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My 1999 Tahoe water temp was always 210 degrees...at least that was what the gauge read. Isn't 230 a little high for the engine to run at that temp? It sounds like your circulating steam, not coolant. And are you using Dexcon, orange, coolant. Just water isn't good for the engine cooling system and leads to overheating. It's okay in a pinch, but as soon as you are able you should flush it and replace it with the proper coolant. And I know this sounds really stupid to bring up, but sometimes we tend to overlook the simplest things that often lead to disaster. Just a thought...
 

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My 1999 Tahoe water temp was always 210 degrees...at least that was what the gauge read. Isn't 230 a little high for the engine to run at that temp? It sounds like your circulating steam, not coolant. And are you using Dexcon, orange, coolant. Just water isn't good for the engine cooling system and leads to overheating. It's okay in a pinch, but as soon as you are able you should flush it and replace it with the proper coolant. And I know this sounds really stupid to bring up, but sometimes we tend to overlook the simplest things that often lead to disaster. Just a thought...
it seems like he just has a clogged radiator, it could have been the issue all along
 
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My 1999 Tahoe water temp was always 210 degrees...at least that was what the gauge read. Isn't 230 a little high for the engine to run at that temp? It sounds like your circulating steam, not coolant. And are you using Dexcon, orange, coolant. Just water isn't good for the engine cooling system and leads to overheating. It's okay in a pinch, but as soon as you are able you should flush it and replace it with the proper coolant. And I know this sounds really stupid to bring up, but sometimes we tend to overlook the simplest things that often lead to disaster. Just a thought...
It always has been running at 210 up until recently. Even after doing the head gaskets it was running at 210 for a little while until it started acting up again.

Ya, I am using the Dexcon orange coolant for GM. I get the 50/50 blend so it is ready to pour right away.
 
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it seems like he just has a clogged radiator, it could have been the issue all along
Sure could be! I am going to be looking into that too. If it was you, would you replace the stock radiator with that many miles on it or would you just flush it?
 

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Sure could be! I am going to be looking into that too. If it was you, would you replace the stock radiator with that many miles on it or would you just flush it?
well 1st thing I would do is pull both hoses off the radiator and stick a hose in the upper hole and put a water hose in it and see how the flow out is, just to confirm if it is clogged or not it should have pretty good flow, all that aside my rule of thumb is 5 years on a radiator unless it has been flushed annually and is in real good shape.
living in CA where it gets hot my experience has been after a radiator is a few years old they will not cool as well and something as simple as sitting at a red light in the summer will make the temp go up some and then return to normal while moving that is a sign it needs to be replaced OR the fan clutch (if equipped) may not be working properly, electric fans usually work pretty well for many years, if they are making noises at startup or when running at low speed that is a indication of motor wear but usually heating issue's like I described is the radiator is no longer efficient as it was when new.
 
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well 1st thing I would do is pull both hoses off the radiator and stick a hose in the upper hole and put a water hose in it and see how the flow out is, just confirm if it is clogged or not it should have pretty good flow, all that aside my rule of thumb is 5 years on a radiator unless it has been flushed annually and is in real good shape.
Thank you for the advice. Going forward, I will use that.
 

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One way to check to see if the water pump is functioning is to take the cap off and start it up. You should see the coolant moving inside or even the coolant coming out from the core. Another way is to squeeze the hose to see if they are firm. I believe the lower one should be pretty hard to squeeze if the pump is functioning as the top, the one that feeds the cores should be relatively soft or flexible. Also there's a reservoir on the passenger side firewall that is supposed to be where you service or add coolant. It sucks, or empties when it gets hot and the coolant return as the engine cools. I had the hose and cap come off once and it created problems. It sucked air instead of coolant and when it cooled it spewed coolant on that side of the engine compartment. So you might want to check that hose, at both ends, and the cap. Hope that helps.
 

