What? An EV Tahoe?

[Randy2876]

Electric Tahoe On The Horizon?
https://www.silveradoevforum.com/th...will-be-an-important-model-for-chevrolet.142/

 

[swathdiver]

Electric Tahoe On The Horizon?
https://www.silveradoevforum.com/th...will-be-an-important-model-for-chevrolet.142/

Of course. A giant short ranged commuter car, can only travel 4 hours a day traveling when new.

Have you heard? The F150 Lightning replacement batteries are $29K and $36K. How many LS engines and transmissions is that and over what period of time?

No thanks!

 

[drakon543]

after the waves the f150 ev caused when it failed terribly at being a truck its not surprising that article doesn't mention anything about range.

 

[Banks22]

That is just a chat forum and that drawing is a rendering by an artist, nothing from GM. I think the earliest you’d see an electric Tahoe/yukon would be 2026-27 cuz the current platform is scheduled thru 2026. My cousin who works for GM thinks you’ll see an ev escalade first tho of the 3 suvs.
But yea the real world EV experiences so far are not the greatest, basically if u only have to travel <60 miles a day to work and home and then plug it in every night then they r fine, long distance travel are def a no. But what’s funny is charging prices home and on road are coming out to be equal to our elevated gas prices $4-5/gallon.

 

[swathdiver]

Right, can you imagine that someone living in Atlanta could not drive the family straight into Orlando to see Mickey Mouse? They'd have to stop, probably overnight, to charge it up. That's 441 miles, most of us can do that without refueling and only a few potty breaks for the kids and to eat a meal or two. Now you have to throw in two more nights of hotels and food as well. And they tell me it's cheaper! LOL

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

The guys on TFL truck (you tube) have been testing the Lightning and the Hummer EV in real world situations, and even have a 6 part video series on driving the Lightning to Purdhoe Bay, AK. The vids are unbiased and show the true capabilities.

They managed a 135 mile round trip with the EV Hummer towing a 7000lb camper trailer up the IKE gauntlet. They have shown that current charging capabilities are somewhat painful, etc. I’d encourage anyone to watch them and form their own opinion.

I tell people when the day I’ll consider an electric truck:
1) when purchasining and total cost of ownership is on par with my current Yukon
2) when I can hook my boat on in SE Minnesota, drive to my favorite fishing hole in Ontario in 9 hours (which is what this 480 mile trip takes today)
3) Be able to return (since the nearest city where a charger might be is 70 miles from the camp, and the whole camp runs on a 500 kW CAT Diesel Generator out back).

Tech does not support 1-3 yet. Might it get there? We’ll see.

Until then, I’ll let my own under hood engine do the conversion of dinosaur power to motion instead of relying on the power company to first turn it into electrical energy…

 

[B-train]

The EV thing is a joke. It makes sense in bikes (I own 3 e-bikes and they are cheap, fun transportation). It makes sense for some smaller cars to bebop around town or for short commutes. Trying to move a 6000 - 9000 lb brick through the air makes ZERO sense to me. Even the whole EV semi thing is ludicrous to me other than maybe as a yard dog to move trailers at 10 mph.

There was a cool video on the news a few years back that showed an inventor of a battery that was COMPLETELY recyclable, cheap to build, provided good output, and would recharge a bazillion times before it needed to be serviced / and or replaced. I think he was British. It was a really informative video........I guess too good, and I'm assuming some company with stock in lithium probably bought the patent and locked it away because I haven't seen anything on it since.

I'll do electric when it actually makes sense financially and ethically.

 

[garymyman]

Right, can you imagine that someone living in Atlanta could not drive the family straight into Orlando to see Mickey Mouse? They'd have to stop, probably overnight, to charge it up. That's 441 miles, most of us can do that without refueling and only a few potty breaks for the kids and to eat a meal or two. Now you have to throw in two more nights of hotels and food as well. And they tell me it's cheaper! LOL

This is absurd. In reality you'd stop in Valdosta - about the midway point - charge for 30-40 minutes at the Electrify America station in the Walmart parking lot, walk around the store and buy snacks for your trip. Or eat lunch at the Cajun Wild Crab next door. It would cost you about $4.80 to add 200 miles of range to your vehicle (if you're an EA member for $4/month). Once at Disney you'd find a Level 2 charger at your hotel and charge up for free for the return trip.

Charging infrastructure is lacking right now, but it's improving every day. Once the big truck stop brands realize how much they can profit by sticking charging stations in their parking lots, range anxiety will be a thing of the past. Allegedly Tesla's Supercharging network will be opened to other manufacturers soon - I'm not holding my breath on that one but it will cause demand to increase even faster.

For those who say "But I can't tow my horse trailer from Detroit to San Diego in one day like I can with my Yukon!" Well... it's not for you, then. No big deal.

 

[swathdiver]

This is absurd. In reality you'd stop in Valdosta - about the midway point - charge for 30-40 minutes at the Electrify America station in the Walmart parking lot...

Watching the TFL guys, it seems to take longer than that, especially with the bigger vehicles like the Hummer or Lightning. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm all for tech and against scams.

 

[gooffeyguy]

When charging becomes as quick and convenient as stopping to get gas is now, then I might consider an EV.

Pulling into a charging station and plugging in for 5 minutes to fully charge would be just like stopping to get gas, except for needing to do it twice as often.

Oh, and I got this email from GM last week. Available spring of 2024

 

[Banks22]

This is absurd. In reality you'd stop in Valdosta - about the midway point - charge for 30-40 minutes at the Electrify America station in the Walmart parking lot, walk around the store and buy snacks for your trip. Or eat lunch at the Cajun Wild Crab next door. It would cost you about $4.80 to add 200 miles of range to your vehicle (if you're an EA member for $4/month). Once at Disney you'd find a Level 2 charger at your hotel and charge up for free for the return trip.

