The New V8 Engines are coming!

[BacDoc]

New gen of V8s is great but would really love to see these big V8s with a hybrid system integrated for better MPGs. 25mpg should be possible in today’s world…

I really want to see more plug-in hybrids. Most ppl don’t have commutes >30miles. Doing the whole thing on battery or even half of it would be ideal.

There are hybrid options for those who want them but even Toyota who produces arguably the best hybrid vehicles can’t make a big truck/SUV that has the cargo room of a Tahoe or Yukon.

Fuel economy on a Sequoia is pretty piss poor for a hybrid and not any better than my Tahoe 6.2l V8.
Plus if fuel economy is a priority then you are not the target consumer of large body on frame trucks.

 

[BacDoc]

If built right they are not. Look at Toyota: 10yr old Prius with 300k miles are still kicking and have crazy values.

Watch RichRebuild on YouTube, he just worked over a 300k mile Prius from a junkyard for <$2k.

The Prius is great for what it is but it is definitely not a body on frame truck that can haul a family with a few kids and dog towing a boat to a destination 500 miles away.

I don’t have kids but I need a vehicle to carry my wife, Labrador retriever, luggage and a couple surfboards, kitesurfing and windsurfing gear 500 miles from Florida to the outer banks of North Carolina.
Plus I haul a 6500lb boat and trailer.

This is not an unusual or uncommon payload for someone looking for a big truck.

I am not even going to mention the sound factor but just starting a truck with a V8 is something that is extremely appealing to buyers in this segment!

 

[Bigburb3500]

The Prius is great for what it is but it is definitely not a body on frame truck that can haul a family with a few kids and dog towing a boat to a destination 500 miles away.

I don’t have kids but I need a vehicle to carry my wife, Labrador retriever, luggage and a couple surfboards, kitesurfing and windsurfing gear 500 miles from Florida to the outer banks of North Carolina.
Plus I haul a 6500lb boat and trailer.

This is not an unusual or uncommon payload for someone looking for a big truck.

I am not even going to mention the sound factor but just starting a truck with a V8 is something that is extremely appealing to buyers in this segment!

You don’t have to sell me on the V8 or the capabilities haha! I’ve got the Suburban 3500 because I have kids, 140 lb dog, and tow a boat. I exceed or get close to max payload of a normal Suburban/Yukon on every trip I go on haha! I didn’t go with the Sequoia because of the 3rd row. They did not do a good job with the packaging and the hybrid is not a game changer for MPG. The thing is quick tho. It has some crazy pickup with the turbos.
I am simply saying that I am surprised that these vehicles have not been hybrid-ized to make them both efficient AND capable. The tech and components are there and GM even has the hardware.

 

[B-train]

I'm very fond of and partial to American V8s too, but what have you against Buick's 3.8L? What about Buick's Turbo 231?

Bring back the 3800!! Best V6 ever made.

 

[tom3]

Bring back the 3800!! Best V6 ever made.

For sure. The Mopar slant six, AMC/Jeep 258, and that 3800 were probably the top low buck reliable engines every built.

 

[swathdiver]

We have a Lexus hybrid and with nearly 200k on it the battery is still fine (2012). I think my scanner says battery life is still 40%.

I also will admit the YouTube ppl make things overly simple but even the Tahoe/Escky hybrid uses Toyota style cells and are rebuildable. I would replace the battery pack in the Lexus with a re-conditioned one for a $3-4K. No different that the 6L80/90, 8L80/90 transmissions in the GM trucks. Similar price to fix/replace and the trucks take a similar hit on value when they fail. The battery packs actually look easier… idk. I think there are enough vehicle to show the technology is solid for 10-15yrs.
Again, NYC cabs are Prius, Escape Hybrids, and Siennas. They replaced the Crown Vic for a reason.

One of the guys on here, @RebelBelle showed me his rebuilt cells for his two hybrids a few years ago, a Tahoe and Escalade. Pretty cool tech. It was neat hooking the Tech-2 up to them to check on the health of the new cells.

The three people I know with Prius' were all women without the ability or means to do that kind of work. They traded them in for ICE cars.