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Also, if your radiator is plastic the top it may have a crack in it. The radiator leaks from the crack, which is on the top of the radiator, only when the engine is running. So you won't see it statically. Mine had that and that's when I saw that the core is aluminum, but the sides are plastic...and they tend to crack over time. And when I priced an all aluminum of metal radiator it was $850. To put in the same one as I was replacing $135. I would have gone with the metal one but it would have taken two weeks to ship it out here, so I went with the $135 model as my Tahoe was my work everyday truck. Wouldn't leave home without it. Now I'm loving my Yukon as much as the Tahoe.
 
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One way to check to see if the water pump is functioning is to take the cap off and start it up. You should see the coolant moving inside or even the coolant coming out from the core. Another way is to squeeze the hose to see if they are firm. I believe the lower one should be pretty hard to squeeze if the pump is functioning as the top, the one that feeds the cores should be relatively soft or flexible. Also there's a reservoir on the passenger side firewall that is supposed to be where you service or add coolant. It sucks, or empties when it gets hot and the coolant return as the engine cools. I had the hose and cap come off once and it created problems. It sucked air instead of coolant and when it cooled it spewed coolant on that side of the engine compartment. So you might want to check that hose, at both ends, and the cap. Hope that helps.
Yep, we have done that and that is how I also filled up the coolant. I had the cap off, the funnel on, the Tahoe running and emptying in the coolant into it. It would burp out the air while going into the vehicle so I know it has to be circulating somewhere. I am going to flush the radiator and the heater core first and then move on to replacement of the radiator.
 

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ya I meant temperature sensor, seems like someone reported a overheat issue before because of the restrictor not being in place I was under the assumption that it could go either way depending on how much return was flowing back in, or maybe the hoses were on wrong or something.
The whole reason why they'll run cool without that restrictor, is that these engines run a 'reverse' thermostat. Instead of the tstat being on the output side of the water pump, it's on the inlet. Which means that the radiator is pressurized by the water pump the second the engine is turned on.

There's a bleed-tube on the top-pass side of the radiator that returns to the overflow tank. The end result being, there's always a little bit of coolant going through the radiator. Usually this is a net benefit - the system self bleeds, and does so very quickly. However if that restrictor is not in place, there will be more than a little coolant going through the radiator, wicking away more heat than was intended in the design. So no restrictor = too much flow through the self-bleed = too much flow through the radiator = cold

Now with that said... These systems are flippin' weird in that it uses the heater core lines to control the thermostat. So if your heater cores are clogged, or if you did a lazy bypass and just capped hoses - there won't be enough coolant going over the t-stat to appropriately regulate temperatures, and you'll get an overheat / hot condition even if everything else in the system works perfectly. This also goes for a partial clog. So if, for whatever reason, you wanted to bypass your heater core - you would loop a piece of hose around and just connect the waterpump to itself, NOT cap it off.
Thank you @SnowDrifter, I appreciate the tips. I did not fil it from the upper radiator hose but I can definitely try that.

I replaced the fan relays just in case the fans were not kicking on at the right time. They were $11 and a cheap fix if that could have been the issue. The fans do not come on until 230-235 degrees but seem to make no difference as the temp keeps on climbing.

I did not take the hose off of the water pump and spin it, I will get on that over the weekend or in the evenings if I have time this week.

Interior heat blows cold even at operating temp until I give it gas in idle or take it for a spin, and then it gets hot. However, if I don't step on the gas, the heat stops and the cool air comes back in.
Couple bits come to mind, in no particular order

1. If you get heat when revved, the water pump is spinning. It's not air locked.

2. Double check coolant level in your reservoir. Low coolant is the first thing I'd be looking at here. Especially if you get any gurgling / waterfall type sounds from under the dash.

3. Verify your belt isn't slipping. From a cold start - let it run for a minute or two. Turn the engine off. Then go ***** the pulleys. Are any of them warm/hot?

4. How's that water pump looking anyway? I've seen some realllll bad aftermarkets. Some have a raw pump with no vane guide. Those are lame. My favorite was one that didn't even have an impeller on it... oops....