Charging infrastructure is lacking right now, but it's improving every day. Once the big truck stop brands realize how much they can profit by sticking charging stations in their parking lots, range anxiety will be a thing of the past. Allegedly Tesla's Supercharging network will be opened to other manufacturers soon - I'm not holding my breath on that one but it will cause demand to increase even faster.

For those who say "But I can't tow my horse trailer from Detroit to San Diego in one day like I can with my Yukon!" Well... it's not for you, then. No big deal.

So pickup truck plus suv talk on YouTube just did a real world drive with his lightning and he stopped at Walmart’s to charge and he got on average 100 miles of range in 30-40 minutes and it was costing him $20-$25 for that range. Not very good mileage for $. And his range on the lightning was not the greatest cuz it re calculates for hills and weather conditions and he was losing range faster than actual mileage.

 

[jforb]

Since most people who buy a Tahoe just use it to haul the kids to soccer practice, or to drive to work, they'll probably sell a bunch of them, and customers will be happy with them.

We could use an EV for most of our driving, but not for hauling a car trailer or travel trailer across several states in a couple days. But we're not most people, either.

pretty interesting reading the reactions of folks who despise EVs without knowing much at all about them. But that's normal human nature, I suppose.

btw, they've come a long ways in a few short years. You might be surprised.

 

[Sparksalot]

Will the digital dash tell me which cactus or pine tree i can plug into for a recharge while off grid?

 

[Doubeleive]

just wait a bit until the electic's become more mainstream and the lines at the charging stations start to get longer and the people living in the cities have to run extension cords out to there apartment parking spot which might be a couple hundred feet away or more because you will have to charge it from home because the line at the charger will be ludicrous in the morning. that's just reality not ev hate or anything, we don't have the infrastructure and getting it will take decades.
do you really think some slumlord apt owning LLC is going to dump millions into putting chargers on there limited acreage? short answer "maybe" if the government coughed up some money and gave it to them. Then your gonna have to fight for the limited charging spots that they do put in.
I think it's just a matter of time until this all becomes a stark reality.

 

[DmaxDenaliXL]

I don't see full electric getting my attention until a next gen battery is utilized. Range, especially with respect to towing, is the main detractor for me. I'd be all over a plug in hybrid with ~75 miles of on board electric range and the 3.0L diesel coupled to a generator to keep batteries topped up and motors humming when range is exceeded or towing. Tune the engine to run at a fixed RPM that has been optimized for efficiency.

I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, please.

 

[Banks22]

Will the digital dash tell me which cactus or pine tree i can plug into for a recharge while off grid?

Have u not seen the jeep commercials with the charging stations in the middle of the desert? They just come up out of the ground wherever you are and magically provide electricity derived from fossil fuels!

 

[swathdiver]

Imagine the folks in the Bronx or Manhattan, getting up at 5am to move their car to the other side of the street and lose their charging station or someone unplugged their car and charged their own up on their dime overnight.

Think of all the fires from overloaded circuits and indoor extension cords strung together for 200 feet so some apartment dweller can charge their car from their 2nd floor apartment. Fire Departments are going to need a lot more AFFF, oh wait, they banned that because it might cause cancer in mice who consume 300 pounds of it.

 

[garymyman]

Watching the TFL guys, it seems to take longer than that, especially with the bigger vehicles like the Hummer or Lightning. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm all for tech and against scams.

It certainly can take longer than that. My scenario of 30-40 minutes assumes the fast chargers are working at optimal levels. Which is not a given! Electrify America is the dominant charging network at the moment, besides Tesla, and they are plagued by broken chargers & slower-than-advertised rates. Again, I think the charging network issues will be solved by the market & healthy government subsidies. Just like farming.

The benchmark vehicle in my prior scenario is the Rivian - good time to mention I have ordered their SUV - which is more efficent than the Hummer but on par with the Lightning - both pretty awful by EV standards. For instance, a Tesla can add 200 miles in 15 minutes. Barely enough time to pee and pick out snacks.

 

[WalleyeMikeIII]

It certainly can take longer than that. My scenario of 30-40 minutes assumes the fast chargers are working at optimal levels. Which is not a given! Electrify America is the dominant charging network at the moment, besides Tesla, and they are plagued by broken chargers & slower-than-advertised rates. Again, I think the charging network issues will be solved by the market & healthy government subsidies. Just like farming.

The benchmark vehicle in my prior scenario is the Rivian - good time to mention I have ordered their SUV - which is more efficent than the Hummer but on par with the Lightning - both pretty awful by EV standards. For instance, a Tesla can add 200 miles in 15 minutes. Barely enough time to pee and pick out snacks.

The whole infrastructure is the critical piece...and I don't just mean chargers.

To get the volume of vehicle miles transferred from gas to electric, my buddy and I estimate that the whole fleet will need the whole grid for 5.5-11 hours a day, depending on the efficiency you estimate for converting energy to motion. (Math for this in post #167 of this thread)

Net, currently not enough electrical generating capacity in the USA to convert all the energy burned in gasoline to electricity....and you rarely see or hear about this being discussed. Add to this that nobody will let you build a nuclear plant, and most of that power is going to have to be generated by dino fuel (coal, natural gas) because solar and wind aren't going to do it. This is the sin in all of it..

I like this vid from scotty on TCO as well:

 

[Craigy]

I would love a plug-in-hybrid Tahoe or Suburban. I only need about 30 miles of electric range. But I wouldn't be willing to pay much more for it.

As said above an EV-only isn't going to work for trips. Taking family to a "charging station" is out of the question.

I have a feeling they will be trying to sell an EV Tahoe for $90k++ like the lightning but I guess we'll see.