 

[homesick]

For sure. The Mopar slant six, AMC/Jeep 258, and that 3800 were probably the top low buck reliable engines every built.

I think Chevy's straight 6 would make that list. There's a picture of one in the dictionary, under "bulletproof".

I think that straight 6s, in general, are pretty rugged.

joe

 

[Bigburb3500]

One of the guys on here, @RebelBelle showed me his rebuilt cells for his two hybrids a few years ago, a Tahoe and Escalade. Pretty cool tech. It was neat hooking the Tech-2 up to them to check on the health of the new cells.

The three people I know with Prius' were all women without the ability or means to do that kind of work. They traded them in for ICE cars.

The technology is really cool. Everything people complain about with start/stop is nearly eliminated with hybrid tech. The vehicles are way quieter and around town are just pleasant to drive.

Biggest issue with Prius-i (plural?) are their size. But it sounds like your friends ran the cars for a long time. Average lifespan is 200k miles and10-15yrs old (citation below). Not many people in general fix 200k mile vehicles. Compound it with a lower price pointed vehicle. Even on this site we see plenty of people asking for suggestions on vehicles with trans/engine rebuilds looming that get new vehicles instead.

Prius Frequently Asked Questions - TLS Motorworks

How long will my hybrid battery last? Most Toyota Prius hybrid batteries will last between 8-10 years and/or 100,000-150,000 miles. Contrary to ...

www.tlsmotorworks.com

 

[2024 White Tahoe]

I think Chevy's straight 6 would make that list. There's a picture of one in the dictionary, under "bulletproof".

I think that straight 6s, in general, are pretty rugged.

joe

You post brought back memories.

My first car at age 16 was a 1965 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu 2-door with the 230 CID straight-six engine.

My son still has a 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon that he bought new and it has the bulletproof 4.0 L straight-six engine.

 

[fozzi58]

Although I'm thrilled to see a large investment in a V8 gasoline engine platform (instead of abandoning it), I'm keeping the champagne chilled until we learn details about DFM, EGR, ASS.

There's a video floating around IG and TT explaining how the new system works. They seem to think it will be less problematic than the lifters cause the actuation is in the rocker arms themselves. Obviously time will tell....

I think Chevy's straight 6 would make that list. There's a picture of one in the dictionary, under "bulletproof".

I think that straight 6s, in general, are pretty rugged.

joe

The 4.2 straight six that was in the Trailblazers and Envoys is being called the American 2Jz. I keep seeing these motors get built with 4 digit horsepower numbers and a stock bottom end with 100k+ I think they flew under the radar in terms of quality and longevity cause everything else around those trucks went to ****. But yeah, the slant-6 but indestructible as was the ford 301? and GMs straight six. We literally pee'd in my friends 72 nova to get home cause we were so broke one time.


If anyone is interested in seeing a real hybrid in action, check out Edison Motors. Been following these guys for 4-5 years. They are building a diesel electric hybrid for large trucks (think Peterbilt) and using the same concepts as locomotives have since the 50's. I can't see why there aren't more hybrids on the road when you can easily use a 1.2liter gasser or diesel to charge onboard batteries that drive electric motors.

The engine acts as a generator, sitting at its most efficient RPM consistently, and letting the electric motors do the work. No need to couple the motor to the transmission and add extra complications. Engine charges batteries, batteries drive electric motors, and you get gas just like you do in a conventional ICE auto. They've been doing it with freight trains for over half a century, why not with basic commuter cars.

 

[hagar]

LOL! People asking for a hybrid, when gm can't even make their engines reliable these days.
Maybe start by figuring out how to build an engine that can last again, then go from there.

 

[the 18th letter]

The Prius is great for what it is but it is definitely not a body on frame truck that can haul a family with a few kids and dog towing a boat to a destination 500 miles away.

I don’t have kids but I need a vehicle to carry my wife, Labrador retriever, luggage and a couple surfboards, kitesurfing and windsurfing gear 500 miles from Florida to the outer banks of North Carolina.
Plus I haul a 6500lb boat and trailer.

This is not an unusual or uncommon payload for someone looking for a big truck.