5. You can try back flushing your heater core. Disconnect the hoses and put a garden hose on it. The port on the rear of the engine is the outlet to the heater, front is the inlet to the pump
 

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Like has been mentioned by several people here, it sure sounds like a clogged radiator but could also be a failed water pump not moving coolant. At that age I would replace the radiator and even the water pump, if pump is original. Did not see what you said about that. Cooling systems are finicky but also very important. I bet your new head gaskets are bad now for sure. I replaced both of mine recently before they went bad eventually.
 
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The whole reason why they'll run cool without that restrictor, is that these engines run a 'reverse' thermostat. Instead of the tstat being on the output side of the water pump, it's on the inlet. Which means that the radiator is pressurized by the water pump the second the engine is turned on.

There's a bleed-tube on the top-pass side of the radiator that returns to the overflow tank. The end result being, there's always a little bit of coolant going through the radiator. Usually this is a net benefit - the system self bleeds, and does so very quickly. However if that restrictor is not in place, there will be more than a little coolant going through the radiator, wicking away more heat than was intended in the design. So no restrictor = too much flow through the self-bleed = too much flow through the radiator = cold

Now with that said... These systems are flippin' weird in that it uses the heater core lines to control the thermostat. So if your heater cores are clogged, or if you did a lazy bypass and just capped hoses - there won't be enough coolant going over the t-stat to appropriately regulate temperatures, and you'll get an overheat / hot condition even if everything else in the system works perfectly. This also goes for a partial clog. So if, for whatever reason, you wanted to bypass your heater core - you would loop a piece of hose around and just connect the waterpump to itself, NOT cap it off.

Couple bits come to mind, in no particular order

1. If you get heat when revved, the water pump is spinning. It's not air locked.

2. Double check coolant level in your reservoir. Low coolant is the first thing I'd be looking at here. Especially if you get any gurgling / waterfall type sounds from under the dash.

3. Verify your belt isn't slipping. From a cold start - let it run for a minute or two. Turn the engine off. Then go ***** the pulleys. Are any of them warm/hot?

4. How's that water pump looking anyway? I've seen some realllll bad aftermarkets. Some have a raw pump with no vane guide. Those are lame. My favorite was one that didn't even have an impeller on it... oops....

5. You can try back flushing your heater core. Disconnect the hoses and put a garden hose on it. The port on the rear of the engine is the outlet to the heater, front is the inlet to the pump
Thanks for all of this @SnowDrifter. After this weekend I can say that the fluid is full, the water pump is good to go, no slipping of belts and I flushed the heater core. As of right now, it is working as it should but I will keep everyone up to date. I wouldn't have thought about doing that if it wasn't for everyone on the forum. You guys rock!
 

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Long time lurker and first time poster. Registered for an account tonight since I couldn't find an answer that I haven't already tried.

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I just did head gaskets, water pump, thermostat, every gasket that I could think of while in the motor, coolant flush, oil change, new belts, etc. Everything I would want a shop to do, I did it.

Everything ran great for the first 120 miles and then it started smoking. Replaced the faulty valve cover, which was the one with the outdated design, and that fixed the problem. Ran great the next 300 miles and then it started to overheat and read "coolant hot" so I shut her down and since I was a ways from home I got her towed.

Bled the system, replaced the thermostat again just in case and changed all of the fan relays as well. Idle stayed at 200-210 and then took it for a drive. Within 10 min, message popped up again that coolant was hot so I shut her down and waited til she was cold to drive her home since I was within a mile from the house.

Just replaced the thermostat again tonight with one that stays open in case of failure to cool the motor. Bled the system again and refilled to make sure there was no air bubbles. Started her up, idled for 25 min and all seemed to be good. I took her for a spin and within 2 miles it started to get higher in temps at about 250. Heater blew cold air for a little and then back to hot and then said "coolant hot" again.

I am at a loss with the rig. I am thinking maybe the brand new water pump went bad? Maybe its my fans (but they kick on as they should)? I honestly don't know.

