ask because I met with my car dealer last Thursday and they said it wouldn’t be available for all of 22’.. any input is appreciated..

 

[PaulGA]

Can anyone else verify that the sliding power consule has comeback? I only ask because I met with my car dealer last Thursday and they said it wouldn’t be available for all of 22’.. any input is appreciated..

My Yukon Denali was built in February ’22 and has the sliding console. I bought it in transit so not sure when it was ordered.

 

[Elise201424]

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/03/2022-gmc-yukon-power-sliding-console-partially-available-again/

 

[Polo08816]

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/03/2022-gmc-yukon-power-sliding-console-partially-available-again/

Did they bring HD radio back to the 2023 models?

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Hoping some in-the-know folks have some answers - I think a lot of us are in the same boat. Hoping this thread can consolidate some of the questions/answers floating around.

As I understand it after digging in different places (including this awesome forum):

* Order cutoff for 22’s is end of April
* Orders accepted in April will have a TPW of June
* Orders for 23’s will begin in May w/ TPW of September
* Factories re-tool in July/August to prepare to build 23’s
* May orders begin rolling out in September

These are mostly rough dates - and of course, Covid (go away, already), supply chain issues, and chip shortages will affect these dates.

Questions:

* Do these timelines sound about right?
* Someone noted that suppliers have committed to the first batch of 23’s having full features - was this true for 22’s last year?
* Or will 23’s start off with missing features and retrofits?
* if GM has accepted orders for 22’s that have no TPW due to constraints, do they automatically roll over into 23’s and go to the front of the line?

I have a Denali w/ Premium pkg on order, but thanks to the full constraints list provided by @BrokerThis it seems like it’s a no-go for the rest of this model year.

From the 6 dealers I called in my vicinity, every Tahoe is claimed/accounted for weeks before they arrive at the dealership. Ive been told by everyone I can either build one to order or hope someone who had built one either has a change of heart or they find out they can’t afford it through financing when it finally arrives.

So, just based on these time frames…I’ll go out on a limb and say every dealer by me will pretty much have sold every one of their last April orders for 2022s. Maybe they’ll be 1-2 stragglers will hit the lot that arrive in June. But if this is accurate for the most part - there’s not gonna be a single Tahoe at a dealer for sale from now till September. Am I correct in assuming that?

If that’s the case…then there may be very well a good opportunity to get your hands on a Tahoe now that you can flip in 4-5 months for a profit while you build a 2023.

 

[Polo08816]

From the 6 dealers I called in my vicinity, every Tahoe is claimed/accounted for weeks before they arrive at the dealership. Ive been told by everyone I can either build one to order or hope someone who had built one either has a change of heart or they find out they can’t afford it through financing when it finally arrives.

So, just based on these time frames…I’ll go out on a limb and say every dealer by me will pretty much have sold every one of their last April orders for 2022s. Maybe they’ll be 1-2 stragglers will hit the lot that arrive in June. But if this is accurate for the most part - there’s not gonna be a single Tahoe at a dealer for sale from now till September. Am I correct in assuming that?

If that’s the case…then there may be very well a good opportunity to get your hands on a Tahoe now that you can flip in 4-5 months for a profit while you build a 2023.

Not sure what area you're referring to or are in, but these SUVs are no longer carrying the premium they once did on the wholesale market for it to be worth trying to flip for a profit.

 

[Banks22]

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/03/2024-chevy-tahoe-refresh-spied-undergoing-testing-photos/

2024 model year might be the year to get...

Yukon Denali ultimate, I’m gona say $89,995

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Not sure what area you're referring to or are in, but these SUVs are no longer carrying the premium they once did on the wholesale market for it to be worth trying to flip for a profit.

If they aren’t taking any new orders for 2022s after April, where I live it’ll be next to impossible to buy a new Tahoe at a Chevy dealer until September the earliest when the 2023s will start being made. I have a feeling this summer people are going to be in the market for a full size SUV for road trips and outings, now that everything is practically open again and covid isn’t in the minds of anyone. That’s a long time for there to be practically no inventory. Not to mention, all dealers by me are charging over MSRP already except 1.

I don’t even know if dealers by me would have an upcoming allocation before the April cutoff if I wanted to order a Tahoe now. So unless you know they’ll submit your order in the next month, you’ll be waiting a long time for a Tahoe.

 

[Polo08816]

Economy is still very strong, interest rates are still at historic lows even if it goes up 1% or more, The market has already priced in the Europe issue, unless it goes to a multi national level. Housing isn’t financed on a wing and prayer any longer.
Yes, inflation is a headwind, but many many Americans have never had a stronger balance sheet. Look at the rate of savings over the last 4 years. 3 trillion higher than just 3 years ago….
I don’t have all the answers, but America is strong, it’s economy is strong, Leadership will change, and we are privileged to enjoy the highest standard of living in the world, even if it still takes a little bit of a hit….

Just today, the Fed chairman was unequivocally saying that they would be getting more aggressive on interest rates with at least one 50 basis point hike coming in the near future. The Fed will need to play some serious catch up and we're in for some significant challenges.
Also, "many many Americans"... I think the upper middle class and wealthy American families did fine during the pandemic - any demographic with substantial assets in equities. But that's not the vast majority of Americans. The average American is getting owned by inflation because they didn't own any real estate to get in on the real estate boom and they don't own significant equity holdings where they got in on the stock market boom either.

If they aren’t taking any new orders for 2022s after April, where I live it’ll be next to impossible to buy a new Tahoe at a Chevy dealer until September the earliest when the 2023s will start being made. I have a feeling this summer people are going to be in the market for a full size SUV for road trips and outings, now that everything is practically open again and covid isn’t in the minds of anyone.

I don’t even know if dealers by me would have an upcoming allocation before the April cutoff if I wanted to order a Tahoe now. So unless you know they’ll submit your order in the next month, you’ll be waiting a long time for a Tahoe.

People are going to be better off waiting unless they "need" a vehicle today. I can't see myself spending that money on a de-featured vehicle as a matter of principle.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

People are going to be better off waiting unless they "need" a vehicle today. I can't see myself spending that money on a de-featured vehicle as a matter of principle.

Ofcourse. But people can be irrational. I’d never spend $10k+ over MSRP but some people are just to get there hands on a Tahoe right away rather than wait months.

Imagine when others are told - we won’t get any in until September the earliest, you’re only option is a used one with very low mileage. People will buy them.

 

[todayusay]

Not sure what area you're referring to or are in, but these SUVs are no longer carrying the premium they once did on the wholesale market for it to be worth trying to flip for a profit.

understand what you are saying…that the auctions prices may be coming down…but if they are, the dealers definitely aren’t passing those savings on to the consumer….

there are several 22 Tahoe Z71s within a reasonable distance of my location (some with a couple hundred miles, some with a few thousand)…all priced closer to $80k than $75k…and these aren’t loaded out rigs..stopped in at a local dealer, asking $79k+ for a 22 Z71 with a MSRP under $65k. Even if they sell it for $4-5k less than what they have it listed for, it’s still $8-10k over sticker

I’ll find out here in a couple weeks when we try and sell our 2021 AT4

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