I am not even going to mention the sound factor but just starting a truck with a V8 is something that is extremely appealing to buyers in this segment!

I think the majority of these SUV owners are towing anything other than people.

 

[daniellsonn]

I’ve been looking for a used hybrid gmt900. I know someone who at close to 200k with maintenance other than the battery. He gets close to 20 mpg city driving in a 14 Escalade. I’m ready for a non plug in hybrid vehicle.

2012 ppv 115k runs n drives great, it was vinyl wrapped, then the wrap was removed, have new
White vinyl for it.
If interested send for pics....

 

[Too_L8T]

New gen of V8s is great but would really love to see these big V8s with a hybrid system integrated for better MPGs. 25mpg should be possible in today’s world…

I really want to see more plug-in hybrids. Most ppl don’t have commutes >30miles. Doing the whole thing on battery or even half of it would be ideal.

if i ever buy a vehicle that has to whirr or ding when i'm pulling into a parking spot just shoot me in the head

 

[BacDoc]

I think the majority of these SUV owners are towing anything other than people.

Yep!
People and soccer, volleyball, basketball and football teams lol!
Kids now a days get chauffeured around in luxury.
When I was a kid you piled up in the back of a station wagon or truck bed without seatbelts, entertainment systems or even cup holders yikes!
Our parents specialized in cruelty at the expense of safety lol!

It’s a miracle any of us survived but our parents never ever worried about “Loss of Propulsion!”

 

[RST Dana]

Bigger the better but they have these small blocks making tremendous HP.

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Stuffed one into a 66 Chevy II Yes it was tight, but fun!

 

[Bigburb3500]

Yep!
People and soccer, volleyball, basketball and football teams lol!
Kids now a days get chauffeured around in luxury.
When I was a kid you piled up in the back of a station wagon or truck bed without seatbelts, entertainment systems or even cup holders yikes!
Our parents specialized in cruelty at the expense of safety lol!

It’s a miracle any of us survived but our parents never ever worried about “Loss of Propulsion!”

I have grandparents who look at the car seats and booster seats for my kids and they say “Wow… and to think I just let your dad/mom play in the back of our stationwagon…”

 

[Bigburb3500]

if i ever buy a vehicle that has to whirr or ding when i'm pulling into a parking spot just shoot me in the head

And your K2 doesn’t ding…?

 

[ducfan]

I know that hybrids are all the rage now, I don't want one if I am going to have one long term. You now have twice the complexity of 2 powertrains.

100%. My opinion, for what it is worth, is that a hybrid is a poor EV, since the electric range is only 10% to 20% that of a full EV. The ICE component is severely compromised, in that you're carrying around a fat battery that has an awful electric range, and the exponentially greater number of starts / stops will greatly degrade engine life. The start / stop feature causes premature failures on starters, lowers life expectancy of the ICE's battery, and potentially starves the rod bearings of oil. No thank you.

If I want an electric, I'll go full EV. If not, full ICE for me.

 

[Bigburb3500]

100%. My opinion, for what it is worth, is that a hybrid is a poor EV, since the electric range is only 10% to 20% that of a full EV. The ICE component is severely compromised, in that you're carrying around a fat battery that has an awful electric range, and the exponentially greater number of starts / stops will greatly degrade engine life. The start / stop feature causes premature failures on starters, lowers life expectancy of the ICE's battery, and potentially starves the rod bearings of oil. No thank you.

If I want an electric, I'll go full EV. If not, full ICE for me.

I think this might have some validity if we look at ICE cars that have “forced” hybrid system into them but Toyota, GM (Volt & ELR), and Ford have shown hybrids increase efficiency of the vehicles with none of the issue you mentioned. The starters have not been shown to be common early failure points and rod bearing are failure points on GM ice vehicles…

Not sure I follow on this one as the benefit of a hybrid is you don’t have to adopt another “fueling” infrastructure.

I’m not here to debate hybrids vs ICE vs EVs… I guess I was just initially saying big vehicles could be more efficient with modern hybrid systems while increasing performance and I’m surprised more manufactures haven’t done it.