Anybody have any thoughts on what it could be? I love the Tahoe but I am getting to the point to where I am almost ready to give it up.
Mike I'm a retired GM tech. First things first..why did you pull th heads?? You cannot reuse the head bolts!!! I use arp bolts now and use standard 3 step process for aluminum heads. Assuming you did that. You can tell if the tstat is open on most every car by feeding the upper hose.. if it's hot its open..now the fans are designed to come on at 230 off arround 190. Normal. Turn ac on and the fans should run with the compressor. Your hands can also feel the heater hoses for differences. I suspect if you idled for 25 min you had plenty of coolant. When its Overheating is the jar bubbling?? How hot did it get when you decided to do head gaskets? Was the engine missing? Lots of things to ck besides gaskets! You can dammage temp sensors by bad overheat. Its normal to replace them with tstat. I suspect head gasket problem with warped heads Idk. Your trying to fix the results without fixing the cause. Radiator clogged ? Same with heater core...good luck
 

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Long time lurker and first time poster. Registered for an account tonight since I couldn't find an answer that I haven't already tried.

Backstore:
2006 Tahoe Z71 with 5.3 flex fuel
232,*** miles

I just did head gaskets, water pump, thermostat, every gasket that I could think of while in the motor, coolant flush, oil change, new belts, etc. Everything I would want a shop to do, I did it.

Everything ran great for the first 120 miles and then it started smoking. Replaced the faulty valve cover, which was the one with the outdated design, and that fixed the problem. Ran great the next 300 miles and then it started to overheat and read "coolant hot" so I shut her down and since I was a ways from home I got her towed.

Bled the system, replaced the thermostat again just in case and changed all of the fan relays as well. Idle stayed at 200-210 and then took it for a drive. Within 10 min, message popped up again that coolant was hot so I shut her down and waited til she was cold to drive her home since I was within a mile from the house.

Just replaced the thermostat again tonight with one that stays open in case of failure to cool the motor. Bled the system again and refilled to make sure there was no air bubbles. Started her up, idled for 25 min and all seemed to be good. I took her for a spin and within 2 miles it started to get higher in temps at about 250. Heater blew cold air for a little and then back to hot and then said "coolant hot" again.

I am at a loss with the rig. I am thinking maybe the brand new water pump went bad? Maybe its my fans (but they kick on as they should)? I honestly don't know.

Anybody have any thoughts on what it could be? I love the Tahoe but I am getting to the point to where I am almost ready to give it up.
Are you seeing signs externally that it is overheating like steam or whatever? As another posted indicated, maybe a temp sensor?
 
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Thank you for all of your help everyone and sorry for the lengthy absence. It was running well and then... it didn't. I had to go out of town and dropped it off at the shop so they can look at it and come to find out, I needed a new radiator. That was the last thing on the list to replace as I marked stuff off of the list. As the shop was flushing the radiator, they stated that there were large chunks of debris in the radiator. All is good now, runs great and I am so thankful for all of your input to help me figure this out. All of you are truly awesome and I am glad I joined the community.
 
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Mike I'm a retired GM tech. First things first..why did you pull th heads?? You cannot reuse the head bolts!!! I use arp bolts now and use standard 3 step process for aluminum heads. Assuming you did that. You can tell if the tstat is open on most every car by feeding the upper hose.. if it's hot its open..now the fans are designed to come on at 230 off arround 190. Normal. Turn ac on and the fans should run with the compressor. Your hands can also feel the heater hoses for differences. I suspect if you idled for 25 min you had plenty of coolant. When its Overheating is the jar bubbling?? How hot did it get when you decided to do head gaskets? Was the engine missing? Lots of things to ck besides gaskets! You can dammage temp sensors by bad overheat. Its normal to replace them with tstat. I suspect head gasket problem with warped heads Idk. Your trying to fix the results without fixing the cause. Radiator clogged ? Same with heater core...good luck
Hey @robhotdog, thank you for your input! She is all fixed now :)
 

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Have you checked you under the hood fuse box for burnt ports? I replaced whole cooling fan relay fuse box cause I had a similar issue. Problem solved for me.
 

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